TheMaster
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1390574 No advantage in that particular instance, due to their own inability. However, we should strive for an equal playing field for everyone and not rely on the hope that a team cant make the best of what they have, should we not?

Very true the master, tell that to the teams in Ulster who have to go through qualifiers and possibly another 3 matches to just get out of Ulster.
Where as in Connaught?

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 24/05/2013 16:00:27    1390685

AthCliath
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1390685
TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1390574 No advantage in that particular instance, due to their own inability. However, we should strive for an equal playing field for everyone and not rely on the hope that a team cant make the best of what they have, should we not?

Very true the master, tell that to the teams in Ulster who have to go through qualifiers and possibly another 3 matches to just get out of Ulster.
Where as in Connaught?

Equality for all............well some!!!!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 24/05/2013 16:06:08    1390696

We have to play 3 games aswell AthCliath. Galway, Roscommon and A.N.Other, just like dublin. However, if it actually were uneven, it still doesnt justify the issue at hand. Any more excuses?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/05/2013 16:15:08    1390702

Can't be arsed reading through this thread.

It is a huge advantage and you're a bit of a dafty if you can't work that out tbh.

The onus is not on Dublin supporters to change it and most jacks I know would love an away day in championship.

It is no excuse about the financial argument, that's just as mental as saying its not an advantage.

There is a very annoying saying amongst the old school "the GAA needs Dublin t win all Irelands". We have to move away from that sort of rubbish and this is one issue that needs sorting as well as money issues at club and county level especially in Dublin.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 24/05/2013 16:17:51    1390703

Jimbo, and because of the advantage dublin had, people will forever link the success you outlined to this. Who is to say mayo wouldnt have won several of those finals if they were in castlebar? I would be pretty sure of one of them anyway v meath in 96.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/05/2013 16:18:06    1390704

TheMaster
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1390704
Jimbo, and because of the advantage dublin had, people will forever link the success you outlined to this. Who is to say mayo wouldnt have won several of those finals if they were in castlebar? I would be pretty sure of one of them anyway v meath in 96.

Of course Mayo would've won in 96 if it had've been in Castlebar.

Sure you said so yourself, the grass isn't as springy!!!!!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 24/05/2013 16:23:59    1390709

TheMaster
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1390704 Jimbo, and because of the advantage dublin had, people will forever link the success you outlined to this. Who is to say mayo wouldnt have won several of those finals if they were in castlebar? I would be pretty sure of one of them anyway v meath in 96.
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Why would they play an AI final in Mayo?

There's nothing we can do about where they schedule games themaster

So why do / would people hold it against us?

It's not logical.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 24/05/2013 16:35:44    1390721

I think it's obvious that many have a problem with it.

Personally I think your time would be better spent typing an email in the following link

http://www.leinstergaa.ie/contact-us.9.html


After all it's their fault that many of you have a problem

Also the fault of many of your own CB's... but sure you can find those links yourself

:)

That's the thing about it... you need to look at why this is happeing rather than who is involved.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 24/05/2013 16:44:37    1390731

As far as I can see the problem here is that Croke Park is in Dublin.

It has to go somewhere lads.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 24/05/2013 16:46:34    1390735

TheMaster
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But that is inability Joxer, they couldnt make the advantage count, they let it work against them instead. It is like when a team get a guy sent off, but start playing worse. The superior numerical numbers is an advantage, but if they dont have it between the ears how to use it, then it isnt much good to them. However, you cant say it isnt an advantage, it is, and although on this occasion it might not have affected the game, the next time it might, and so shouldnt be there.

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I think you missed the point themaster. Again you are assuming that the advantage of playing in Dublin outweighs the disadvantage of the huge weight of expectation on the players shoulders. The fact that a talented Dublin squad bottled it several times in the championship at home in front of an expectant 80000 plus media hype suggests that the latter may have outweighed the former. In other words Dublin playing at home is not the big advantage that losing teams would like you to think it is. The stats bear this out.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 24/05/2013 17:56:12    1390788

Let me see, 5 million divided by 32 = 150,000.

Each county should be rearranged in order to fulfil this requirement.

Only then will we know who is the best.

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 24/05/2013 18:09:59    1390796

You need to redo your maths. The population of the island of Ireland is 6400000.

Divided by 32 is 200000.

doyle55 (Westmeath) - Posts: 13 - 24/05/2013 18:26:50    1390807

I think it's more of an advantage in the leinster championship for dublin to play all their games at croker and that is part of the reason that leinster isn't competitive smaller teams are not used to the hype in croker on the day and probably to a certain extent are over awwed by the occasion where as dublin are used to it.
It's not as much of an advantage after that because the teams that are in the business end of the championship by and large get enough days out in croker to be used to all that goes on in the day.

DL (Donegal) - Posts: 210 - 24/05/2013 18:27:43    1390808

Gammy_Knee
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1390632
an mhí...an dún...an clár..an cabhán...an longfort...are others........I haven't seen any of these counties get out before áth cliath and run to the gorilla enclosure end to warm up...

if the an was used then surely baile would be used regarding ath cliath so the an obviously is not used.
whats your problem with hill 16 whats with the jeering you must be jealous it comes across as that you dont support a county that has a place for its supporters to bring colour and atmosphere to a match

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/05/2013 18:50:43    1390821

Hill16no1man

Áth Cliath or Contae Átha Cliath is correct when referring to Dublin GAA.

Baile Átha Cliath refers to the city whereas Áth Cliath is the entire County together.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 24/05/2013 19:20:27    1390838

Well I for one am not holding it against the Dublin players or fans. There are big enough venues in Leinster to hold all the quarter finals including Dublins. Fine new stand and terrace in Tullamore, Nolan park, Portlaoise, Wexford park... these should be utilised more. Instead of half empty Croke park for Leinster quarters.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 824 - 24/05/2013 20:40:34    1390870

Look perhaps Dublin v Westmeath could have been played outside of Croke park but the obvious neutral venue (navan) has had it's capacity reduced due to health and safety and until it gets a face lift can't see it been used.
I dont see why this is a issue at all, Croke park is the main venue it happens to be in the Capitol, Dublin are riding high at the min so it becomes a, ahh thats why they won. The reason Dublin have won seven out of last eight leinster is that apart from meath in ten no team could finish them off in a game, kildare, wexford, laois all could have and probably should have beat them, so could meath. Thats not cause the games were played in croker, its the opposition failures.
Furthermore the player makes this point and then makes another outlandish statement.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/05/2013 09:33:52    1390936

It is an advantage no doubt but not against everybody. The big teams like Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone etc. would have no problem coming to Croke Park to play Dublin so in that regards it may be overemphasised. But if Dublin had to play Laois, Meath etc away from home in Leinster then they may be turned over far more than they have been. It is a funny one but overall yes it has to be an advantage.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 25/05/2013 10:13:31    1390949

Joxer
I think you missed the point themaster. Again you are assuming that the advantage of playing in Dublin outweighs the disadvantage of the huge weight of expectation on the players shoulders.

It is yourself that is missing the point. The above is true, if the team is good enough. Obviously the kilkenny footballers can play at home all day and it wont be enough, but in a tight game, with two evenly matched teams, it could make all the difference. This bottling thing is a load of guff. A soundbite that people use, the reality is if you lose it means you werent good enough. People say mayo bottled it against kerry, the truth is they were a superior outfit. The same applies to dublin.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/05/2013 11:04:30    1390959

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1390704 Jimbo, and because of the advantage dublin had, people will forever link the success you outlined to this. Who is to say mayo wouldnt have won several of those finals if they were in castlebar? I would be pretty sure of one of them anyway v meath in 96.

Lets say we accept the point mayo could of won if played in castlebar, its all ifs and buts. would you accept DUBLIN in early 90s especially against Donegal if that game had off been outside croker they wouldnt of been so laid back going into match and might have been more focussed. its all ifs and buts. we havent had the chance to travel to someone elses stadium for a big match and use it to motivate us ,whos knows about some of our defeats in 2000s if they had of been in killarney or thurles or cork.
I accept Dublin have an advantage against Westmeath playing in croker and if some of leinster matches over the years had of been outside of Croker we might of lost them, would you accept that over the years between been overconfident and letting the occasion get to them it has hindered us also.
Or is it only one way in your opinion.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/05/2013 11:15:36    1390965