Anyone caught physically assaulting a ref or an official or a player be given a defined ban (say six months),medical bills to be paid for by the aggressor and I believe that the police should be called.
Saturday evening games would suit fans who have to work on Monday morning and there would be less competition for the airwaves,all Ireland finals often clash with premier league games which im sure take viewers away from the game.
Im pretty sure that club rivalries have hindered the development of antrim hurling and Derry football teams,to name but two,but im just relying on hearsay.Im sure it happens though.
Connacht rugby people recently visited a school and gave the kids free flags.Just things like that would help.Flags,bunting,just putting the brand out there.Galway city is mostly soccer,the Gaa is practically a foreign concept,getting people to recognize the crest and things like that would help.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 01/06/2013 17:53:35    1396584

My point number 7 is a pipe dream I admit,and re point number 8 I suppose that its better to have games on tv3 rather than not have them on the air at all.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 01/06/2013 17:56:09    1396586

01/06/2013 16:25:57
royaldunne
Donegalman The McCarthy cup is not a all ire competition. Thats a fact. Its like me saying the obyrne cup is a all ire comp, its just not true. I only have two issues so i dont give a hoot about the other 8 points.
the McCarthy is an all Ireland competition. you don't understand what facts are if you think your first sentence is a fact
no it is not like saying the o byrne cup is an all Ireland competition.
the o byrne cup is a leinster competition. the mc carthy has sides from munster, leinster, Connacht and ulster competing.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 17:56:48    1396587

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write out your 10 changes, instead of just commenting on everyone's else's 10 changes

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 18:07:23    1396588

Value What This Means
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Community is at the heart of our Association. Everything we do helps to enrich the communities we serve
We foster a clear sense of identity and place

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 18:13:47    1396591

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
8 how else would you increase spectator experience. Cost is big issue
I guess I meant if any work is going to be done on grounds anyway, it should be to improve the spectator experience, rather than just increase the capacity. There is work slated to start on a number of grounds around the country in the next year or two, work which will see capacities increased. I just don't think we need any more 40,000+ capacity stadiums, I'd prefer to see the money spent on 25,000 capacity stadiums with proper seating, and proper covered stands. But yeah, only if funds allow

9 is there really a need? league finals are 2nd biggest national finals and GAA would lose out big on money to be made. financial disaster
I was thinking more from a hurling perspective on that point. First, alot of Irish have emigrated back over here in the last few years, and it'd be pretty cool for them to have a game like that over here. Secondly, hurling has grown in popularity with Americans in the last 5 years or so, and it would be great to have a big(ish) game over here to encourage that. You have teams made up of American players springing up over here, especially for some reason in the mid-western states, in places like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Madison, St. Louis, as well as alot of universities. I think it'd be neat to have a NHL final in some place like Chicago, if possible, and try and and encourage these new clubs to attend and participate as well. Its a bit out there, but there's no harm in thinking big.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 01/06/2013 18:23:12    1396595

some accountability when I fork out €10 for a club match

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 01/06/2013 18:48:32    1396604

01/06/2013 17:53:35
joncarter
Anyone caught physically assaulting a ref or an official or a player be given a defined ban (say six months),medical bills to be paid for by the aggressor and I believe that the police should be called.
Saturday evening games would suit fans who have to work on Monday morning and there would be less competition for the airwaves,all Ireland finals often clash with premier league games which im sure take viewers away from the game.
Im pretty sure that club rivalries have hindered the development of antrim hurling and Derry football teams,to name but two,but im just relying on hearsay.Im sure it happens though.
Connacht rugby people recently visited a school and gave the kids free flags.Just things like that would help.Flags,bunting,just putting the brand out there.Galway city is mostly soccer,the Gaa is practically a foreign concept,getting people to recognize the crest and things like that would help.
Anyone physically assaulting a referee should get a life ban from the GAA and the Guards should be called.
All Ireland finals should stick to tradition. Would early season premiership games really take away from the highlight of the GAA season?

01/06/2013 18:07:23
kerryluck
ormondbannerman, write out your 10 changes, instead of just commenting on everyone's else's 10 changes
read the thread I have.

OK here are some of my changes
1. revolutionise the intercounty season. have the provincial competitions in hurling and football in each province as straight knock out, no replays, played out in 1 month as stand alone competitions to all Ireland
Keep provincial championships but have them stand alone competitions with all Ireland competition an entirely different competiton.
The all Ireland to be initially league based with every county getting 4/5 games depending on format with countys then playing knockout to decide all Ireland winner
every county plays in 2 competitions. their provincial cup which is straight knock out no replays with extra time and a league that gives 10+ games with finals played in Croke Park after 2/3 knockout rounds. This season would be standardised and would mean loads of time for club games
2. if players backchat to referee move ball up 15 metres from where the back chat occurred and a yellow card to player who backchatted
3. to stop managers from naming dummy teams penalise county boards financially if managers name phony teams.
4. Divisional sides competing in Liam McCarthy made up of weaker countys
5. all coaches having to have an official coaching course before coaching sides with increased levels of course to coach the higher level you get.
ie you have a go games course for people who to coach u12 and down, a foundation course for those coaching u14 and u16 and minor then courses for coaching junior, intermediate and senior and then courses if you want to coach at intercounty level.
6. sin bin of 10 minutes for yellow card offences
7. no games, especially hurling, played in crappy weather winter months. In tipp the past few years the u21 county finals have been played very close to Christmas with one year the finals being played on Stephens day.
8. award medals to both winners and runners up of all competitions. Not sure if it happens now but back when I played hurling and football I finished as runner up in 1/2 underage north tipp finals and myself nor any of my teammates got a medal. all finalists should receive medals whether they win or lose
9. underage teams who win county finals get to walk on at halftime of senior club county final in the sport they won. ie if nenagh eire og win the u14 county tipp football title they walk on at halftime of the senior club final between moyle rovers and clonmel commercials etc
10. any physical or serious verbal abuse of a referee or his umpires/assistants is a long term ban from all GAA activities and if serious enough a lifetime ban

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 18:52:05    1396606

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
8 how else would you increase spectator experience. Cost is big issue
9 is there really a need? league finals are 2nd biggest national finals and GAA would lose out big on money to be made. financial disaster

01/06/2013 18:23:12
Marlon_JD
I guess I meant if any work is going to be done on grounds anyway, it should be to improve the spectator experience, rather than just increase the capacity. There is work slated to start on a number of grounds around the country in the next year or two, work which will see capacities increased. I just don't think we need any more 40,000+ capacity stadiums, I'd prefer to see the money spent on 25,000 capacity stadiums with proper seating, and proper covered stands. But yeah, only if funds allow
How would you increase spectator experience? If current situation was an issue there would be complaints and changing facilities would be looked at but that hasn't happened

01/06/2013 18:23:12
Marlon JD
I was thinking more from a hurling perspective on that point. First, alot of Irish have emigrated back over here in the last few years, and it'd be pretty cool for them to have a game like that over here. Secondly, hurling has grown in popularity with Americans in the last 5 years or so, and it would be great to have a big(ish) game over here to encourage that. You have teams made up of American players springing up over here, especially for some reason in the mid-western states, in places like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Madison, St. Louis, as well as alot of universities. I think it'd be neat to have a NHL final in some place like Chicago, if possible, and try and and encourage these new clubs to attend and participate as well. Its a bit out there, but there's no harm in thinking big.
But would it honestly make any money as otherwise its a big loss of income.
Hurling has increased in popularity but would it honestly do anything to increase playing numbers exponentially.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 18:58:09    1396610

4. Divisional sides competing in Liam McCarthy made up of weaker countys

Community Identity
Community is at the heart of our Association. Everything we do helps to enrich the communities we serve
We foster a clear sense of identity and place

do that and you loose the above"community identity", which is part of what the gaa is all about

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 19:23:31    1396626

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
But would it honestly make any money as otherwise its a big loss of income.
Hurling has increased in popularity but would it honestly do anything to increase playing numbers exponentially.
The aim wouldn't really be to make money, it would be more about promoting the game in the US, and not letting the current interest in the game dissipate without attempting to build on it. It would also be about bringing the game to Irish immigrants who are out here in numbers. The NHL final was well attended this year, but its been poorly attended in most years recently, I don't think it'd be a disastrous loss of financial income, compared to what you'd be gaining in exposure. It would essentially be using the game as a promotional tool, so the game would be a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
Would it honestly do anything to increase playing numbers exponentially? I don't think anything would result in an exponential increase, but it would certainly raise the profile of the game, and encourage American kids who are taking up the sport, like these guys (sorry, I know I've posted these links before), to stay with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1NfpDZC4UI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ1ArTZgbuE

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 01/06/2013 19:23:43    1396627

7. no games, especially hurling, played in crappy weather winter months. In tipp the past few years the u21 county finals have been played very close to Christmas with one year the finals being played on Stephens day.

how would you do this?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 19:29:14    1396631

01/06/2013 19:23:31
kerryluck

4. Divisional sides competing in Liam McCarthy made up of weaker countys

Community Identity
Community is at the heart of our Association. Everything we do helps to enrich the communities we serve
We foster a clear sense of identity and place

do that and you loose the above"community identity", which is part of what the gaa is all about
You don't lose anything(note lose you cant loose anything)
By having divisional sides made up of weaker countys the stronger players in counties like Kerry, Sligo, etc etc get to play at the top level of hurling for perhaps the only time. why not do that. having sides made up of the best players from all countys not capable of competing in the Liam McCarthy means more players get to play at the top level and enrich themselves and help try increase exposure to hurling in the "non traditional counties"

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 19:38:33    1396639

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County: Clare
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1396639
01/06/2013 19:23:31
kerryluck

4. Divisional sides competing in Liam McCarthy made up of weaker countys

Community Identity
Community is at the heart of our Association. Everything we do helps to enrich the communities we serve
We foster a clear sense of identity and place

do that and you loose the above"community identity", which is part of what the gaa is all about
You don't lose anything(note lose you cant loose anything)
By having divisional sides made up of weaker countys the stronger players in counties like Kerry, Sligo, etc etc get to play at the top level of hurling for perhaps the only time. why not do that. having sides made up of the best players from all countys not capable of competing in the Liam McCarthy means more players get to play at the top level and enrich themselves and help try increase exposure to hurling in the "non traditional counties"

more coverage by the gaa can highlight hurling in weaker counties
how would you not loose community identity

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 19:42:44    1396642

01/06/2013 19:23:43
Marlon_JD
The aim wouldn't really be to make money, it would be more about promoting the game in the US, and not letting the current interest in the game dissipate without attempting to build on it. It would also be about bringing the game to Irish immigrants who are out here in numbers. The NHL final was well attended this year, but its been poorly attended in most years recently, I don't think it'd be a disastrous loss of financial income, compared to what you'd be gaining in exposure. It would essentially be using the game as a promotional tool, so the game would be a means to an end, and not an end in itself.
Would it honestly do anything to increase playing numbers exponentially? I don't think anything would result in an exponential increase, but it would certainly raise the profile of the game, and encourage American kids who are taking up the sport, like these guys (sorry, I know I've posted these links before), to stay with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1NfpDZC4UI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ1ArTZgbuE
promote the game in the US to what end?
NHL final even poorly attended here would be much bigger than any attendance in America and all related costs with getting teams over etc would make issue loss making as would loss of tv money as less money would be paid by tv stations here for games that would throw in at nighttime
Promote the game to who?
Irish know about it and not enough americans will ever play the game to make it any interest to America as a whole
01/06/2013 19:29:14
kerryluck
how would you do this? How do you think?
By ensuring games in summer are not postponed for fairly trivial reasons. By a proper season structure and fixtures planning taking place with all clubs/county teams agreement
By allowing club games played much more closer around inter county games and stopping inter county managers being able to postpone club games at a whim

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 19:45:48    1396647

how would you do this? How do you think?
By ensuring games in summer are not postponed for fairly trivial reasons. By a proper season structure and fixtures planning taking place with all clubs/county teams agreement
By allowing club games played much more closer around inter county games and stopping inter county managers being able to postpone club games at a whim

do you understand what community identity means?

divisional teams entering hurling? u having a laugh? how will that work, where will they train? how you get county boards to agree on fixtures? do you understand the pride in your county jersey?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 20:01:11    1396659

Ormond. Pardon me. I didn't know meath longford mayo rosscommon fermanagh cavan Tyrone wicklow louth down monaghan etc etc. Were all competing for the McCarthy cup. When did this happen?? Please enlighten me, without all the mathematics of four by four and munseacht.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/06/2013 20:10:53    1396667

01/06/2013 20:01:11
kerryluck
do you understand what community identity means?
divisional teams entering hurling? u having a laugh? how will that work, where will they train? how you get county boards to agree on fixtures? do you understand the pride in your county jersey?
I do understand what community identity means and what it is.
Yes representative(divisional) sides made up of the best players in non traditional counties entering the main hurling championship. It will work by them training together in central locations that could be moved if required.
I totally understand what pride in the jersey is. Quite a number of the top players in the weaker countys are capable of playing with Liam McCarthy competing counties yet will never get to play at that level. Entering representative sides of the best players in the weaker counties means those players would get a chance to play at the top level that they otherwise would not. whats wrong with that?

01/06/2013 20:10:53
royaldunne
Ormond. Pardon me. I didn't know meath longford mayo rosscommon fermanagh cavan Tyrone wicklow louth down monaghan etc etc. Were all competing for the McCarthy cup. When did this happen?? Please enlighten me, without all the mathematics of four by four and munseacht.
where did I say they are competing for the liam McCarthy and why are you talking about omahant when he hasn't been in this thread

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 20:34:31    1396676

01/06/2013 19:42:44
kerryluck
more coverage by the gaa can highlight hurling in weaker counties
how would you not loose community identity
how can you "loose community identity"?? That makes no sense? The word is lose.
More coverage of what exactly?
Representative sides of the best players from countys like mayo, Sligo, Donegal etc playing against the best players in the strong counties. whats wrong with that?
The best players in weaker countys who otherwise would never get a chance to play against the best hurlers in the country get a chance to and there is another team capable of playing for the Liam McCarthy. Whats wrong with that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 20:38:43    1396678

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01/06/2013 19:42:44
kerryluck
more coverage by the gaa can highlight hurling in weaker counties
how would you not loose community identity
how can you "loose community identity"?? That makes no sense? The word is lose.
More coverage of what exactly?
Representative sides of the best players from countys like mayo, Sligo, Donegal etc playing against the best players in the strong counties. whats wrong with that?
The best players in weaker countys who otherwise would never get a chance to play against the best hurlers in the country get a chance to and there is another team capable of playing for the Liam McCarthy. Whats wrong with that?

show highlights of lower hurling leagues, christy ring and the other lower hurling competitions and show some of them live on tnag, more coverage in news papers, compare the top counties of hurling and football to 20 years ago and you will see that a lot more people know the names of all the players, why?

thats not going to work, clubs wont go for it, all them counties will have to fix fitures together, different number of clubs, different size of counties

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 20:49:21    1396684