I know its not kilkennys fault. I never said it was. Fair play to them. Im just saying that their dominance of the game is hurting interest levels.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/06/2013 18:25:54    1401944

I think KK have brought hurling to a new level and for that fair play to them, here is my problem every team may not match KK for their skill but no reason what so ever that other teams can not have the same work rate and intensity as KK. I put the blame on my own County for my next point, we beat them in 2010 if we had beaten them in 2011 in which we could of I felt that would of been the nail in the KK coffin for awhile as then we would of seen a huge amount of lads hanging up the hurley. The KK machine will keep going untill the King calls it a day and only then will we start to see KK slip, he is what makes KK the team they are, prove if anyone needs it, the all Ireland last year. Would KK of won the 2011 and 2012 all Ireland without the King? I think not.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 08/06/2013 18:26:23    1401946

so a great team is bad for a sport?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 08/06/2013 18:36:51    1401957

Great or not,I do think that seeing the same team win over and over again damages interest,yes.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/06/2013 18:45:13    1401964

This thread is ridiculous, half the posters on here are probably Manchester United supporters too and I bet they don't complain about their dominance. I think hurling would be brilliant if every team played at Kilkenny's standard. If every game was like the start of this Wexford and Dublin game then it would surely would die a death. Every sport has dominant teams / figures at some time or another. Tiger Wood, Roger Federer, Man Utd, Michael Schumacher, New Zealand , Barcelona and so on. Galway should worry about their own game rather than making excuses for why they haven't won an all Ireland in so long.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 08/06/2013 19:28:25    1401991

Im not making excuses,and im not denying that the sport would be great if every team played to Kilkennys standard,and Im not criticizing Kilkenny.
Im simply asking whether their dominance is good for the promotion of the game.Not a ridiculous thread at all really.

(Could people please answer the title question instead of saying that it WOULD be great IF everyone played like kilkenny)

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/06/2013 19:38:13    1401998

JonCarter

A piece of advice for the next time you want to discuss this topic, ask in the general rather than the specific. Hence ask something like is the dominance of one team good for a sport? (in my opinion it is not a good team when one team dominates the others.

Also change your location to Ireland instead of Galway as people would rather attack your own team rather than debate the question.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/06/2013 19:56:59    1402007

so are good great players bad for hurling and football and any other sport

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 08/06/2013 20:02:27    1402014

kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 1311

1402014
so are good great players bad for hurling and football and any other sport

That's an entirely different question and I would be amazed if any one said that great players are bad for any sport.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 08/06/2013 20:46:10    1402036

Midleton
County: Cork
Posts: 200

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kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 1311

1402014
so are good great players bad for hurling and football and any other sport

That's an entirely different question and I would be amazed if any one said that great players are bad for any sport.

there is great players in a great team?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 08/06/2013 20:51:48    1402041

Completely disagree with KK being bad for hurling. When KK are playing (not v Galway) I always hope they win because I admire their preparation, their intensity and commitment. Its not their fault they strive to be the best. There is no reason why any other county in Liam Mc can't get into the gym and on the field train just as hard or not harder than KK and bring a greater intensity and work rate to a game. Some time back in the depths of history KK started down the pile and climbed, no reason why others can't to that too.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 08/06/2013 20:57:45    1402042

kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 1312

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Midleton
County: Cork
Posts: 200

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kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 1311

there is great players in a great team?

Of course. And you'll find them in bad teams, as well. But the question was whether Kilkenny dominance was bad for hurling. Why can you not simply address that question. I presume your answer would be "No" and that would suffice. You've already explained why your answer would be "No". I hope you've read my post further up the thread where I explained that I didn't consider skill alone was responsible for that dominance.

Fair point crossfieldball, that's all well and good, but do you think that Kilkennys dominance is benefitting hurling (see title question)? If so, how?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/06/2013 21:20:17    1402066

Midleton
County: Cork
Posts: 201


u dont understand the argument do u?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 08/06/2013 21:24:07    1402068

Jaysus, ya cant fault Kilkenny for being outstanding,
it is the rest who are bad for hurling!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 08/06/2013 21:45:28    1402085

Im not faulting Kilkenny. Im asking is there dominance good or bad for the game? I should have phrased the title question as such I know.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 08/06/2013 21:54:02    1402095

kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 1313




u dont understand the argument do u?

I understand the question and I understand your argument.I just don't agree with you for reasons I have outlined earlier in the thread. Do you understand that?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 08/06/2013 22:03:20    1402097

Kilkenny are the standard bearers in Hurling since 2000 and they are a fantastic Team to watch.
Its not their fault that they are so far ahead of everyone else in the Country!!

Galway and Tipp are the only 2 Teams in the country that could potentially beat them but more often than not both Teams fail.

Kilkenny are simply the "Greatest" Hurling Team of all time,
Henry Shefflin is the "Greatest" Hurling Player of all time,
Brain Cody is the "Greatest" Hurling Manager of all time.....enough said.

Supermacs88 (Galway) - Posts: 248 - 09/06/2013 10:28:50    1402123

Supermacs88
County: Galway
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Kilkenny are the standard bearers in Hurling since 2000 and they are a fantastic Team to watch. Nobody will argue with that.
Its not their fault that they are so far ahead of everyone else in the Country!!Nobody will argue with that either.

Galway and Tipp are the only 2 Teams in the country that could potentially beat them but more often than not both Teams fail.I agree as do most others.

Kilkenny are simply the "Greatest" Hurling Team of all time,I agree as do most others.
Henry Shefflin is the "Greatest" Hurling Player of all time,I agree as do most others.
Brain Cody is the "Greatest" Hurling Manager of all time I agree as do most others.....enough said.

Your email is no more than a preamble to the question posed by JonCarter. Nothing that you have stated is relevant to answersing the question because nobody will disagree with those statements.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/06/2013 11:57:06    1402159

Supermacs, we all know that.
The question is if their dominance is healthy or unhealthy for the game.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 09/06/2013 13:21:05    1402202