Ah sure Witnof it's great for all involved so.. Stuck a fiver on ye yesterday to win the AI by the way. Don't think anyone else is close actually.

square_ball_69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 826 - 03/06/2013 14:23:12    1397639

Square...it's looking like ourselves and Donegal and then the ? of Mayo

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 03/06/2013 14:34:19    1397646

muckross

i expect ye to do that too but this time ye may not get to lead from the word go,as dublin will be all out to blitz donegal early with a goal and few points and then make donegal have to come out and play football then we will see what jim mcguinness plan b would be.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/06/2013 20:59:49    1398013

Actually playing in Cusack Park etc. would be better for Dublin in the early rounds of Leinster! These matches in Croker are a dis-advantage to us!

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waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 03/06/2013 21:13:38    1398031

to be honest if dublin were playing westmeath in cusack park they would have actualy been playing at a far higher intensity and probabaly won by more.the fact that they would be going down there would pump them up more and leave no room for complacency like we saw on saturday night with some awful passing which ended up with balls going over the sideline

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/06/2013 21:38:28    1398065

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i expect ye to do that too but this time ye may not get to lead from the word go,as dublin will be all out to blitz donegal early with a goal and few points and then make donegal have to come out and play football then we will see what jim mcguinness plan b would be.

Hill, I wouldn't be putting the house on that as my plan if I were you.
For starters Donegal are not Westmeath so the notion of "blitzing" them would be a lot easier said than done. As for scoring an early goal, it took Dublin over an hour to put one past Gary Connaughton, so I wouldn't be banking on that either.
If that wasn't bad enough this notion that Donegal would struggle if they had to come from behind is not borne out by the facts either. They were behind in both the Ulster semi final against Tyrone & the final against Down not to mention being behind this year against Tyrone. In all 3 cases they won out well.
I would be worried if I were you Hill, we're coming for you!!!!!!!!!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 04/06/2013 10:11:20    1398162

Worst game I've ever attended in Croker

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 04/06/2013 10:26:17    1398175

haha sure muckross im still not convinced donegal have a plan b ,i could be wrong but we will have to wait and see.
all teams have played games on donegal terms even dublin in 2011 but we had the players to get in front then and when we did it was game over as two points may aswell have been 20 points as donegal didnt change the way they played.
we have better forwards now so if we hit the front early what will donegal do?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 10:39:48    1398185

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we have better forwards now so if we hit the front early what will donegal do?

I think thats a bit exaggerated. 3 of your forwards are unproven in championship against top opposition. The Kildare game will tell us a bit more of Andrews, Mannion and Kilkenny. On current form Donegal have a far more settled and cohesive forward line. Donegal's forward line of McFadden, Murphy and McBrearty is still the best full forward line in the country. If it came to a shoot out between Donegal and Dublin, I'd be giving Donegal the nod.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 04/06/2013 10:55:25    1398198

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we have better forwards now so if we hit the front early what will donegal do?

I think thats a bit exaggerated. 3 of your forwards are unproven in championship against top opposition. The Kildare game will tell us a bit more of Andrews, Mannion and Kilkenny. On current form Donegal have a far more settled and cohesive forward line. Donegal's forward line of McFadden, Murphy and McBrearty is still the best full forward line in the country. If it came to a shoot out between Donegal and Dublin, I'd be giving Donegal the nod.

i heard the same thing all last week our forwards a re unproven and have no championship experiance bla bla bla.
listen we had harder matches in the o byrne cup then last weeks championship match,whats with the name of the match to so many people.
that was a championship match and had the intensity and pace of a challenge match.
andrews has been doing it all year.mannion relegeted donegal.
the point im making is dublin played donegal in 2011 with only alan and bernard and connolly as actual scoring forwards the rest were hard workers,we now have six guys actualy playing in them positions.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 11:04:59    1398203

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"Mannion relegated Donegal", its no secret that Donegal didn't put too much emphasis on the league so that would have been no great feat anyway. Don't go by the challenge game offered up by Westmeath at the weekend, even Paul Flynn came out and admitted he was disappointed at the level of intensity. The Dublin forwards were offered the world of space anytime the ball was kicked in. My point is that I will reserve judgement of these "top forwards" in Mannion, Andrews and Kilkenny until I see them come up with the goods against the top sides in the latter end of the championship. I still don't rate Connolly either as he tends to blow hot and cold in which he blows cold more often than not.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 04/06/2013 11:20:47    1398223

Hill,
The league game in Ballybofey wouldn't be a source of great comfort if I was a Dub.
Between the starting 6 forwards & 3 subs brought into the forward line during the game only 2 scored from play. Not exactly blitzkrieg stuff.
As for using 2011 as a yardstick it reminds me of the saying "the past is a strange & foreign country, they do things differently there".

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 04/06/2013 11:41:26    1398236

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"Mannion relegated Donegal", its no secret that Donegal didn't put too much emphasis on the league so that would have been no great feat anyway. Don't go by the challenge game offered up by Westmeath at the weekend, even Paul Flynn came out and admitted he was disappointed at the level of intensity. The Dublin forwards were offered the world of space anytime the ball was kicked in. My point is that I will reserve judgement of these "top forwards" in Mannion, Andrews and Kilkenny until I see them come up with the goods against the top sides in the latter end of the championship. I still don't rate Connolly either as he tends to blow hot and cold in which he blows cold more often than not.


thats exactly my point they proved themselves in the league and people said they have to do it in championship first but yet the league games were harder then the championship match !!!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 12:36:45    1398286

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Hill,
The league game in Ballybofey wouldn't be a source of great comfort if I was a Dub.
Between the starting 6 forwards & 3 subs brought into the forward line during the game only 2 scored from play. Not exactly blitzkrieg stuff.
As for using 2011 as a yardstick it reminds me of the saying "the past is a strange & foreign country, they do things differently there".

my point was he showed his nerve when kicking the last point under the pressure.
we hear all week complaining about dublin always playing in croker and the advanatage well he proved he could do it in ballybofey in a game donegal needed to win to avoid relegation.
i said we have better forwards then 2011 and that was the only time donegal have been beaten

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 12:39:07    1398288

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thats exactly my point they proved themselves in the league and people said they have to do it in championship first but yet the league games were harder then the championship match !!!

You're missing the point... yes the league games were harder than your first round championship opener but I'm making the point that I will reserve judgement on the aforementioned players until they perform well against a top team in the latter end of the championship e.g. Kerry, Cork, Donegal, Mayo etc.

Please don't compare league to championship.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 04/06/2013 13:59:38    1398390

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my point was he showed his nerve when kicking the last point under the pressure.
we hear all week complaining about dublin always playing in croker and the advanatage well he proved he could do it in ballybofey in a game donegal needed to win to avoid relegation.
i said we have better forwards then 2011 and that was the only time donegal have been beaten

What pressure? Dublin had already qualified, Donegal didn't care much one way or another, it's a long way from Croke Park in late summer with Neil McGee hanging out of you. Only then will we know about this Dublin team, when the real pressure comes on.

Having said that neither team might feature............

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 04/06/2013 13:59:39    1398392

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Actually playing in Cusack Park etc. would be better for Dublin in the early rounds of Leinster! These matches in Croker are a dis-advantage to us!

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Wayno because I think we would get more of the game, and be less routine. Despite what many say it wouldn't change the scoreline much.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 04/06/2013 14:17:07    1398418

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thats exactly my point they proved themselves in the league and people said they have to do it in championship first but yet the league games were harder then the championship match !!!

You're missing the point... yes the league games were harder than your first round championship opener but I'm making the point that I will reserve judgement on the aforementioned players until they perform well against a top team in the latter end of the championship e.g. Kerry, Cork, Donegal, Mayo etc.

Please don't compare league to championship.

so now you only think a player is good or not if he does well in an all ireland quarter final ?
what about the rest of the year ,so you dont rate emilyn mulligan off leitrim at that rate despite him playing out of his skin all year?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 16:40:19    1398604

muckross

so if neither featur in all ireland series would you still say these guys are not good players?
what about mulligan off leitrim? he never gets the chance to get that far but you still wouldnt say hes not a talented player would you?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/06/2013 16:42:15    1398607

waynol, wat you mean if meath get over wicklow and louth. eh louth have to play wexford, bit of a insult to wexford,

dawnrun (Wexford) - Posts: 81 - 04/06/2013 17:42:31    1398674