31/05/2013 17:30:18
GreenandRed
Let's attempt to have a discussion by responding to each others posts with an aletrrnative to their suggestions or a reason why you disagree withthem rather than reject them out of hand. A bit of positivity !
A rugby style points system for the league where bonus points can be awarded to losing teams who score a minimum number of points and keep the deficit to a set number of points. Similar bonus points to be awarded to teams who score more than 3 goals in a game.
In the event of teams tied at the end of the league goals from play, points from play points from play kicked outside the 40 to be weighted in the decision. All kind of vague but might help to encourage more attacking games. NICE Ideas.

What would people think of all coaches having to have an official coaching course before coaching sides with increased levels of course to coach the higher level you get.
ie you have a go games course for people who to coach u12 and down, a foundation course for those coaching u14 and u16 and minor then courses for coaching junior, intermediate and senior

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:29:45    1396208

31/05/2013 17:59:07
crossfieldball
Ormondbannerman,
Why dont you grace us with 10 changes you would like to see?
As for some of my suggestions you have a problem with, firstly an open draw football championship does not give the stronger teams the advantage, weaker counties have every chance of drawing counties of the same quality and getting a nice draw right through and ding dong there in the big time. Stronger counties could also knock each other out very early too. With the provinical championships weaker counties always will encounter the stronger heavyweight, not so in the open draw.
As regards 2nd and 3rd level games, give them a higher profile, there a super standard. I think there should be one competition at each grade A,B,C with all teams form every county in them, not provinical competitions.
Open Draw and no provincial championships means weaker counties have no chance of winning anything.
Open Draw means some weaker counties may get 1/2 games more a year depending on draw but is totally varied on a draw which means you cant plan ahead
How would you give 2nd and 3rd level games a higher profile? What would you do to increase there profile?
Why no provincial competitions?
Why only 1 competition at each grade?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:33:07    1396210

31/05/2013 18:01:34
dblackandamber
1/ Managers and at least two players to have a mandatory media night Q&A before a match to help garner interest in the media, and promote the upcoming game.
2/ A rejigged championship that provides at least four games every summer in both codes.
3/ The provincial championships to be part of a separate straight knockout, finish on the day, cup competition.
4/ A fixed calendar for the inter-county scene to enable better planning for the club scene.
5/ A 10 minute sin bin in both codes to be provided for:
- deliberately fouling a player through on goal
- four personal fouls
- foul abuse to a referee or official
6/ Squad numbers for the year. Positions mean so little these days it should have been brought in years ago and it can help fans recognize players better, especially in hurling. Good from a marketing point of view too.
7/ The finals of the lower tiers in hurling to be played and televised prior to the AISF's to promote interest in the game and for those counties to have better exposure.
8/ The SF's of each of the lower tiers in hurling to be played on different Saturday's, with the GAA insisting on coverage for these games to give better exposure for the weaker counties.
9/ The club championships start after the new year in February rather than playing into November to allow teams to get a decent rest over the winter. The club finals are no longer played on St. Patricks Day. Instead play the Junior, Intermediate and Senior finals of hurling in Croke Park on the same day which would be the day before the Hurling League Final, and the same with the football. Promote the hell out of that weekend as a festival of hurling, and of football.
10/ A settled league structure for hurling:
- 7 team top tier. 3 home & away games each. Top 2 to League Final. Bottom team automatically relegated. 2nd and 3rd team from bottom in relegation playoff.
- 8 team division 2. Top team automatically promoted. 2nd & 3rd team in promotion playoff. Bottom team automatically relegated. 2nd and 3rd team from bottom in relegation playoff.
- 8 team division 3. Top team automatically promoted. 2nd & 3rd team in promotion playoff. Bottom team automatically relegated. 2nd and 3rd team from bottom in relegation playoff.
- Remainder of counties in division 4. Top team automatically promoted. 2nd & 3rd team in promotion playoff.
Media nights before championship games and big league games already happen.
From doing a journalism course and listening to Malachy Clerkin he said that launches of shows, competitions in Croke Park is one of the ways the GAA is able to get players to talk to media as otherwise its very difficult

Provincial championships, straight knock out, separate finish on the day would be great. All provincial championships would be done and dusted in a month and leave more time for club games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:37:48    1396212

31/05/2013 18:24:28
Sergeant_Slash
Don't really see how its a skill. Skill is entertaining for fans, there ain't much entertainment watching a lad toe up a ball. In addition it leads to much more fouling as you have to break momentum to pick the ball up and the slightest touch will mean you go over. We have enough fouling going on. We don;t have it in the womens game, I really dont see a place for it in the mens either, it will speed up the game. Of course, I don't mean that the toe up should be banned, just a player should have discretion as to how he picks it up, sometimes a toe up is the best option. It was brought in when Gaelic football started to differentiate the game from rugby, I think we can all tell the difference now.
It is clearly a skill. A skill by definition is the learned capacity or ability to carry out pre-determined results often with the minimum outlay of time, energy, or both. In other words the abilities that one possesses. Therefore it is a skill.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:40:21    1396214

only one thing FOR PEOPLE TO STOP WANTING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING and enjoy the games

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/05/2013 19:41:57    1396215

31/05/2013 18:24:58
kerryluck
1.stadium clock
2.video ref
3.refs/ref chief to answer questions on controversial bookings/non-bookings
4.have christy ring live on tv, even tnag4
5.more coverage for lower leagues in hurling
6.current players to be involved in votes/discussions at congress( county and club players)
7.provisional winners to meet each other, winners into semi final and losers play team from qualifiers
8.more tickets made available to teams that are in the all ireland finals,
9.no funding to county boards that don't treat both codes right
10.gaa to stop turning into a profit organization( why else do dublin play in dublin the whole time=gaa is turning into a profit organization)
Who would cover the lower leagues of the national league when many of the GAA fans in the participating counties don't attend games. Who would be interested enough for games be shown? Same goes for Christy Ring.
Who are provisional winners
How are the GAA turning into a "profit organisation". That doesn't make sense??
Dublin plays in Croke Park all the time as they have enough fans to fill or nearly fill it for most games. Why have 15000 in a provincial ground with 10000 outside when you can fit all in Croker

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:44:51    1396218

31/05/2013 18:38:55
MayoMark
1. Scrap provincials, retain trophies, have Western, Eastern, Northern and Southern Divisions of 8 teams each, 2 groups of 4. Group games played on Saturday nights
2. To introduce proper seeding for teams based on league performance to make the league a more important and respected competition.
3. Introduction of a proper second tier championship for teams who finish 3rd and 4th in the group system as stated above. This should be taken seriously by the GAA and the winners should be rewarded with 2nd seed in their division for the following year despite their league position.
4. Failing a new format, Quarter Finals to be played at the home of provincial champions. This would be nice from an economic point of view also, lets share the load a bit.
5. Consistent refereeing, and a serious look at how injury time is decided. This nonsense of adding 1 minute onto games where there should clearly be 3 or 4 is getting real old.
6. League semi finals should be held in small, neutral stadia, such as Tullamore, Longford, depending on participants. 22,000 people in Croke Park is ridiculous and only taints the league. A full Tullamore, for example, would create a cracking atmosphere.
7. More games under lights for the league. Honestly think it creates a great atmosphere. Saying that, the atmosphere at Mayo Tyrone (Sunday) this year was one of the best I have ever seen at MacHale Park!
8. Development of another stadium along the lines of Croke Park. Athlone is central, maybe a 30,000 seater here would be ideal. (I actually believe a 30,000 seater all purpose stadium should be built here. Between FAI, GAA and IRFU, along with other organisations and the govt, it wouldn't take a huge amount of effort. Saying that, the FAI are in the poop so it wouldn't work!!
9. Avoiding kit clashes. Kerry v Tipp last week was a bit daft. Dark green and gold v blue and yellow. Both with white shorts. It's not really ideal. Introduce proper second kits to avoid clashes. Similarly, Laois v Dublin last year in the AI Quarter.
10. A serious look at football in hurling counties and hurling in football counties.
Why scrap provincial championships with well over 100 years of history, tradition for "east, west, north, south" championships????
Why move provincial championships from straight knock out to group format?
Injury time has a method as to how much is played. Ask a referee and they'll say it will depend on what happens in games.
Why develop a stadium in Athlone that would rarely if ever be used? It would be a white elephant

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 19:51:36    1396222

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Hun,
How would you enforce that?
No reason for anyone to give tickets to those people who attended previous games. Tickets sold are tickets sold.
You really looking for people to get coupons? How likely would people be to keep coupons from every game of year and ensure theyre there. That's just messy

Easy now, hun can mean so many things (I'll assume you were referring to my Mongolian style of posting to HS while marauding on horseback through the Caucasus). Can you honestly not think of one reason to give ticket priority to people who've been going to games all year long? Is there anything more frustrating than seeing people who've gone to every league, challenge, and qualifier game all year, probably picking up pneumonia along the way, struggle to get a ticket if their team reaches the AI, while someone who's paid no attention to hurling all year long picks up a few tickets instead? Answer is yes, there are hundreds of things more annoying than that, but its still pretty unfair. I think people who've followed the team everywhere and in all types of weather deserve a ticket on the big day (if their county makes it) more than someone who marks out the AI as theit one hurling match of the year to attend.
As for it being messy, yes, my flimsy suggestions are messy, and probably unworkable, but thats why I said there are probably more sophisticated ways to get it done.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 31/05/2013 20:21:36    1396239

Lots of ideas there but how would they be financed

With less income from

Using smaller venues for big games

Discounting prices

Things like the Clock/Hooter & TV Replay booth: are they to be for Inter County games only ? League & Championship or just championship

Pay players: Club & County or just County ? Hurling & Football ? Name one County Board who has the funds to 60 players even 30 g each ??


If each County has to equip its Ground with Clock/TV Booth: What is the cost ??

Was the Clock idea not passed at Congress around 2010 and postponed on costs grounds ??

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 31/05/2013 20:31:58    1396247

31/05/2013 20:21:36
Marlon_JD
County: Tipperary
Posts: 457
Easy now, hun can mean so many things (I'll assume you were referring to my Mongolian style of posting to HS while marauding on horseback through the Caucasus). Can you honestly not think of one reason to give ticket priority to people who've been going to games all year long? Is there anything more frustrating than seeing people who've gone to every league, challenge, and qualifier game all year, probably picking up pneumonia along the way, struggle to get a ticket if their team reaches the AI, while someone who's paid no attention to hurling all year long picks up a few tickets instead? Answer is yes, there are hundreds of things more annoying than that, but its still pretty unfair. I think people who've followed the team everywhere and in all types of weather deserve a ticket on the big day (if their county makes it) more than someone who marks out the AI as theit one hurling match of the year to attend.
As for it being messy, yes, my flimsy suggestions are messy, and probably unworkable, but thats why I said there are probably more sophisticated ways to get it done.
why not suggest something that may be someway workable then?
You cant just give tickets to big games to those who attend the earlier games when there is no way of proving people attended or did not attend games.
Doing that is just a logistical nightmare
Its not unfair. Its unlucky but that's life.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 20:35:34    1396249

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
why not suggest something that may be someway workable then?
Because I'm tired, because I'm caffeine deprived, because its a discussion on a discussion board, so its not beyond the bounds of possibility that others might observe the core idea, and have an opinion on how it could be implemented.

You cant just give tickets to big games to those who attend the earlier games when there is no way of proving people attended or did not attend games.
Fine, its beyond the bounds of human endeavor, discussion over

Doing that is just a logistical nightmare
Its not unfair. Its unlucky but that's life.
Luck has nothing to do with it, its just unfair. But that's life.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 31/05/2013 21:22:31    1396275

31/05/2013 21:22:31
Marlon_JD
County: Tipperary
Because I'm tired, because I'm caffeine deprived, because its a discussion on a discussion board, so its not beyond the bounds of possibility that others might observe the core idea, and have an opinion on how it could be implemented.
Fine, its beyond the bounds of human endeavor, discussion over
Luck has nothing to do with it, its just unfair. But that's life.
Don't get snooty at me because I said youre ideas cant work.
Its not unfair. how is it unfair?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/05/2013 21:47:05    1396286

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Don't get snooty at me because I said youre ideas cant work.
Its not unfair. how is it unfair?

I've already explained why I think its unfair, I can't be any clearer. And I'm not getting snooty with anyone, but I will if I feel like it. Instead of just shooting down everyone else's ideas and asking pointless questions ad nauseum, why don't you make some constructive suggestions of your own.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 31/05/2013 21:59:30    1396294

1 stop referring to hurling championship as. "All Ireland " its Not majority of counties dont take part in it.
2 do not touch provincial football championships

Marlon your idea for reward of genuine supporters is all ready there, season tickets.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/06/2013 09:07:29    1396307

1 Stop start clock system to minimize tactical time wasting
2 Penalties for deliberately running down clock from kickouts, freetaking etc (mandatory yellow?)
3 Hawkeye
4 No replays, extra time only. This is only fair on the demands of the players, and would ease the glut of club fixtures as a result.
5 Ticket allocations must be addressed, especially for all ireland finals. Allocations should be reflected in attendance of matches prior to the game, the season ticket is an excellent idea, but there seems to be a huge trend of undeserving allocations while true supporters struggle to get the tickets.
6 Allow for lifting the ball off the ground, the toe under the ball does nothing for the game, but diving on the ball to be penalized
7 Player surrounded by opponents to be given a throw-ball. Being caught in possession after winning it cleanly is being penalized
8 ruling of number of consecutive hand passes to team mate to be capped at a maximum of 3, footpass then compulsory
9 Requisite length of grass to be cut on pitch. Long grass is dangerous for ligament damage, and can b used as a tactic to slow players down or the ball down
10 Umpires and linesmen to take greater responsiblity and report off the ball incidents. If they are seen to be consistently negligent in this regard, stop them from their duties. I have seen umpteen games over the years where a forward has been dragged around the place off the ball and not been given the protection they deserve.

I dont know much about hurling, sorry guys, I am showing my ignorance. I assume the safety issues are all in situ.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 01/06/2013 09:36:38    1396315

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 3831

1396307
1 stop referring to hurling championship as. "All Ireland " its Not majority of counties dont take part in it.
2 do not touch provincial football championships

The responsiblity is on us to get with the program in terms of getting up to speed with the game of hurling. Just because there is a difference in class between the counties, doesnt mean that it once was and still cannot be an all ireland competition. Kilkenny are the best team in ireland, that does not mean that one day donegal cant do this or meath for that mater. They are not champions of a small competition v Tipp and Galway, and this would belittle their achievements.

Your second point is not a change to the GAA, so not relevant here.

You are missing 8 points.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 01/06/2013 10:43:58    1396335

Well royaldunne I consider the Leinster football championship to be a joke, One team end of. Even dipping into the transfer market Kildare are still poor, and Meath only won a Leinster title with a helping hand from the 16th man. The standard in connacht is poor, Sligo lose to a Junior team and Mayo hammer Galway into next year, but there are still two All Ireland contenders in Munster.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 01/06/2013 10:58:43    1396342

1. Trial introduction of The Mark between both 45's.
2. Penalties for non designated team staff who encroach the pitch.
3. A technical area where team staff must not trespass.
4. Clean pick up off the ground.
5. Consideration of two referees in the AI series.
6. No trial by the Sunday Game.
7. More attractive schemes aimed at improving attendence.
8. A mature debate regarding the workability of the current provincial system.
9. Stop clock for injuries.
10. More transparency in disciplinary issues.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 01/06/2013 11:56:46    1396386

1) Football at intercounty level to be 13 a side it would open up space in the game.
2) No intercounty or club GAA to be played before start of March (where the warm up competition begins championship begins in early April) and after the first week of October.GAA is a summer sport and should be played in the summer months and exception to be made for all ireland club championships, schools and colleges matches.
3) No collective training allowed before February 1st.Intercounty teams starting training in November is ridiculous.Why is there a need for 7 months of training to prepare for the championship
4) Run championship on a system similar to NFL in America.Have the O'Byrne/McGrath cup ctc as the warm up competition to be played in March.
5) Sort out club fixtures issue.This means county managers have no say on club fixtures and club matches are played in between county matches.With the system I propse above there woud be a 2 week break between intercounty matches.The week in between is when club matches are played.
6)Better promotion of the games by the GAA at national and local level.
7)Turn down the volume on the Public address system in Croke Park.
8) Less negativity in the reporting of the games by the media.
9) People with enthusiasm and ideas going forward for the top administrative positions in the GAA.
10) The GPA to actually think of all players in the association and not just the elite players.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 01/06/2013 12:02:16    1396389

Ormondbannerman,
The national league already starts in early February? How much earlier would you start it?
Why scrap competitions like o byrne cup? Inter county sides need competitive games to play prior to the national league. If O Byrne cup is scrapped something else will be played instead
Divisional sides competing in Liam McCarthy is an excellent idea.
Are provincial championships not finished in june/july already?
Playing club finals on paddys day is a great tradition and something perfect for what paddys day is about
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It starts in February when does it finish? Dublin and Tyrone league final was at the end of april. all finals should be finished before april to make time for club games.
I would have a backdoor system similiar to the one we have now only with 4 even provinces. Give a home quarter final to each of the provincial winners and play the quarter finals, semi's then a two week break to the final in august. this would make sure that every county know they have septemeber for club championship games.
Having club finals after the season is over is a joke it messes up the league for a few county teams and it leaves club teams involved training over the winter months. There is no reason it cant be played off during the winter when most county grounds would still be in good nick. As a club player I'd much prefer 6/7 games over the winter months rather than training through the winter. Obv weather has to be taken into account but the majority of county grounds would be ok at that time of year.

Ormond, any suggestions yourself? its fairly easy to shoot other people down when you're not suggesting anything yourself

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 01/06/2013 12:36:16    1396407