It was discussed on the Sunday Game last night that it took around 8 minutes in total for all of his frees, not starting an anti dublin thread but just wondering what the general view is of this?

kildareman_dave (Kildare) - Posts: 111 - 15/07/2013 10:57:19    1431789

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It was discussed on the Sunday Game last night that it took around 8 minutes in total for all of his frees, not starting an anti dublin thread but just wondering what the general view is of this?

No mentions the timings of Newmans 13 minutes spent on frees? Kevin McStay never rejects an opportunity to put the boot in. Brolly lauds Morgan as goalkeeper kicking points and McStay looks to bring unwelcome attention to Cluxton. And don't worry about this been an Anti-Dub thread, give it a couple of threads and it will.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 15/07/2013 11:02:16    1431792

I agree it takes a while, but you can't blame Cluxton because the second we get a free he is already running up to take it, and he then obviously has to compose himself (it doesn't help when Meath lads are getting in your way either). The ref should simply keep track of the time it takes and add some extra on at the end.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 15/07/2013 11:02:20    1431793

mcstay will do anything to try get at dublin,yet somehow he still gets to right a column in the evening herald.
the cavan keeper kicks them,the limerick keeper kicks them,the tyrone keeper kicks them,the kerry keeper kicks them but yet its only cluxton he picks out.
also he never pointed out the sledging by the meath player running alongside cluxton as he goes up to take them frees in his face trying to put him off.very one sided analysis on the matter

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:03:03    1431797

also one of them frees resulted in a big melee in the middle of the park which lasted at least 3 or 4 minutes to sort out so i didnt see him point that out in the 8 minutes

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:04:09    1431799

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It was discussed on the Sunday Game last night that it took around 8 minutes in total for all of his frees, not starting an anti dublin thread but just wondering what the general view is of this?

No mentions the timings of Newmans 13 minutes spent on frees?

But Newman took more.
His average (As per SG) was about 38 seconds where as Cluxton was 1.04 or something like that.

I dont think its anything to even do with the distance Cluxton has to travel because as mentioned, he's half way up before being called, but I think that he seems quite slow from the time he arrives and sets up, steadies and then kicks, but that will be just down to his routine, not his position.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 11:07:33    1431806

It's not just goalies who are taking too long, it's the outfield players as well! I feel this is one of the areas referees need to get stricter on. It's a problem hurling doesn't seem to have at all. As soon as a hurler places the sliotar on the ground, he has it struck within 10 seconds. A footballer is more like 25. Similarly for kick outs/puck outs, huling takes way less time between end of one play and start of next one.

If we want to seriously tackle the issue (as opposed to just pay lip service), I'd recommend referees adopt the following approach.

(1) Let the first time-delaying incident go without warning
(2) Issue a warning but allow free/kick-out to be taken as normal
(3) Where a free had been awarded, throw it in instead. For goal-kicks, throw the ball in on defensive team's 20 yard line. This will be especially penal to teams who've had a chance to score a point from a free but their free-taker is taking all day!

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 15/07/2013 11:09:06    1431808

No problem with the length of time it takes any keeper to come up and kick a 45 or free as long as the time is added at the end or the time keeping is taken away from the ref altogether.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 15/07/2013 11:09:17    1431809

In fairness to mcstay, he was probably assigned the task of timing them as opposed to it being his own doing as part of some one-man crusade.

There does need to be some consistancy though. Cillian O'Connor was penalised for taking something like 45 odd seconds, and in fairness to the guy, he wasnt timewasting at all, while in the same game, donal shine took longer than o'connor did and the free went ahead. It isnt cluxton's fault that it takes such a long time, but I dont think the opposition should be getting punished for the free taker needing to run the length of the pitch every time a free is given either.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/07/2013 11:14:09    1431821

this is nothing new players like charlie redmond,colm corkery and brian stafford i have no doubt took far longer to take frees but nobody complained

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:17:12    1431825

No one can blame Cluxton or Dublin, he is our best long distance free taker and he takes them quite swiftly for a guy who has to run almost 3/4s of the pitch to take it, he obviously then has to catch his breath and compose himself. If anyone is at fault it is the ref for not adding on time.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 15/07/2013 11:17:29    1431828

McStay was pointing out a fact .. You cant deny that's a lot of time.

Others will now turn this into an anti dub thread but sure let them.

Micky Newman is an outfield player .. a forward in fact and his frees took a combined 13 mins but sure we wont mention that.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 15/07/2013 11:17:47    1431830

Absolutely worthless piece of analysis by the lads on the Sunday Game. I hope they go to the bother now of monitoring all teams and the time that is taken out of games not just by slow free taking but players deliberately winding down the clock.
Its up to the referee to add the necessary injury time where he sees time is wasted, not the playing teams fault if the referee doesn't do his due dilligence in time keeping

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 15/07/2013 11:24:11    1431849

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In fairness to mcstay, he was probably assigned the task of timing them as opposed to it being his own doing as part of some one-man crusade.

There does need to be some consistancy though. Cillian O'Connor was penalised for taking something like 45 odd seconds, and in fairness to the guy, he wasnt timewasting at all, while in the same game, donal shine took longer than o'connor did and the free went ahead. It isnt cluxton's fault that it takes such a long time, but I dont think the opposition should be getting punished for the free taker needing to run the length of the pitch every time a free is given either.

I'd say when the assignments where been handed out his hand went up first.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 15/07/2013 11:30:42    1431868

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McStay was pointing out a fact .. You cant deny that's a lot of time.

Others will now turn this into an anti dub thread but sure let them.

Micky Newman is an outfield player .. a forward in fact and his frees took a combined 13 mins but sure we wont mention that.


As I posted above Waynoi, Newman took more, thats why the combined total was higher.

The averages show that Newmans were about 25-30 seconds quicker per free... but sure we wont mention that...

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 11:36:06    1431875

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McStay was pointing out a fact .. You cant deny that's a lot of time.

but he failed to mention that while cluxton was making his way up a meath player was in his face sledging
also he said 8 minutes it took for the 7 frees yet never pointed out that for one of them frees there was a melee lasting around 3 minutes

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:38:28    1431879

Jinxie

newman didnt have a dublin player in his face whie making his way to the free!!!
also newman didnt hve amelee happen while he was waiting to take a free

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:40:19    1431885

I'd say they subtracted the time of the melee Hill16 because that probably took 10 minutes on its own.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 15/07/2013 11:41:18    1431889

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Jinxie

newman didnt have a dublin player in his face whie making his way to the free!!!
also newman didnt hve amelee happen while he was waiting to take a free


Hill,

All Im pointing out is the averages. In fairness to Newman, for 2 of the frees he took there were stopages too, one injury and one booking.

But incase your taking me up wrong, Im not complaining about Cluxton, never criticiesed him once, just putting the 13 mins for Newman into perspective as when its thrown out like that I can be made to look like its something more than it was.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 11:43:54    1431900

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I'd say they subtracted the time of the melee Hill16 because that probably took 10 minutes on its own.

he never mentioned it though if he did subtract it,thats my point its very one sided analysis
surely he should be pointing out that the sledging cluxton had to take when going up

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 11:44:07    1431901