Joe's comments were personnel, in that he has his own idea about who should be Armagh manager. To also bring the brothers into it shows how personnel they were.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/05/2013 11:08:21    1388780

woops
County: Kerry
Posts: 723
I know it is in irish but I find Seo Spoirt as an entertaining advertisement of GAA punditry with Dara O Cinneide and Sean Ban being great entertainment

What? ''i know its in Irish but''? Are you saying that because there are programmes in Irish they might not be as good as they would be if they were in English?

Any way, Dara Ó Cinnéide is a great host of the show, knows his stuff and he has some great guests on but what about Seán Bán Breathnach?? Give me the real deal anyday. SBB is ok on radio. He just listens to what other panelists say and then goes with the other - without foundation or knowledge of what he's talking about. Be careful what you wish or.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/05/2013 11:16:53    1388785

As Grimley is the Armagh manager as all managers do have to take the good and bad from the pundits that is ther job . Just because Armagh where beat by a younger and fitter Cavan team he is looking to give someone a hard time and joe seems to be top of the fireing line at the minute . Who will he give a hard time to when he gets put out in next round. Armagh just not good enough so the manager should not be giving anyone a hard time .

topdownfan (Down) - Posts: 555 - 22/05/2013 11:27:55    1388799

The bottom line is armagh could come out the next day and have that system off. They have lots of cross players so it is a distinct possibility. What does brolly say then? How does he come back from his previous statements? His analysis was not only overly personal, it was actually a little inaccurate. They had a bad game, no more no less. What he said about their tactics was correct as regards positioning etc, but a few adjustments and that can be put right. Where does that leave him?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 11:48:03    1388827

So you want Brolly to comment on what ifs , if onlys etc

If if if

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 22/05/2013 11:53:14    1388836

Brolly usually hits the nail on the head. He is the best pundit for getting it on the money. Only time i can ever remember him getting it wrong was in 2004. Thought Armagh were going to hammer Fermanagh out the door. How wrong he was.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2013 11:59:24    1388842

22/05/2013 11:59:24
gotmilk
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 1360

1388842
Brolly usually hits the nail on the head. He is the best pundit for getting it on the money. Only time i can ever remember him getting it wrong was in 2004. Thought Armagh were going to hammer Fermanagh out the door. How wrong he was.

To be fair to him, we all thought that. But we were all happy to be proved wrong :)

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 22/05/2013 12:17:10    1388862

In fairness I thought the same as well. But thats the beauty of sport.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2013 12:31:22    1388872

gotmilk
Brolly usually hits the nail on the head. He is the best pundit for getting it on the money. Only time i can ever remember him getting it wrong was in 2004. Thought Armagh were going to hammer Fermanagh out the door. How wrong he was.

I take it you dont watch mayo matches then... Similarly, you must have erased every loss a strong northern team has had to a southern team from all memory... Brolly is wrong as often as any of them. He will always look knowledgeable the year after an ulster team wins sam, simply because he always backs ulster teams.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 13:58:05    1388964

Brolly is a very good analyst albeit in a format that encourages him and Spillane to say controversial things(like Dunphy and Hook)

As its an entertainment programme you need to take the comments with a pinch of salt

Fuming because Brolly has a liking for northern teams or Spillane for Kerry is exactly the reaction Rte want

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 22/05/2013 14:05:15    1388973

You mean Mayo games like the All Ireland final Master? Pretty sure Brolly nailed that one as well

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/05/2013 14:20:00    1388986

Brolly were said a few comments which were over the top - most notably :
1. Galway don't care about football - this is a throw away remark and can't be justified, Galway have many won have titles in the last 10yr,
2.However, Armagh looked clueless in every department and for that reson Grimley selection and tactics need to be examined, but it wasn't. the selection of an 18yr old school boy was a gamble - was it discussed, the performance of a 'poor' referee or the posible sending off in the opening minutes wasn't discussed either,
3. but brolly gives an opinion unlike o'rourke, who gives nothing......

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 22/05/2013 21:58:42    1389439

TV is all about viewer numbers and entertainment. Guaranteed we'll all tune in next time Brolly is on to see what he'll say after this so as far as RTE care thats what they want. The man is entitled to say as he wishes, there just words, makes no odds on the field. Many a time we listen to managers and players giving the fakest of interviews, saying whats expected of them.

I also seen on a side article Grimley apologizing to Armagh for there display. Cavan earned a win, they were simply a better side on the day. I think that act as slightly disrespectful to Cavan, almost claiming if Armagh played they would have won.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 23/05/2013 16:59:31    1389919

gotmilk
You mean Mayo games like the All Ireland final Master? Pretty sure Brolly nailed that one as well

Well no because he got that one right. I mean the two semi-finals against dublin, the quarter-final against cork and the quarter final against tyrone. The league semi against kerry and the league match against donegal. Any of those ring a bell?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/05/2013 17:27:22    1389957

It's nonsense to to pretend that you have to be objectionable and offensive to give good analysis; in fact the kind of juvenile behaviour indulged in by Brolly gets in the way of fair analysis. In the hurling, for example, I have always found Donal O'Grady excellent and fair. There is absolutely no need to insult people. It just shows bad breeding and bad manners.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 23/05/2013 17:34:28    1389963

I don't think Joe has bad manners or bad breeding. As I say he is a self assured, confident barrister who has to put on a show in the coutroom every day and maybe carries a lot of that behaviour over into his media coverage. Furthermore Joe's had a very emotional and stressful year on the donor issue and has admitted himself in his columns that he has been trying to get a better meaning and understanding of life so maybe we should cut him a bit of slack. Having said that he should also realise that he has hurt and annoyed some people by personalising the criticism. We are not all cold, unemotional fish who can just brush off this stuff; as Joe has found out himself this year we are human at the end of the day, not robots.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 23/05/2013 21:55:46    1390188

Cullann, The fact it is in irish might not be everyone's cup of tea! The fact i watch it should sjow I dont have a problem with that!

Sean Ban is a character and does have an opinion, but he never gets personal or dirty. the show is good entertainment.

This punditry is getting fairly big now.
For some reason I would have a lot more time for the likes of Dunphy and Giles over Spillane and brolly any day of the week. They throw so much muck that some of it is bound to stuick and be correct from time to time.

For me the pundit head and shoulders above the rest at the moment is Gary Neville, he says it as it is but keeeps it within limits. You know he is being honest in his assessment

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 24/05/2013 10:53:25    1390311

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
Posts: 6033

1388237 "The Galway players just dont care about playing football".....(or words to that effect)!!

What an awful thing to say about lads who give heart and hand for their county no matter what county it is just because they had a very bad loss!!

Example: Dublin hammered by Kerry in 2009, then beat them in 2011 AI Final! Did Dublin footballers not care about football in 2009 Joe?

I Agree with Snufalufugus's comments above re Brolly stating that Galway "don't care about football". Well for his knowledge, we are the only team West of the Shannon that have won 2 senior intercounty AI's, 4 intercounty U21 AI's, 1 intercounty minor AI and 3 senior club AI titles in the last 15 years (not to mention intermediate and junior club AI's also) and that is right up there (and even better) than most of the top counties. According to Brolly, I suppose we should have won every AI played for if we "cared about football"! He has a chip on both shoulders since Galway knocked out his beloved Derry in 98 and 01 in the AI Semifinal when Derry were favourites.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 24/05/2013 11:11:42    1390333

Master did you just name every time Mayo caused an upset? I remember the Cork one. But the league semi finals I can't say I remember as RTE don't have rights to live coverage of the NFL. So I'm guessing its from one of his newspaper articles. Could you please send me a link to one of these?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 24/05/2013 11:38:03    1390363

Woops

Sean Ban is a character and does have an opinion, but he never gets personal or dirty. the show is good entertainment.

This punditry is getting fairly big now.
For some reason I would have a lot more time for the likes of Dunphy and Giles over Spillane and brolly any day of the week. They throw so much muck that some of it is bound to stuick and be correct from time to time.

For me the pundit head and shoulders above the rest at the moment is Gary Neville, he says it as it is but keeeps it within limits. You know he is being honest in his assessment

Aontaíom leat go h-iomlán a bhuachaill. Especially about Gary Neville. We know that Joe does not like soccer but he could have a look at Neville who is very good, makes his point and does not have to resort to insults. He might learn a thing or two. Sky are doing alright as well.

I can understand why people like Brolly. It is not hard. It is also difficult to cater for everybody so for those of us who don't like him we can just turn down the sound or listen to the radio (provided you are in control of the remote). RTE might consider different analysts during the game.

I read a very good book a number of years ago called 'The Wisdom of Crowds'. One chapter deals with how as human's we constantly chase the 'expert'. The author describes 'expertise' as "spectacularly narrow".The point here is do RTE need as many 'experts' as they have currently employed (in any sport)? I would bet that the people on here are as much 'experts' as Brolly, Spillane et al. In fact I would say that woops for example knows more about Kerry football than all three (maybe not Spillane), Gotmilk knows more about Fermanagh football than all three...why not have more action, less 'experts' and have a fans forum; a TV phone-in, a person reading tweets...etc you would then have mixture of idiot WUMs guffaw-ing and creating controversy and few people that want raise reflective honest issues..I bet it would be cheaper to run

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/05/2013 12:28:14    1390402