well, by aggregate, Kildare win. they lost by 25 in the hurling (7-16 to 1-9). which is by far and away a much better result than 2-29 to 0-1. So those using the absolutely ridiculous point of excusing the Kilkenny performance on the basis that they would dole out a similar score if they played in hurling were, and are wrong. Kildare make a decent stab at hurling, even if their county board do not support them in the way they should with regards to funding and just basic respect. Its still not great, and I'm sure the Kildare lads wont take any solace out of it, but at least they made an effort and had some good results already this year. small steps and all that. At least there are steps.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 18/05/2013 16:02:57    1386224

delighted to see kildare put in a better result in hurling thenb kilkenny did in the football just to shut the people up who have been saying kilkenny would probably double what kildare footballers won by.
now finally people might take their heads out of the sand and do something about it instead of harping on about hurling reflections in kilkenny it is not and wont do football any good in the county to ignore the problem

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/05/2013 16:31:43    1386243

Very true hill16no1man

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3070 - 18/05/2013 16:38:13    1386249

the biggest problem i have with kilkenny football is that they are so poor compared to eveyone else! while there is huge gap in hurling from top to bottom, u dont see any team take the sort of hammerings kilkenny get in football in any of the hurling league games!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 19/05/2013 12:19:20    1386462

I played in a Game once against the best team in Kerry at U 15 level which included MF Russell, we didn't score that day, we were a Div 3 team and they were in Div 1. Believe or not we made the county final the following year at Div 3. The standard between the two divs was huge.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 19/05/2013 12:37:36    1386471

I can say as a Kilkenny man I couldn't give a damn about football and how we do in it. I would be of the opinion at least that the vast majority of people I know who follow the club couldn't give a toss about it either. That attitude is never going to change either. We can promote football, we can be forced to play football, we can be banned from playing hurling until we promote football but it won't change a thing. Football just won't get a look in as long as there is hurling in Kilkenny.

That's not say there isn't football, or interest in football, in Kilkenny, especially at primary school level. There just isn't enough of an interest beyond primary school to play it regularly. Who wants to be the new Bernard Broagn when they can be Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh or JJ Delaney? Young lads in Kilkenny grow up wanting to be Henry, DJ, Tommy et al, you can't beat that type of inspiration and indoctrination of the game of hurling.

Having a pop at Kilkenny hurling because of the state of football is moot as its not going to change a damned thing. The only way Kilkenny will become any good at football is if the young lads want to play it as their first sport, as the one sport to they want succeed in. They do want to play football but only to keep fit for the hurling and even at that a lot of them couldn't be bothered.

Saying Kilkenny should have their funding cut as well makes no sense either. First off Kilkenny are involved in far bigger games than the vast majority of counties in either code, and as a result contribute a serious amount to the coffers. Secondly if you were to cut Kilkenny on that basis, you'd end up cutting the funding of half the other counties who's attitude to hurling is similar to Kilkenny's to football. And last, if funding did get cut, the only thing it would do is kill off any chance whatsoever of football even being played in Kilkenny. And if anyone deserves to have their funding cut its those counties that allow themselves to go into large amounts of debt to have endless amounts of backroom teams at inter-county level, they're far more dangerous to the reputation and financial stability of the association than Kilkenny.

Essentially it comes down to choice, individually and collectively. Do you want to play hurling or football? For every young lad in Kilkenny the answer is hurling. Ditto for every club, hurling is the only option because its the only game people want to play or follow. Hurling is the lifeblood of the clubs in Kilkenny, its where they get their money from. And with the club scene in Kilkenny being a high standard, and generates a huge amount of money for the county board (and therefore the clubs) because of the crowds it draws. Carrickshock and Fenians played yesterday, 2700 people combined in both parishes, yet about 1000 at the match. That's an interest and support football will never garner in Kilkenny.

I'm not saying we couldn't do better, I'll accept its a massive failure on our part in terms of promotion of football. But I also know it will never work even if we did, not when young lads only want to grow up playing hurling, only want to grow up being the new Henry or DJ. Football will never be better in Kilkenny, as long as we have hurling in Kilkenny, we just quite simply want to hurlers more than anything.

dblackandamber (Kilkenny) - Posts: 92 - 19/05/2013 12:45:09    1386479

So now losing by 34 points is considered a disgrace and losing by 25 points is considered putting in an effort. That's funny alright. I don't think people are comparing like for like here. If Kilkenny's best 15 minor footballers trained hard and played that game the margin wouldn't of been as bad. Whereas I'm sure that was Kildares best 15 minor hurlers and they were still hammered. I know plenty of Kilkenny lads that are tasty footballers but the interest just isn't there.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 19/05/2013 13:11:24    1386496

Faithfull
County: Offaly
Posts: 286

1386496
So now losing by 34 points is considered a disgrace and losing by 25 points is considered putting in an effort. That's funny alright. I don't think people are comparing like for like here. If Kilkenny's best 15 minor footballers trained hard and played that game the margin wouldn't of been as bad. Whereas I'm sure that was Kildares best 15 minor hurlers and they were still hammered. I know plenty of Kilkenny lads that are tasty footballers but the interest just isn't there

thats the point kilkenny arent putting the effort in.
34 points in football is much bigger margin then 25 points in hurling and you know full well its easier to clock up bigger scores in hurling then football.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/05/2013 13:23:02    1386502

Kilkenny Minors also made several changes to the team from the last day including resting many of their best players...several of them have been hurling since last summer between minor panels last year, schools matches and club games at senior u21 and minor without a break...naturally with no chance of Kildare causing an upset they were given a well earned rest to recover from any niggling injuries etc...god help Kildare if Kilkenny had put their full strength team out if half a team can dish out A 25 POINT BEATING

halfwit (Laois) - Posts: 2 - 19/05/2013 13:28:01    1386506

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 4445

1386502
Faithfull
County: Offaly
Posts: 286

1386496
So now losing by 34 points is considered a disgrace and losing by 25 points is considered putting in an effort. That's funny alright. I don't think people are comparing like for like here. If Kilkenny's best 15 minor footballers trained hard and played that game the margin wouldn't of been as bad. Whereas I'm sure that was Kildares best 15 minor hurlers and they were still hammered. I know plenty of Kilkenny lads that are tasty footballers but the interest just isn't there

thats the point kilkenny arent putting the effort in.
34 points in football is much bigger margin then 25 points in hurling and you know full well its easier to clock up bigger scores in hurling then football.

The football match between the two counties was also played on a pitch that resembled a swimming pool and Kildare held a lot of their better players back on the bench knowing that the subs would win easily anyway. Their are clubs in Kildare that are making a big effort to promote hurling but it's unreasonable to expect them to compete with the likes of Kilkenny given their tradition and resources.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 19/05/2013 13:39:52    1386510

This forum is redundant. People kick up a fuss about Kilkenny not playing football. They are the greatest hurling team Ever. Their players are artists. Look at all the counties that concentrate solely on football and win nothing. I posted this comment before but people here dont read.

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 19/05/2013 13:54:04    1386516