I agree its going to be a tough match and I know the league was an absolute joke of a match the dubs hammered but lads show a bit of heart if the players had the same attitude it would be another hammering!! We can win this if we play to our best of ability, This Dublin team can be beating...Clondalkindub did the referee not have an influence when Down scored a goal that shouldn't have been giving and one by 2 points?? Did the referees decision not make a difference when the Golden Child got a handy free to win a Lenister semi final, Did the referees decision not make a decision when Tomas O'Connor scored a goal that should have been giving but got ruled out, and we lost by a point?? I don't like bringing these up but ref decisions have a major impact in games, so do player performances too btw!!

LillyLad (Kildare) - Posts: 65 - 20/06/2013 13:05:28    1411444

".Clondalkindub did the referee not have an influence when Down scored a goal that shouldn't have been giving and one by 2 points?? Did the referees decision not make a difference when the Golden Child got a handy free to win a Lenister semi final, Did the referees decision not make a decision when Tomas O'Connor scored a goal that should have been giving but got ruled out, and we lost by a point?? I don't like bringing these up but ref decisions have a major impact in games, so do player performances too btw!! "

Versus Down the ref equalled matters up when he let Callaghan take 8 steps for his goal. The ref pretty much admitted to this. The Golden Childs free? It was a 50/50 and they got the decision. By the letter of the law it was a free though. TOC didn't get the benefit of the doubt that day, but hey that happens.

Stop whinging about refs decisions. It makes us look like bad losers and it's distasteful.

We're not Meath!!

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/06/2013 13:16:20    1411456

Seriously joxer, you actually mentioned an o'byrne cup game as being relevant a week before a championship game in June? O byrne cup!!!
Even if we beat dublin in the league, would it be relevant now? Kildare have a chance but no more than that really, our forwards have not out-scored dublin forwards in a game that mattered since 2000. Any tactical success on the day will still require our forwards to deliver, something they tend not to do.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 20/06/2013 13:23:38    1411461

Kildare by ten to twelve points at least.....

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/06/2013 13:31:15    1411476

our forwards have not out-scored dublin forwards in a game that mattered since 2000

Haven't checked the stats but I would venture that Kildare's forwards outscored Dublin's in 2009. But as I've said before Kildare's forwards aren't the big issue, haven't been in a while. I think it highlights a kind of lazy label logic by supporters who keep repeating this. If Kildare had Cluxton in goals and say an Aidan Walsh in midfield we'd beat anyone. Put any two forwards you want into the Kildare team and it wouldn't make anywhere near as big a difference if the kickouts and supply of ball was the same.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 20/06/2013 13:46:52    1411494

Time to end Dublin's tyranny!

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 20/06/2013 13:59:29    1411513

daytona11
County: Kildare
Posts: 2227

1411456
Stop whinging about refs decisions. It makes us look like bad losers and it's distasteful.

Hear hear

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 20/06/2013 14:13:03    1411529

Well said Daytona !

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 20/06/2013 14:13:06    1411530

Are we Dublin's heir apparant and main rivals in Leinster for the foreseeable future? Answers not on a postcard but in the seething cauldren of Croke Park on June 30th.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3038 - 20/06/2013 14:15:42    1411533

Would be amazed if Kildare got within 7 points of Dublin. Very poor that Kildare are now seen as Dublin's main rivals in Leinster. The province badly needs Meath to step it up again. This will undoubtedly take a few years, but in the meantime perhaps Louth could start to make inroads. Otherwise Leinster could become the least competitive province, and that's saying something.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 20/06/2013 14:28:58    1411549

That's fair enough lilywhite1. Let's wait and see if we can actually beat them on the field of play.

In reality, When it comes to championship I for one am sick of hearing about my county being the second best team in Leinster etc and contenders for the All Ireland. That's been the talk since McGeeney has been there. With all of the resources the man has had what success do we have to show for it?

In the Leinster championship can we really consider ourselves to be more of a threat than your Wexfords, Louths and Meaths?

No.....

Hard to write that as a Kildare man but sometimes we need to take a step back and look at ourselves.

I just don't see who is going to look after Brogan.

We need to get rid of the arrogance we show to "lesser" teams and actually do the business on the field for a change. Only then can some of the Kildare posters back up some of the rubbish they are spouting.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/06/2013 14:30:42    1411552

switec
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1411461
Seriously joxer, you actually mentioned an o'byrne cup game as being relevant a week before a championship game in June? O byrne cup!!!
Even if we beat dublin in the league, would it be relevant now? Kildare have a chance but no more than that really, our forwards have not out-scored dublin forwards in a game that mattered since 2000. Any tactical success on the day will still require our forwards to deliver, something they tend not to do.
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Well again I am guessing that you didn't see this game as it was played at great intensity, not quite championship but not far off that pace either. Anyway I listed your victories against top 6 teams in the league. I suppose they count for nothing either. Look these were all competitive games regardless of competition. We all can't take the Jimmy Mac line and pretend that nothing matters except championship. Kildare are in with a great shout and if the cards fall for them will win narrowly, by 2 I would say. In 2009 Kildare hit 18 scores to Dublin's 17 against a much more defensively minded Dublin formation. Mind you we had 14 men and two of our scores were goals but scoring is not a problem for Kildare against the Dubs.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 20/06/2013 14:34:10    1411556

Who needs the Dubs and Meathmen to take us down a peg or two when we have switec and daytona amongst us?

No wonder Kildare win sfa with supporters like yourselves. You always seem to stress the negatives with all games. You only appear just after a loss or when a loss is on the horizon. God knows what ye'll do if we happen to get a good result some day.

No doubt you'll come out with the 'I'm a realist' bs. I'm a realist too and I'm finding it hard to figure out how we'll beat the Dubs however I also had no problem congratulating our u21s after the Leinster success this year. I know what the common denominator is.

No doubt ye'll be the first on here with 'I told ye so' after the 7th.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 20/06/2013 14:48:21    1411579

Sedico,

I clearly state that we need to start producing the results on the field. I think we could be capable of doing that.

But we can't keep harping on about bad reffing decisons etc.

It's unbecoming......

Sometimes this "everything has to be postive nonsense wrecks my head"

You have to point out the negatives so they can be turned into positives. You can't just ignore them.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/06/2013 14:53:58    1411592

The u21's Sedico?

Yes great to win a Leinster. But it's to do with fantasists like yourself that they didn't win the All Ireland. Wouldn't even let the lads win a semi first.

Disgraceful stuff.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/06/2013 14:59:30    1411604

No wonder Kildare win sfa with supporters like yourselves.


What a complete load of crap, so the supporters views can influence the result of matches now can they, maybe we're just a mediocre honest team, ever consider that?

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 20/06/2013 15:02:18    1411606

fair point doublehop but if kildare got kickouts and midfield right, we'd still kick wide under pressure, we've dominated many games only to win by 2 points when it should have been 7 or lose. There is loads of circumstances where we've kicked wide when it truly matters, its been a problem since the 90's. John Doyle is the only forward to truly deliver on a consistent basis in pressure situations. No real blame attached, forwards not in the county, not much mcgeeney can do about it, the young lads coming through hit 20 wides in u-21 semi so hard to see them deliver in front of 65000 against the dubs, pressure cooker environment, a kildare forwards worst nightmare!!!

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 20/06/2013 15:08:42    1411614

daytona11
County: Kildare
Posts: 2230

1411592 Sedico,

I clearly state that we need to start producing the results on the field. I think we could be capable of doing that.

But we can't keep harping on about bad reffing decisons etc.

It's unbecoming......

Sometimes this "everything has to be postive nonsense wrecks my head"

You have to point out the negatives so they can be turned into positives. You can't just ignore them.



Show me where I said everything had to be postive? Thats right I didn't. Yourself and switec certainly do a fine job on pointing out the negatives though.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 20/06/2013 15:17:45    1411623

lilypad
County: Kildare
Posts: 396

1411606 No wonder Kildare win sfa with supporters like yourselves.


What a complete load of crap, so the supporters views can influence the result of matches now can they, maybe we're just a mediocre honest team, ever consider that?


Oh for heaven sakes will you read my posts. Have I suggested that Kildare are some super dooper team somewhere? Go on I dare you - point it out to me.

And yes supporters can influence the results of games. Do I really need to explain that to you?

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 20/06/2013 15:22:01    1411627

god Sedico, so we're not allowed to state facts without them being labelled negative- your reasons for being upbeat and positive are questionable given we have never beaten a big team in the championship under mcgeeney. some of us are suggesting that we tend to lose big games, hardly a buzz kill, more fact based. Maybe kildare will change that trend this year, but you have to admit its unlikely! No point moaning about it either, its a forum, anyone can say what they want, thats what makes it a forum!

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 20/06/2013 15:23:34    1411628