Dublin has probably its most talented bunch of hurlers in recent history. There has been much investment in the small ball game in the city and more and more youngsters are playing the game. Things have not gone too well on the field of play in recent times however. The first game against Limerick and that hammering at the hands of Tipp yesterday. Anthony Daly has invested much work and long hours into the cause. He is extremely popular and a quality coach. But one wonders has he brought the Sky Blue hurlers as far as he can and is it time for a new manager to give fresh impetus?

Auldfella (Meath) - Posts: 472 - 22/04/2013 16:47:08    1371868

maybe,but I still think Dublin are better than yesterday,they like the rest in 1B struggle against the top teams though.the day the blew up against Limerick was a result which they have struggled to come back from,dont know what year it was.

having said that,i'll be delighted if we put the final nail in dalo's coffin in 6 weeks time.but i doubt we will.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/04/2013 16:52:42    1371874

and they peaked in winning the NHL 2012 - a level they won't get back to, I think

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3251 - 22/04/2013 16:56:42    1371877

Yeap is the answer. Said it last year. Seems to concentrate on the pyhsical and the fitness too much!

Hurling skills wise think have have gone back under Dalo in the last two years!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/04/2013 17:58:44    1371928

Auldfella
County: Meath
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1371868 Dublin has probably its most talented bunch of hurlers in recent history. There has been much investment in the small ball game in the city and more and more youngsters are playing the game. Things have not gone too well on the field of play in recent times however. The first game against Limerick and that hammering at the hands of Tipp yesterday. Anthony Daly has invested much work and long hours into the cause. He is extremely popular and a quality coach. But one wonders has he brought the Sky Blue hurlers as far as he can and is it time for a new manager to give fresh impetus?

1 Dublin hurlers who have recieved great coaching and would be rightly regarded as talented hurlers who the hurlers need coming through are with the footballers this year.
kilkenny, congaile,costello,lowndes and tomas brady has left also.
2 I dont buy into Daly is a quality coach. he instilled great belief at the start and we were fired up for league in 2011 and because of a hunger they pressed hard and got results. I dont think tactilly he is great and some players positions are a mystery.
Im very thankful for 2011, and hope im wrong and we have a good championship , but for me their is too many alarm bells going off,
Having said all that there is players just not good enough on the team.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 22/04/2013 17:59:37    1371930

disagree with the whole elemant of the thread.
daly has not brought dublin anywhere he happened to reap the reward of a decade of underage development that started loong before he came on the seen and was clearly beginning to show at senior level in the 2 years before he was with dublin.
I dont think he has done a great job each year we have progressed the following year we have taken a giant step backwards.
he has only won 3 big championship matches in his time with dublin.
beating wexford in 2009
beating galway and limerick in 2011.
it has been clear to see that both wexford and limerick have dropped way down the hurling ladder also in that time.
he should have been axed last year like any other manager would have been had they only won one game all year(laois).

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/04/2013 18:02:38    1371932

Skill wise Dublin were very poor against Tipp,the year in Div 1B brought them backwards even more,after beating Limerick it looks like we are on a hiding to nothing against Tipp.Daly has done his best but a fresh voice is needed with new and different ideas.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 22/04/2013 18:50:12    1371979

Daly should have went last october..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 22/04/2013 19:29:36    1372014

Daly has done his best, but I agree he has brought the team as far as he can!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/04/2013 19:30:58    1372016

Who do people reckon could take them further if Daly isn't the man for the job?

It's always going to be hard to challenge the likes of Kilkenny, Tipp, Cork and Galway on a regular basis, and change for the sake of change is hardly the best way to go about things is it?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 22/04/2013 19:34:42    1372021

Im sure McGeeney will prove that for you Mr.doubt eh!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/04/2013 20:14:20    1372039

but lads i find it hard to believe that Dublin are still apparently so far off the pace.i hope I'm wrong but asking hurlingdub etc a question-is the whole dublin hurling project starting to come apart at the seams?
it's over 10 years since serious money started to be pumped into hurling in the capital - why still no result of it? i accept that it takes 15-20 years to take a county from scratch to being competitive at the top level but Dublin werent coming from that much of a low.
and before the "were ahead of Wexford" replies,i know only too well you are!
my own thoughts were last year that the Dublin hurlers were built like rugby league players rather than hurlers,and unfortunately they got the balance wrong and were blown out the gate by kilkenny.has dalo not learned from this?if he hasn't well it is hard to see how a p45 could not be issued.
to be fair,i cant help sympathise with the Dublin hurling fraternity,because a sounder bunch you'll never meet at a match.
finally,i'd be fairly sure that they will beat Wexford and maybe that'll be the bounce back they need.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/04/2013 21:10:17    1372070

perfect10,

Here is a question I might actually pose in its own thread:

'Why can no county break-into big time hurling from nothing'?!

Points and examples upon which the above is based:

1. Wexford, Offaly, Clare, Limerick of the 90's!.....Proof that you can have a good spell then virtually disappear for 20 years!
2. Dublin....proof that you can build up over 10-15 years in a football stronghold to the highest levels but not be quite good enough!
3. Galway....proof that (yes, apart from last yr) you can have a savage club scene yet in all those years have the most hot and cold county team ever known come championship!
4. Antrim.....got to an AI 30 years ago, but absolutely stationary ever since!
5. Laois....once upon a time were a hurling county first and foremost!
6. Waterford.....thereabouts, but you never got a feeling they could win an AI!

......you will note that the above counties will always 'move and shake' a bit and cause an odd shock and an upset and have a good spell etc etc (I am speaking in general terms so dont bite my head off)....but....none of them have ever managed to really and truly become a consistantly good team winning an AI every 4-5 years!

So there it is!.....thats how hard it is with hurling.....you just dont get a team coming through from being average in hurling to being very good all the time!!

In other words.....show me a hurling equivalent to tyrone football!!!!......came from being average with no AI to winning a few over a decade and now are always at the business end of the season!

There you have it!.......Enticing a county towards coming good in hurling is a lifetime/generational thing and not just a 10-15 year 'project'!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/04/2013 21:42:53    1372099

if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
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1372021
Who do people reckon could take them further if Daly isn't the man for the job?

shay boland,he has worked with most of the layers threw minor level got them to all ireland finals and can blood new players.
should have been put in the senior job this year instead of under 21 job after he left the minors

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/04/2013 21:51:14    1372105

This is a question rather than a point. To what degree did Pat Gilroy (or Jim Gavin currently) work with Anthony Daly in regards allowing dual players to play both? It is very difficult for a dual player anyway and it is hard for anybody to keep going long term. IN Cork, Eoin Cadogan was given every chance to combine both. Brian Corcoran, Diarmuid O Sullivan, Kieran Murphy, Timmy McCarthy etc were also given plenty of time in the past to try both and eventually they decided on one. Is this happening in Dublin? I heard stories of guys that are training with the Dublin footballers (on extended panel) that are good hurlers but don't play (don't know how through it is). If Dublin had Ciaran Kilkenny, Rory O Carrol, Tomas Brady etc available to them they would be a serious outfit. Daly can only work with what he has available. I hope Dublin get back to 2011 levels. The sport needs them or somebody like them.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/04/2013 10:17:52    1372163

Good point, Benny. Young Costello is a serious prospect too but also with the footballers. Personally, I thought Daly should've stepped down after last season.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/04/2013 11:32:17    1372209

watching Dublin hurl is painful as they seem so often to be bereft of the most basic skills. How often a Dub under pressure fails to pick the ball up or how often under pressure they put their pass over the end line or sideline. And the wide tallys are very poor. You see a decent Tipp, Galway hurler and they rarely if ever fail to execute a pick up under pressure, i have seen more Dubs knock a ball on instead of performing a basic pick up when under pressure.
Thats their biggest failing, their lack of basic skill when under pressure
That and consistently misfiring forwards.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 23/04/2013 11:50:13    1372224

bennybunny
County: Cork
Posts: 1656

1372163
This is a question rather than a point. To what degree did Pat Gilroy (or Jim Gavin currently) work with Anthony Daly in regards allowing dual players to play both? It is very difficult for a dual player anyway and it is hard for anybody to keep going long term. IN Cork, Eoin Cadogan was given every chance to combine both. Brian Corcoran, Diarmuid O Sullivan, Kieran Murphy, Timmy McCarthy etc were also given plenty of time in the past to try both and eventually they decided on one. Is this happening in Dublin? I heard stories of guys that are training with the Dublin footballers (on extended panel) that are good hurlers but don't play (don't know how through it is). If Dublin had Ciaran Kilkenny, Rory O Carrol, Tomas Brady etc available to them they would be a serious outfit. Daly can only work with what he has available. I hope Dublin get back to 2011 levels. The sport needs them or somebody like them.

i would love to see dual players playing for both as it would be great to see,but in the era we are in the training and time demands is not making it possible.If you take costello or kilkenny yeah im sure at their age their bodys could handle it but you also have to look at the view of both are trying to break into the football team so if they are not there at all the sessions and you have guys who are there and putting in the effort their chance of playing is going to be reduced its common sense.I dont think duel players could play league anyway as alot of games clashes the championship would actualy be a bit easier to accomadate as alot of times they are not on the same week so it would make it that bit easier but if you are playing one code for the league your not going to get to play both codes come championship.
also they are only 3 or 4 players you mentioned,what about the succesful minor teams of the past two years and the under 21 teams daly has not brough hardly any of these players through and played them.sutcliffe,dillon and mcmorrow aside your looking at a lot of guys who are not being given a go at senior level.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2013 11:58:55    1372233

hill16no1man where there is a will there is a way with dual players.Cadogan,Lee Chin,etc prove that where both managers want it to work it can be done.
But only when BOTH managers agree it is feasible.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/04/2013 12:40:37    1372268

Dublin don't have the players IMO! Fans were going to turn on him free the league win as expectation became unrealistic..

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 23/04/2013 12:52:04    1372275