ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 4684


What would people think of all coaches having to have an official coaching course before coaching sides with increased levels of course to coach the higher level you get.
ie you have a go games course for people who to coach u12 and down, a foundation course for those coaching u14 and u16 and minor then courses for coaching junior, intermediate and senior

foundation?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 12:37:33    1396409

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 4684

Who would cover the lower leagues of the national league when many of the GAA fans in the participating counties don't attend games. Who would be interested enough for games be shown? Same goes for Christy Ring.
Who are provisional winners
How are the GAA turning into a "profit organisation". That doesn't make sense??
Dublin plays in Croke Park all the time as they have enough fans to fill or nearly fill it for most games. Why have 15000 in a provincial ground with 10000 outside when you can fit all in Croker

more coverage for games the more popular it can become, look at the change in the gaa in the last 20 years with the hugh increase in coverage.
if that the case in dublin always playing in croke park? shouldn't the english premier league always have man utd playing in old trafford so, since it has the biggest capacity of the premier league clubs, why should dublin fans be put before other fans? if its not a money reason, its the gaa favouring dublin

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 01/06/2013 12:44:31    1396414

i really hope next year we get leinster quarter final game outside croke park to shut all this anti dubs and croke park bla bla bla up

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/06/2013 12:57:18    1396421

Toe up is a skill, take it away you take away one of the very first basic skills you are thought. For the life of me I don't understand why the women's game doesn't have it, are they not able to put their foot under the ball? If you get rid of it then there's no point to having the touching the ball on the ground and you can imagine with all the blanket defences

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 01/06/2013 14:09:33    1396462

Imagine with all the blanket defences that players will just fall on the ball. Not very entertaining football me thinks plus add that convicts rule for high fielding.

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 01/06/2013 14:13:16    1396465

31/05/2013 21:59:30
Marlon_JD
I've already explained why I think its unfair, I can't be any clearer. And I'm not getting snooty with anyone, but I will if I feel like it. Instead of just shooting down everyone else's ideas and asking pointless questions ad nauseum, why don't you make some constructive suggestions of your own.
I am debating the points made and if you could read you would see I have made suggestions. Youre thick if you think all the questions Ive been asking have been pointless and I have made suggestions. read the thread back and you will see that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:13:40    1396466

01/06/2013 09:07:29
royaldunne
1 stop referring to hurling championship as. "All Ireland " its Not majority of counties dont take part in it.
2 do not touch provincial football championships

Marlon your idea for reward of genuine supporters is all ready there, season tickets.
The hurling championship is and always will be referred to as All Ireland as it is. 12 countys in the main championship for the Liam McCarthy with several competitions of various strength below that
I agree the provincial championships should be kept but as straight knock out no replays competitions that are separate to a new expanded all Ireland competition

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:16:44    1396470

01/06/2013 10:58:43
freetaker1
Well royaldunne I consider the Leinster football championship to be a joke, One team end of. Even dipping into the transfer market Kildare are still poor, and Meath only won a Leinster title with a helping hand from the 16th man. The standard in connacht is poor, Sligo lose to a Junior team and Mayo hammer Galway into next year, but there are still two All Ireland contenders in Munster.
Leinster football championship is not a joke and certainly is not "one team end of". Dubs have dominated it the past 7/8 years but not like they've been facing same team in final most years. They've a very strong team at the moment but still have faced 5+ different sides in finals in that time.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:23:34    1396476

01/06/2013 12:02:16
uibhfhaili1986
1) Football at intercounty level to be 13 a side it would open up space in the game.
2) No intercounty or club GAA to be played before start of March (where the warm up competition begins championship begins in early April) and after the first week of October.GAA is a summer sport and should be played in the summer months and exception to be made for all ireland club championships, schools and colleges matches.
3) No collective training allowed before February 1st.Intercounty teams starting training in November is ridiculous.Why is there a need for 7 months of training to prepare for the championship
4) Run championship on a system similar to NFL in America.Have the O'Byrne/McGrath cup ctc as the warm up competition to be played in March.
5) Sort out club fixtures issue.This means county managers have no say on club fixtures and club matches are played in between county matches.With the system I propse above there woud be a 2 week break between intercounty matches.The week in between is when club matches are played.
6)Better promotion of the games by the GAA at national and local level.
7)Turn down the volume on the Public address system in Croke Park.
8) Less negativity in the reporting of the games by the media.
9) People with enthusiasm and ideas going forward for the top administrative positions in the GAA.
10) The GPA to actually think of all players in the association and not just the elite players.
How could you arrange for no games to be played before start of March and after end of October apart from all Ireland club games and school/colleges games?? The fixtures scheduling would never allow that. Look at the amount of games. Clubs would never agree as theyd miss loads of games as inter county coaches would stop inter county players playing club games close to intercounty games.
Inter county sides train in November as they've the league to train for as well. Everything is not just about the
How would you promote GAA better?
Who are all the negative people in media dissing the GAA and how can you try censor them???

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:32:44    1396482

01/06/2013 12:36:16
patmcgee
It starts in February when does it finish? Dublin and Tyrone league final was at the end of april. all finals should be finished before april to make time for club games.
I would have a backdoor system similiar to the one we have now only with 4 even provinces. Give a home quarter final to each of the provincial winners and play the quarter finals, semi's then a two week break to the final in august. this would make sure that every county know they have septemeber for club championship games.
Having club finals after the season is over is a joke it messes up the league for a few county teams and it leaves club teams involved training over the winter months. There is no reason it cant be played off during the winter when most county grounds would still be in good nick. As a club player I'd much prefer 6/7 games over the winter months rather than training through the winter. Obv weather has to be taken into account but the majority of county grounds would be ok at that time of year.
Ormond, any suggestions yourself? its fairly easy to shoot other people down when you're not suggesting anything yourself
read the thread ive made plenty of suggestions.
How would you shorten the league to finish it in shorter timeframe??
How are club finals "after the season is over"?? When does the season end??
The club championships run late because of its members not being strong enough to organise things to ensure there is not big delays between games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:35:43    1396486

01/06/2013 12:37:33
kerryluck
foundation?
Is a level of rugby coaching course.
Mini course refers to coaching under 12 and below
foundation is for coaches who coach sides between under 13 and under 19 and then there is level 1,2,3 coaching courses for coaching adult sides

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 14:36:57    1396487

Having read the suggestions of others and some a great i'd like to revise my suggestions and name 6 things which I think would hugely benefit the game.

1) Scrap provincial championships on trial.
2) A separate Hurling and Football organisation which report to the GAA.
3) Bigger hurling counties buddy up with weaker counties and help with coaching and development.
4) Stadium clock and tighter regulations and penalties for poor officiating.
5) Sponsorship to be displayed on all parts of kit. sponsorship is money, money gets things done.
6) Congress votes happen around the county like a general election where each registered club player over 18 can vote on changes to THEIR game.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 01/06/2013 15:28:29    1396514

1-Zero tolerance when it comes to violence
2-Goalkeepers to be yellow carded when they try to influence an umpire by waving their arms to indicate wide
3-All Irelnad finals to be played on Saturday evenings (around 7 maybe?)
4-League and championship to be played concurrently like the rabodirect and Heineken cup.This would mean a lot of games in the summer but also a longer break for intercounty footballers which I would imagine would suit clubs.
5-Players and management and administrative officials to stop letting club rivalries getting in the way of whats best for the county team
6-More aggressive promotion of the games.Connacht rugby have worked like dogs to promote their brand throughout Galway city and Galway Gaas response has been at best pathetic. (theyre probably too busy stuck in some room trying to sort out a fixture row)
7-To tone down the commitment required to play for your county.It deters some guys from playing.I know that this isn't going to happen though
8-Less games on Tv3.Too much ads and the commentary is awful.
9-Fans to stop calling for an end to the provincial championships.Just because they are not too competitive at the moment doesn't mean they wont be again.Also local rivalries are important to the Gaa and the provincial championships help keep these going.An open draw could mean the like of Galway/Mayo, Dublin/Meath, Tyrone/Armagh etc going several years at a time without playing eachother.
10-Less games in croke park if at all possible.I realize that its the hallowed turf but theres nothing special about playing in front of a 3/4 empty stadium which is often the case.This years league hurling final in Nowlan park is a good example.A small stadium but a fantastic atmosphere.If that was in croke park it would have seemed like a library.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 01/06/2013 15:57:27    1396525

My own 10 ten (thickness notwithstanding), more with hurling in mind

1. A separate hurling and football board in each county, so both sports get a fair shake no matter what sport dominates
2. Replace the current umpiring role with a more referee type role, perhaps introduce zonal refereeing (referee currently tries to do too much, we have 7 officials on the field)
3. Play the League final and first game of championship as a double header (in hurling this year, it would have given more coverage to Antrim v Westmeath, and given some continuity to league and championship)
4. Consider implementing the HDWG's proposals of playing the provincial hurling championships as a round robin, then knockout for the AI.
5. Allow Christy Ring cup winner into that years qualifiers
6. If 5 is a no go, return to original format of playing Ring/Rackard finals before AI semi's
7. If 5 and 6 are a no go, consider allowing new representative sides made up of lower tier players into the AI qualifiers
8. Any future stadium work should focus on spectator experience rather than increasing capacity. Unroofed stands in a country where it rains all year isn't ideal
9. Consider playing the league finals in the USA every second year, give us exiles a treat
10. Consult hurling managers in every county before introducing yet another NHL format, then try to settle on one long term format

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 01/06/2013 16:02:59    1396531

Very good posts ormondbannerman one of few in here with a bit of common sense.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3627 - 01/06/2013 16:05:50    1396533

Donegalman. The McCarthy cup is not a all ire competition. Thats a fact. Its like me saying the obyrne cup is a all ire comp, its just not true. I only have two issues so i dont give a hoot about the other 8 points.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/06/2013 16:25:57    1396542

01/06/2013 15:28:29
crossfieldball
Having read the suggestions of others and some a great i'd like to revise my suggestions and name 6 things which I think would hugely benefit the game.
1) Scrap provincial championships on trial.
2) A separate Hurling and Football organisation which report to the GAA.
3) Bigger hurling counties buddy up with weaker counties and help with coaching and development.
4) Stadium clock and tighter regulations and penalties for poor officiating.
5) Sponsorship to be displayed on all parts of kit. sponsorship is money, money gets things done.
6) Congress votes happen around the county like a general election where each registered club player over 18 can vote on changes to THEIR game.
why scrap the competitions that are some counties only chance of winning something?
Keep provincial championships but have them stand alone competitions with all Ireland competition an entirely different competiton.
The all Ireland to be initially league based with every county getting 4/5 games depending on format with countys then playing knockout to decide all Ireland winner
what do you mean by stadium clock. referees and their assistants already time the game.
No to congress votes being like general election. point of congress is that every club/county etc delegates 1/several people to vote on behalf of their members
every county plays in 2 competitions. their provincial cup which is straight knock out no replays with extra time and a league that gives 10+ games with finals played in Croke Park after 2/3 knockout rounds. This season would be standardised and would mean loads of time for club games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 17:24:27    1396575

01/06/2013 15:57:27
joncarter
1-Zero tolerance when it comes to violence
2-Goalkeepers to be yellow carded when they try to influence an umpire by waving their arms to indicate wide
3-All Irelnad finals to be played on Saturday evenings (around 7 maybe?)
4-League and championship to be played concurrently like the rabodirect and Heineken cup.This would mean a lot of games in the summer but also a longer break for intercounty footballers which I would imagine would suit clubs.
5-Players and management and administrative officials to stop letting club rivalries getting in the way of whats best for the county team
6-More aggressive promotion of the games.Connacht rugby have worked like dogs to promote their brand throughout Galway city and Galway Gaas response has been at best pathetic. (theyre probably too busy stuck in some room trying to sort out a fixture row)
7-To tone down the commitment required to play for your county.It deters some guys from playing.I know that this isn't going to happen though
8-Less games on Tv3.Too much ads and the commentary is awful.
9-Fans to stop calling for an end to the provincial championships.Just because they are not too competitive at the moment doesn't mean they wont be again.Also local rivalries are important to the Gaa and the provincial championships help keep these going.An open draw could mean the like of Galway/Mayo, Dublin/Meath, Tyrone/Armagh etc going several years at a time without playing eachother.
10-Less games in croke park if at all possible.I realize that its the hallowed turf but theres nothing special about playing in front of a 3/4 empty stadium which is often the case.This years league hurling final in Nowlan park is a good example.A small stadium but a fantastic atmosphere.If that was in croke park it would have seemed like a library.
yes to 1. but by zero tolerance what would you change(if make any changes at all) to the disciplinary process?
2 is an excellent suggestion.
3. no. why change from tradition?
4 is an excellent suggestion
5 does that happen as much anymore???
6 how would you suggest to do this???
7 how would you even try do this? I know you admit that this will not happen
8 why? Less games on tv3 means less games on tv as TG4/RTE not likely to be able to fund showing the games that tv3 cover
9 yes
10 depends. players and many fans like going there for games so why change that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 17:29:44    1396576

another thing would be for some of the all ireland quarter finals to be held at venues outside of croke park , like thurles , the gaelic grounds , portlaoise etc

Murlo111 (Dublin) - Posts: 192 - 01/06/2013 17:40:07    1396579

01/06/2013 16:02:59
Marlon_JD
My own 10 ten (thickness notwithstanding), more with hurling in mind

1. A separate hurling and football board in each county, so both sports get a fair shake no matter what sport dominates
2. Replace the current umpiring role with a more referee type role, perhaps introduce zonal refereeing (referee currently tries to do too much, we have 7 officials on the field)
3. Play the League final and first game of championship as a double header (in hurling this year, it would have given more coverage to Antrim v Westmeath, and given some continuity to league and championship)
4. Consider implementing the HDWG's proposals of playing the provincial hurling championships as a round robin, then knockout for the AI.
5. Allow Christy Ring cup winner into that years qualifiers
6. If 5 is a no go, return to original format of playing Ring/Rackard finals before AI semi's
7. If 5 and 6 are a no go, consider allowing new representative sides made up of lower tier players into the AI qualifiers
8. Any future stadium work should focus on spectator experience rather than increasing capacity. Unroofed stands in a country where it rains all year isn't ideal
9. Consider playing the league finals in the USA every second year, give us exiles a treat
10. Consult hurling managers in every county before introducing yet another NHL format, then try to settle on one long term format
would each sport really get a fair deal if their was separate boards running things in each county?
2 is a good idea
3 is a good idea
4. why not provincial championships as straight knock out with all Ireland as a separate competition and the all Ireland initially would be round robin before knockout
6 should still happen. great shame wasn't continued
7 would be savage to see. Top players on weaker sides would get recognition they deserve and would get to play in front of crowds they rarely do
8 how else would you increase spectator experience. Cost is big issue
9 is there really a need? league finals are 2nd biggest national finals and GAA would lose out big on money to be made. financial disaster

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/06/2013 17:41:48    1396581