Dublin gfans need to be realistic here

Despite what your told by certain memeber of the county board or the press we are not falling over top class hurlers in this county, yes we have come on in regards to a team winning a feile every couple of years or a colleges team going well or a few minor and u21 titles. Thats all greta but does not mean a thing towards senior success.

Look at our clubs. Boden won 5 in a row have nearly a full county panel there but could not win a leinster, dont think a Dublin club has since Crumlin around 1980. Wehn we have clubs who can go and beat Offaly and Kilkenny clubs on a yearly basis maybe then we can expect success at senior county.

I think Daly is taking a lot of knocking here unfailry. We got above ourselves last year becasaue of 2011. This year we got objective 1 out of the way win 1b. Sunday was a poor showing but were we ever going to beat them? Stories of a week long training camp before it didnt help and maybe Daly could hold his hand up there?

Lets get through the summer and see where we are at

And out of interest who out there do ye all wnat to come in and push us on?

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 23/04/2013 13:03:34    1372284

perfect10
County: Wexford
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hill16no1man where there is a will there is a way with dual players.Cadogan,Lee Chin,etc prove that where both managers want it to work it can be done.
But only when BOTH managers agree it is feasible.

cadogan ended up having to choose one and with all due respect wexford dont have the panel in football dublin have that is why if kilkenny or costello were missing training sessions we have guys who are training and just as good and will take their place in the team and panel instead.after all it was kilkenny and costello and lowndes who CHOOSE THEMSELVES to play football only not jim gavin or anthony daly.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2013 13:03:45    1372286

LohansRedHelmet
County: Clare
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Dublin don't have the players IMO! Fans were going to turn on him free the league win as expectation became unrealistic..

they have for most part the same panle as that that one the league yet he cannot get them to play anywhere near the same level.
that is the managers fault as much as you want to dress it up because he is from clare.he took one step forward in 2009 and two steps back in 2010,took a huge step forward in 2011 and an even bigger step backwards in 2012.these are the facts he has not actually achieved alot managing dublin.there is talent there as is evident from the hard work and coaching at underage level that has been going on long before anthony daly arrived on the scene and we have been among the best at minor and under 21 level over the last number of years yet the fact remains very few of these guys are beeing brought into the panel.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2013 13:08:12    1372288

Team selection has been very poor. In my opinion the team needs to have a stronger spine. Rushe had a few good games at centre-back, but is far more suited to the forward line or midfield. Likewise Keaney could be a star at midfield or centr-back. Ryan O'Dwyer needs to be at full forward or centre forward to give them more physical presence there. McCaffrey gets shunted around the team but is best at midfield I think. Something like this I think would be a big improvement, with a stronger spine to the team, players lining out in positions I think would suit them better.

1. Maguire
2. Corcoran
3. Shutte
4. Gough
5. Kelly
6. Boland
7. Durkin
8. Keaney
9. McCaffrey
10. McCormack
11. Rushe
12. Sutcliffe
13. Treacy
14. O'Dwyer
15. Ryan

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2575 - 23/04/2013 14:24:47    1372333

I think Daly has shown commendable determination to stick with Dublin after it has gotten a bit difficult. It would have been tempting for him to walk away and try to claim credit for bringing them a league title, etc. and go on looking for the next thing on his managerial CV.

Instead he has rolled up his sleeves and is trying to push them further after the setbacks of last year. The Dublin hurling development project was never going to run completely smoothly. The other top top counties have been playing hurling at a high level for a long time. That Daly has shown the commitment to stick around for the long haul should show the players (and the FODH) that he still believes in them and what they are trying to achieve.

I can understand supporters getting impatient but really his presence should improve Dublin in the long run. I'm sure he won't lose too much sleep if that means he has to take a bit of stick for things not progressing fast enough in the meantime.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 23/04/2013 14:38:30    1372343

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County: Kildare
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I think Daly has shown commendable determination to stick with Dublin after it has gotten a bit difficult. It would have been tempting for him to walk away and try to claim credit for bringing them a league title, etc. and go on looking for the next thing on his managerial CV.

Instead he has rolled up his sleeves and is trying to push them further after the setbacks of last year. The Dublin hurling development project was never going to run completely smoothly. The other top top counties have been playing hurling at a high level for a long time. That Daly has shown the commitment to stick around for the long haul should show the players (and the FODH) that he still believes in them and what they are trying to achieve.

I can understand supporters getting impatient but really his presence should improve Dublin in the long run. I'm sure he won't lose too much sleep if that means he has to take a bit of stick for things not progressing fast enough in the meantime.

thats the thing do looking in from the outside most people are crediting daly with a league title and developing dublin when the fact is dublin were on the up in the the two previous years before he arrived we had been beaten by a puck of aball and drew wexford and had been devloping and coaching long before daly had arrived on the senior managers job.
your missing the point as to why things are going wrong,its down to him in essence he has no plan b in matches at all last year and he heaped unbelivable pressure on himself and the team before the kilkenny game by basically dismissing the league and concentrating on that match which ultimatly backfired big time instead of coming into that game under the radar and reparing quietly he was in the papers every second day talking the team up and let his players do the same,you couldnt open a paper last year and not see an interview with ryan o dwyer or liam rushe.shay boland has delivered most of the team from minors through to senior and got the minors to the all ireland final the last two years he knows everything about dublin club hurling scene and knows the talent coming through and should have been the man appointed to the senior job last october when he stepped down from his role with the minors.
instead now we are set back another year this year and the rate at which we are decreasing is alarming that relatively the same bunch of players could push tipp all the way in an all ireland semi final less then two years ago now cant even be competitive against the same opposition

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2013 14:55:52    1372361

icehonesty

this for me would be our strongest line up
1 g.maguire
2 n.corcoran
3 s.hiney
4 o.gough
5 s.durkin
6 j.boland
7 p.kelly
8 j.mccafrey
9 c.keeney
10 d.tracey
11 r.o dwyer
12 d.sutcliffe
13 d.o callaghan
14 l.rushe
15 p.ryan

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2013 14:58:02    1372362

Probably..... but anthony will stay until the money dries up

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 23/04/2013 17:12:57    1372456

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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shay boland,he has worked with most of the layers threw minor level got them to all ireland finals and can blood new players.
should have been put in the senior job this year instead of under 21 job after he left the minors

True enough the continuation from underage to senior seems to be working pretty well for the footballers and Jim Gavin alright. Maybe there's a case for saying this year came a bit too soon for Farrell and his minor teams regarding the under 21's too.

At the same time though the players who will be under 21 this year and next will certainly benefit from Boland being in charge there, the continuation and familiarity with the set up should help a lot of players make the step up in grade more efficiently. After a year or so in charge of the under 21's surely Boland would then be favourite for the senior job if it were to become available?

Daly definitely benefited from the years of hard work carried out at underage levels, with development programmes and the like, but he also had the right mental and organisational approach to things (or seemed to from the outside at least), and the structure and culture he helped create at senior level should help Dublin in the long term even if he isn't the man to lead them.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 23/04/2013 18:24:31    1372529

hill16no1man




cadogan ended up having to choose one and with all due respect wexford dont have the panel in football dublin have that is why if kilkenny or costello were missing training sessions we have guys who are training and just as good and will take their place in the team and panel instead.after all it was kilkenny and costello and lowndes who CHOOSE THEMSELVES to play football only not jim gavin or anthony daly.

You are right about players eventually having to choose. The thing is if they were playing both, they might eventually choose hurling as Dublin may end up with a better chance of winning the hurling than the football (who knows??). I am 100% agreement with perfect 10. If there is a will, there is a way. Dublin might have a stronger panel than Wexford but hardly much stronger than Cork and Cadogan and all the players before him were facilitated by good relationships between both trainers that allowed players to do both.

That said, if the players absolutely did not want to play hurling then all of this is mute.Best of luck to them. Pity for Dublin though.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/04/2013 11:21:48    1372745

exactly bennybunny the players themselves choose to play football only,they obviously prefer football.
its not all a one way street conal keeney left the footballers for the hurlers missing out on an all ireland medal likewise shane ryan
(who was wasted left sitting on the bench with the hurlers)

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2013 12:08:49    1372783

Would Conal Keaney have been on the team when Dublin won the All-Ireland?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/04/2013 12:11:50    1372785

LohansRedHelmet
County: Clare
Posts: 845

1372275 Dublin don't have the players IMO! Fans were going to turn on him free the league win as expectation became unrealistic
I'd agree with the first part i.e. we don't have the players, the fact we won league just made the disappointment worse. I think Day would be first to admit he can't do much more. A few of his players prefered a spot on a football bench to actually playing hurling.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 24/04/2013 12:59:05    1372840

id say he would have had a simliar role to mcmanoman as an impact sub in 2011.
You also have to admire pat gilroy as keeney approached him and told him he was asked to join the hurling panel by daly and gilroy had a good chat with him and told him he was not going to be guaranteed a start for the footballers and he knew he wanted to go back hurling at some stage in his carear and told him this is probably the right time to do it while he still had a few years left to give it his all.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2013 14:02:44    1372893

Had he been guaranteed a starting role (well there are never guarantees but 'guaranteed' in the Bernard or Alan Brogan sense)then I imagine he would have stayed playing football I suppose. Shane Ryan also joined the hurling panel later in his GAA life..I don't blame them for that. It is certainly more glamorous playing with the footballers. If in the morning, Dublin could pick any 15 players (including those that have chosen the football route - ie Tomas Brady, Ciaran Kilkenny etc), what would they be? (as a matter of interest)..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/04/2013 17:29:21    1373113

1 g.maguire
2 e.lowndes
3 t.brady
4 s.hiney
5 r.o carroll
6 j.boland
7 p.kelly
8 d.connolly
9 c.keeney
10 c.costello
11 c.kilkenny
12 d.sutcliffe
13 a.mcrabbe
14 l.rushe
15 p.ryan

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2013 17:53:44    1373139

Tipp, KK, Cork!.....leaving aside these obvious three:

Somebody please point out to me a county from all the rest that actually does consistantly win an AI say every 5 years!!..........you cant!!..........now go back and ask yourself how easy it is to make a 'breakthrough' from scratch to top flite hurling, when the limericks, galways and wexfords of this world go 15 - 20 years between AI's and they are long established hurling counties! Even Tipp have had 10-20 year gaps!

End of discussion!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 25/04/2013 11:00:57    1373419

Dual players generally go with the higher profile code in their county, regardless of which they "prefer". Then again, in counties like Clare & Galway the east/west hurling/football club divide usually decides the issue.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 25/04/2013 11:57:10    1373467

theres plenty of guys on the minor hurling teams over the past two years who arent being brought into senior panel and not becuase of football.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2013 12:34:43    1373498

I just can't understand why daly won't play peter kelly full back. The guy scored two points from there in an AI semi final and was nominated for an all star there but instead full back has become a question mark on this team. Makes no sense to me. What's even more puzzling is that if you're not going to play kelly there then play him in the half back line, not corner back!!!!

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 27/04/2013 12:06:49    1374647