westmeath are higher odds then the other countys,because they reckon they would have to beat carlow first then dublin and more then likely kildare meaning its a harder route,if they were on the other side ofthe drwa they would be thrid favourites with the bookies.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2013 09:01:40    1381460

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 3621

If in doubt, you're
From kildare, surely I dont have to explain common terminology used in the expression of bookie's odds???
Points are the difference in odds of opposing teams, horses etc, therefore when a bookie puts odds up the difference between said opponents is called points difference, now id I had used those odds above saying meath were a average of 9 points ahead of laois with pp, no doubt you would have been on saying that William hill has only seven between them or whoever, s and of course it be in bold writing. So I used the lowest points difference odds I have seen.
Is that clear enough???
Also you can get ew odds, to reach final etc. 1,2.

Apologies RD, I took it as to mean you were referring to either the actual points / score difference between the teams or the points spread / handicap, my bad. Then again like has been already said it's not strange for the bookies to be wrong on things, going by the odds, Laois were three or four times more likely to get promoted than Westmeath and look what happened there.

Anyways, you can only get each way odds on the All Ireland, none of the major betting firms offer each way odds on the provincials, it'd be like throwing money away for them. They might have done so when the draws were initially made or prior to the league starting when odds on certain teams would have been longer or shorter, but there's no way the likes of PP, Boyles, Ladbrokes, Bet365 etc are still offering each way markets. A team would only have to win two matches for an each way bet to pay off, it's not like the league where there's going to be seven matches then a final.

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 102

I like the backdoor. It's a chance to get out and see the rest of the country rather than being stuck in the north inner city for every match. Sure aren't the media always telling us that the provincial championships mean nothing nowadays?

How does Mrs beir_bua feel about the backdoor?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 10/05/2013 10:07:18    1381490

The winner of the probable Dublin/Westmeath v Kildare semi-final will win Leinster imo.

Can't see anything on the other side of the draw that will trouble those teams. Maybe Laois if they can hit top form and it's Kildare or Westmeath through in the final.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 10/05/2013 10:11:09    1381497

doublehop
County: Kildare
Posts: 3126

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If Kildare are going to win Leinster under McGeeney, this will be the year they should do it imo!

Ah would ya stop! 2009 or 2010 would have been much better opportunities. Dublin have pushed on a lot since then and we have at best stood still. Kildare would have to reach a level we haven't since Micko to do it this year. Maybe it could all fall right for us on the day, fair enough. There's the potential for one big performance from us but McGeeney would be the first to tell you that the worst description in terms of sports psychology that someone could use when describing you is that you have 'potential'. And I'm sure some would even disagree that we even have that!

The previous years have passed so there isn't anything that can be done about them. My point still stands imo. Assuming Kildare/Dublin get over their first games, i think the inexperience of the Dublin newcomers will represent a good chance for Kildare to get one over on us considering that this match will be a white heat battle! You can never be sure how young players will react in championship. Perhaps thay will excel, perhaps not!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 10/05/2013 10:19:19    1381508

Kildare are probably likely to have more inexperienced players than Dublin if they meet. Donnellan, Kelly, Flynn, Cribbin, Hurley and Brophy all possible starters for Kildare. For all that Dublin have guys who are not used to the championship, they will all have good Croke Park experience from the league. Kildare less so.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 10/05/2013 12:24:03    1381593

if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
Posts: 1987

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 102

I like the backdoor. It's a chance to get out and see the rest of the country rather than being stuck in the north inner city for every match. Sure aren't the media always telling us that the provincial championships mean nothing nowadays?

How does Mrs beir_bua feel about the backdoor?

Careful now. ;-)

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 10/05/2013 12:34:30    1381600

I don't think its at all certain that McGeeney will start all or most of his U21 players! I do think that Cooper, McCaffrey, Kilkenny and Mannion will start for Dublin though. There's a strong possibility that Kevin O' Brien will start too. Add Darren Daly to that mix as well. Thats a third of the team U21 or there abouts and untested in championship football.

In my view that represents a good chance for Westmeath (apols Carlow) and Kildare (apols Offaly) to turn Dublin over! I don't think they will but its a good chance nonetheless.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 10/05/2013 13:08:44    1381626

@if in doubt. No need to apologize man, we all make mistakes.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/05/2013 13:24:31    1381641

hill16no1man



westmeath are higher odds then the other countys,because they reckon they would have to beat carlow first then dublin and more then

County: Dublin

likely kildare meaning its a harder route,if they were on the other side ofthe drwa they would be thrid favourites with the bookies.

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Exactly, plus they may have to play meath in final a county in the province they have never beat in over 125 years of championship football, despite having glorious opportunities in early part of last decade, everyone remembers that last second free when to be honest it was alot easier to score than miss it

10/05/2013 10:07

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/05/2013 13:30:48    1381646

Donnellan looks like he will get the nod ahead of Connolly in goals. Paul Cribbin and Niall Kelly are definites. Daniel Flynn & Sean Hurley are probable starters and Brophy is 50/50 to get a position in the full forward line. There will be at least 4 and possibly 5 or 6 Kildare lads getting their first championship start against Offaly. The u21 semi final showed that these players are far from the finished article yet so it's anyone's guess whether they will sink or swim.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 10/05/2013 13:50:59    1381658

Last days game v Kildare a one off , while I do believe we are the better team , i dont think we should read too much into league game .
Personnally sitting in the cold light of day I can understand the frustration of other counties playing second fiddle to Dubs , and it leads to a boring championship , we suffer to Kilkenny every year in hurling and its not easy to live with .
On match day you get behind your team and cheer them on regardless who their playing , and how many in a row is it ? Who cares ? up the dubs .

Back to cold light of day when passions arent to the fore , my dream summer is for Dublin to lose in Leinster , who wins leinster Imnot bothered .
Dublin take to the road hitting the three other provinces on way to ALL Ireland Glory in Sept , beating Jimmy and his boys .
Proving We can travel and win , and let someone else have their day in the sun in leinster .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/05/2013 13:55:49    1381665

eany16
County: Dublin
Posts: 944

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I don't think its at all certain that McGeeney will start all or most of his U21 players! I do think that Cooper, McCaffrey, Kilkenny and Mannion will start for Dublin though. There's a strong possibility that Kevin O' Brien will start too. Add Darren Daly to that mix as well. Thats a third of the team U21 or there abouts and untested in championship football.

In my view that represents a good chance for Westmeath (apols Carlow) and Kildare (apols Offaly) to turn Dublin over! I don't think they will but its a good chance nonetheless.


darren daly aint young hes 26 years of age

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2013 14:10:31    1381676

Damothedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 331

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Last days game v Kildare a one off , while I do believe we are the better team , i dont think we should read too much into league game .
Personnally sitting in the cold light of day I can understand the frustration of other counties playing second fiddle to Dubs , and it leads to a boring championship , we suffer to Kilkenny every year in hurling and its not easy to live with .
On match day you get behind your team and cheer them on regardless who their playing , and how many in a row is it ? Who cares ? up the dubs .

Back to cold light of day when passions arent to the fore , my dream summer is for Dublin to lose in Leinster , who wins leinster Imnot bothered .
Dublin take to the road hitting the three other provinces on way to ALL Ireland Glory in Sept , beating Jimmy and his boys .
Proving We can travel and win , and let someone else have their day in the sun in leinster .

no way i dont want to lose any match never mind not win leinster.
watched dublin long enough to remember barren spells without winning a leinster title would never take the competition for granted.
if we want to travel how about if we draw cork or kerry in all ireland quarter final play it in thurles like 2001

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2013 17:07:36    1381827

Cheers hill16man. I'm not sure there's anything more annoying to see Dubs talking about how they don't mind not winning Leinster when supporters and players in every other county would give their first born to win it.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 10/05/2013 18:46:18    1381869

These things go in cycles, meath dominated on couple of occasion too, and trust me during those times no dub fan didn't care about leinster, where as we didn't really give it that much thought, swings and roundabouts.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/05/2013 20:16:38    1381898

Yes, now you're talking, I'd love to play a QF in Thurles, love that stadium, Of course we want to win Leinster, it is certainly the 2nd most important trophy to secure ahead of the league and behind the AI obviously.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 10/05/2013 20:44:15    1381908

The league these days is of much more importance than any provincial championship. In the 1st div are pretty much all the best teams in the country, and it's a proper test over at least 9 games. SInce the advent of the qualifiers, 3 teams have won the All-I a total of 5 times without winning their province, and Dublin have won Leinster 7 times in 16 years but only one All-I (and one league) in the same period. QED

Capitalist (Dublin) - Posts: 47 - 12/05/2013 15:18:57    1382497

No matter what angle you come from, winning your provincial crown is more prestigious than winning the league, that's just the way the cookie crumbles in the world of gaelic football, I would rather have been beaten by Tyrone a couple of weeks ago that losing to Westmeath on the June 1st.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying, and I agree to a certain extent, but unless they combine the two competitions, Championship will always be more important. As a player, the league meant nothing to us compared to the Leinster championship!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 12/05/2013 15:44:24    1382515

Capitalist, ask any former or past player which they would rather have, a league medal or a leinster?
Think we all know the answer

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/05/2013 16:02:46    1382525

Capitalist
County: Dublin
Posts: 11

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The league these days is of much more importance than any provincial championship. In the 1st div are pretty much all the best teams in the country, and it's a proper test over at least 9 games. SInce the advent of the qualifiers, 3 teams have won the All-I a total of 5 times without winning their province, and Dublin have won Leinster 7 times in 16 years but only one All-I (and one league) in the same period. QED

Rubbish. I don't know about the other provinces but I can assure you that any Ulster county will take an Ulster title long before the league. As competitions, they are not even in the same ballpark. The pathetic crowds that attended the League finals & semifinals tells me that the other provinces feel the same way

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/05/2013 16:08:03    1382529