Clubgaa
County: Limerick
Posts: 573

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Bigdong, you must surely know by now that the RTE hurling analysts never see anything wrong with any hurler or any aspect of the game.

Clubgaa,i,and any wexford supporter you ask,after Michael Duignan's comments a few weeks ago,would completely disagree with that.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 15/07/2013 17:09:32    1432661

Clubgaa you've obviously never heard Donal Og analyse Kilkenny?

Without sticking up for this Bigdog fella, if we are going to send off people based on rule '5.2 to attempt to strike or to strike an opponent with the hurley' then there should be 10 sendings off a game. How many times do we see hurleys broken off lads arms and legs, butt of the hurl into the ribs and so on and yellow cards given?

We've all seen it and watched it over and over and no one is going to convince me that that incident would ever cause an injury or be even classed as a strike. It was a tap on the back of the head at worst.

Definition of strike: Hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand or a weapon or other implement.

Now that comes from the dictionary.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 15/07/2013 17:10:14    1432668

Just looked at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKRwT_4LXjA

Nowhere near the ball and while it might not have been a huge amount of force, what other team sport (boxing/martial arts apart) would allow one opponent strike the other with a stick into the head?

The issue is not the amount of force, it is the intentional striking action that hit the Limerick player into the back of the head. As I said earlier a Limerick player did the same thing later in the game & was lucky to not even get a yellow. Hitting players into the head like this should not be tolerated.

Pat Horgan is a good hurler & is not dirty but will learn from this & go on to better things. Good luck to him, he is mot malicious.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 15/07/2013 18:42:27    1432810

slayer was saying earlier that he fears for Cork. I know that to the victor goes the spoils but imo there was not much between the teams. Please remember the game was played in Limerick which had to be worth 3 or 4 points to the home team. Cork were short Brian Murphy & Paudie O'Sullivan and we also have 3 good hurlers presently opting solely for football. Cork were the better team 1st half but were extremely wasteful in their shooting they should and could have been 4 or 5 points ahead at the interval. They did play the 2nd half with 14 men and with less then 10 mins left Jamie Coughlan missed an easy free to cut the gap to 1 point. OK after that miss there was only one team and we were blitzed in last 10 mins. I genuinely feel we are not that far off the pace, hopefully we will have Brian & Paudie back next year ,one or two more finds and we will be a match for anybody.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 15/07/2013 18:52:16    1432824

The issue is not the amount of force. it is the intentional striking action that hit the Limerick player into the back of the head. As I said earlier a Limerick player did the same thing later in the game & was lucky to not even get a yellow. Hitting players into the head like this should not be tolerated. Slayer.... I have extracted the above paragraph from your last post,your words.. Read your second sentence again..you are now stating that Horgan intentially struck the limerick player???????....Cmon now slayer my simple friend,give it up..you have made a booboo with that statement and well you know it..Behave!!!!!

Bigdong (UK) - Posts: 66 - 15/07/2013 19:51:07    1432888

as I said limerick were worthy winners and corkcelt is right 2 points in it with 10mins to go when limerick took over but I wonder if pat horgan was on the reciving end of this slight tap to the head instead of giving the limerick guy a slight tap to the head would the limerick lads be whistling a different tune,unless you are from cork the whole country wanted to see limerick win and before people say cork hurling in a bad way I wonder what would have happened if there it was 15/14 in corks favour but we will never know,never a sending off every man and his dog knows that

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 15/07/2013 20:51:28    1432961

Everybody here agrees that it was not a malicious strike. Everybody here knows that striking a player in the head is not allowed. Everybody here also knows that other players get away with it. Everybody here is frustrated with inconsistent refereeing. Everybody knows that referees do not have the benefit of seeing something twice. He made his decision and that is that. Everybody knows that it cannot be overturned. We can all see why he might have sent him off. That is that.

I don't think Limerick are a million miles ahead of Cork. It might have been different if we had 15. We will never know that. slayer has a point about the level of intensity in Cork's play. The simple fact is that we do not win tight intense championship games. Besides a poor quarter final against Waterford last year, the last time I think we won a game was against Galway in 2008 (when we also had 14 players-it was not an excuse then). The reality is we were in that game with seven minutes to go and then we were blown away (the heat is not an excuse either-the heat affected both teams and we are very fit). Limerick upped it and we could not live with them. The skill levels of players like Luke O Farrell and Conor Lehane are as good as any in the country. However, we do not see enough of them in these type of games. JBM and co must come with something for the next game so that these guys are on the ball a lot. whatever that is, it cannot be tossing the ball 50/50 between Jackie Tyrell and Conor Lehane and hope the latter wins it.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/07/2013 21:26:55    1432995

Bennybunny some fair points there buddy but I really think that McCarthy and Lehanne should be dropped don't get me wrong I think lehanne is one of the most gifted players we have had since tony o Sullivan I rate him that highly but he is not doing the business and if we are in with a chance against kk with 20 mins to go then spring him as for McCarthy the less said the better really don't think he is a county hurler I would play naughton and Jamie Coughlan but that is only a personal opinion

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 15/07/2013 21:41:01    1433011

Monkstown

I agree with everything you said there. I think we have no choice but to pick Lehane. For example, assuming we do not then your six forwards I assume are going to be:(not necessarily in these numbers)

10. Naughton
11. Cronin
12. Harnedy
13. Moylan
14 O'Farrell
15. Coughlan

That leaves us extremely light on the bench. I agree with everything you said re McCarthy (and his clubmate who also sauntered on to the field yesterday). with Horgan and Paudie Sull out, we have very little on the bench.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/07/2013 21:56:57    1433033

Message to 'Banner boy' re Monday thread

If you read back on my original message I said that the sending off was harsh but correct by the letter of the law. If the rule book is there it should be implemented. Otherwise it should be removed or rewritten and we can use the Sunday Game standard of a la carte populist refereeing.

As a referee and official I am well familiar with the Playing Rules booklets and the Official guide. None of them mention common sense or intent. The diciplinary process is about implementing rules as I know from having been involved. Striking with a hurley is a red card and 4 weeks suspension. Those are the facts, whether you like them or not - not the rumour and inuendo you deal in.

Re Colin Lynch episode the same applies. You say Loughnane was promised at a hearing that he would get off. I have sat on hearings and I know they dont work that way. The case is heard and the comittee retires to make a decision behind closed doors. As for your own case, I wonder what facts you are dealing with - I would hazard a guess there is anopther conspiricy theory going on there.

I dont realy care whether you believe me that I played inter county hurling - I dont have to prove anything to anyone. I would have more respect for your opinions if you did not resort to personal abuse. Calling someone a slow learner when they have made a strong fact based argument is not very nice. I will not descend to that level.

mr3see (Monaghan) - Posts: 34 - 16/07/2013 09:58:42    1433091

People disagree on the sending off & we have all had our say so I agree to disagree.

Bennybunny & Corkcelt - I definitely am not suggesting we are miles ahead of ye, I just think we are playing at a higher tempo. Don't get me wrong here - it's absolutely massive to beat Cork, Kilkenny or Tipperary in a Munster or All-Ireland final so to do so is something I am immensely proud of. We had not met Cork for 21 years in a Munster final & memories of the pasting we took in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in 92 still hurt sports wise.

I fully accept the players Cork are missing has hurt you. O'Sullivan to me is the biggest loss as for a relatively small chap his aggression is huge. Comparing Cork present to the team of 2003, I don't see anyone with Corcoran's tenacity & willingness to get hurt. You are also missing forwards of the running force of the O'Connors. And without a doubt there is no presence on the side like Diarmuid O'Sullivan who scored points from inside his own 40 v Limerick in 2001 and 2002. A beast of a man.

All this said above, if we ended up facing ye in championship again this year I'd be wary. In 2004 Cork showed they were masters at learning from a defeat and although I make Kilkenny favourites for the game it would not surprise me to see the Rebels beat them.

For now, I am just delighted to have beaten ye - it does not happen too often.

Slayer.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 16/07/2013 12:44:09    1433326

Thanks Pinkie

miketyson (Limerick) - Posts: 2748 - 18/07/2013 21:24:07    1435654

15/07/2013 11:38:54
banner_boy
County: Clare
Posts: 1191

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Horgan red card will definitely be rescinded, don't worry about that. Ridiculous decision that referees committee know was wrong plus GAA council will want to make sure KK are facing the toughest opposition possible. Horgan is a class act and capable of destroying KK on his own IF he gets the right supply of low ball.



I don't normally go down the "I told you so" route lads, but the amount of nonsense written by some of ye in the last week meant it was justified.

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 20/07/2013 14:38:51    1436416

I hope youre right about the destroying kilkenny bit too bannerboy.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 20/07/2013 17:10:38    1436504