http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=189742

For those questioning Andy Kettle

Have a read of his statement

I think he's very straight forward here, given the information he had at hand at that time

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 15:33:20    1369874

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1369873 jimbodub
Seriously lads...
This thread will get very full on when Kevin O'Brien wins his appeal

Why? Nobody is saying that he is going to be found guilty in the appeal. I dont see what 'I told you sos' you can muster from this thread.
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We'll just see about that themaster.. ;)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 15:35:56    1369877

Furthermore, would you agree that whoever sunk their teeth into Paddy McBrearty, should be man enough to own up?

Exactly. Would every right minded Dublin fan not agree with this?

Forget proof, lack of evidnece etc. Clearly something did happen. I'm not baying for the guy's blood here or anything, but in the GAA we pride ourselves on our values and looking after one another etc. Witness guards of honour country wide at funerals, charity fundraisers, hell - even organ donations recently. All things being decent the guy should just own up.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10375 - 18/04/2013 15:37:44    1369879

All you guys who are saying that there is no evidence or proof & that it is one person's word against another's.
How do you know that is the case? You have no idea what the Cccc had in front of them when they made their decision.
Just because we don't have all the facts doesn't mean they didn't.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 18/04/2013 15:43:24    1369882

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
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1369790 Ok Joxer- fair enough, don't know why you brought up that point though because if we are to do that we will be here all day. This is taken from Irish Times "There is no mention in the GAA's playing rules about how to punish such an offence so it is believed O'Brien has been charged under Rule 5 (aggressive fouls), category III - 5.11 which states: "To inflict injury recklessly on an opponent by means other than those stated above [kick, stamp, strike]."-

It is a shocking act (if guilty) , Look lads, McBrearty would not have made it up. It would almost be impossible though to spot a biting incident as it would happen in 2 seconds. They did not want to name initially because of the hassle with it ( now look whats happening).

Having played the game, I have seen and got abuse from opponents, pulling, dragging, spitting ( ALL OF WHICH ARE S**M), I have never heard of biting though. Who came out and actually named the player because Donegal stated they would not do so


Brought it up because of evidence Therightstuff. Boyle's cowardly act was witnessed by millions, the Dublin player's by nobody. I understand the CCCC's recommendation of a 3 game ban. I think the recommendation for category 3 is a 2 game ban though and that they have upped it.

I played the game a lot myself, to a reasonable standard, and having played games in areas of Dublin where there are more horses than people I have seen a lot worse than bruising or grazing or whatever it is that McBrearty got. However, the act of biting is not to be condoned. Animals bite! A lot of questions to be answered on both sides though. It's all very sloppy!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 18/04/2013 15:48:21    1369886

Muckross it could be turned straight on it's head. Whats to say that they did have proof? What makes me think they are going with one mans word over anothers is because they aren't making any of the evidence public. There is no transparrency here.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/04/2013 15:50:54    1369888

At the end of the day there is plenty left to play out regarding this sorry...

You can't have lads biting on the pitch, and if there is proof and it can be backed up then he deserves his ban

But if there's no proof, you can't ban someone... sorry but that's a basic requirement of being able to punish someone. Proof.

According to the CCCC anyway that's a 3 match ban. That's the reality of it and well they are the ones with the rule book.

The outrage seen on this thread is obviously not shared by the CCCC or in fact the rule book. 3 match ban. There you have it...

Will that be good enough for some? I doubt it and I thought myself it would be more severe... but hey 3 games it is.

Either way we have plenty of players that will take O'Brien's place and for me that's the ultimate punishment for him.

If that's the way you're going to conduct yourself we have another 5 lads that will gladly take your place... it's an ugly story.

Personally I think he has a very good chance of winning his appeal though...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 15:51:42    1369889

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
Posts: 2726

1369879 Furthermore, would you agree that whoever sunk their teeth into Paddy McBrearty, should be man enough to own up?

Exactly. Would every right minded Dublin fan not agree with this?

Forget proof, lack of evidnece etc. Clearly something did happen. I'm not baying for the guy's blood here or anything, but in the GAA we pride ourselves on our values and looking after one another etc. Witness guards of honour country wide at funerals, charity fundraisers, hell - even organ donations recently. All things being decent the guy should just own up.
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but in the GAA we pride ourselves on our values

Absolutley. I think thats a very important thing in all this.. you cant condone such actions

No Dub poster has done so, as far as I can see... but there is more to play out here and until this is 100% resolved, the true and decent thing to do is give everyone an equal chance of putting their story forward.

He has an appeal coming up so he's obviously not going to "come clean"

Obviously he feels he's done nothing wrong... so you're calling for something that isnt going to happen.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 15:59:38    1369896

JimboboDub, if the lad gets off from the CCC Appeals committee then the Dublin county board should suspend the lad from first team affairs for the rest of the campaign. In doing this the county board would be sending out a strong message of zero tolerance on this kind of behaviour.

kerry74 (Kerry) - Posts: 1354 - 18/04/2013 16:01:36    1369897

"First of all, was there an incident?"

Jimbo, basically he is saying the guy could be making it all up, and that was his opening statement... If that were me he was talking about I wouldnt be too impressed.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/04/2013 16:14:40    1369906

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EVERYTHING I predicted about this incident has played out exactly as I said it would. I have no grind about Dublin, indeed I have often spoken out in their favour, BUT there are elements within the GAA, media and within Dublin GAA circles who deliberately played this incident down and tried to get it shoved off the agenda BECAUSE it was Dublin. This has been a particularly shabby period for the GAA who, because of delays and non naming of players, have allowed a vacuum to fester where people will make up their own minds and come to their own conclusions. As some have also said many Dublin posters on HS have tried to make light of this, have badmouthed Donegal and their fans (and others like me) and who just won't accept or allow ANY negativie publicity regarding Dublin WHETHER fact or faction.

Bit like yourself whenever the shoe is on the other foot

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 18/04/2013 16:15:18    1369907

Haven't read this thread in ages but I have to say the main reason I believed this incident occured was due to the number of Dublin posters who stated it did. Like I say I haven't read back all the posts but it is curious that it is now being denied.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 18/04/2013 16:15:22    1369908

kerry74
County: Kerry
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1369897 JimboboDub, if the lad gets off from the CCC Appeals committee then the Dublin county board should suspend the lad from first team affairs
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But if theres no proof? How can they do that...

PS I agree but if there's no proof...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 16:17:05    1369910

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1369906 "First of all, was there an incident?"

Jimbo, basically he is saying the guy could be making it all up, and that was his opening statement... If that were me he was talking about I wouldnt be too impressed.
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No completely taken completely out of context.

How can he comment on an incident he knows nothing about. His statement is clear to see.. at that time he knew very little and learned of the incident over the radio. No official contact. No official contact = no incident to investigate

He based his views on what he knew and again that is all very clear in the statement.

It's wrong of you to post once sentence and take it out of the context that it was meant to serve.

It's there in black and white for all to see... it's up to the individual to read it before making such sweeping comments.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 16:23:47    1369913

Breffni39
County: Cavan
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1369908 Haven't read this thread in ages but I have to say the main reason I believed this incident occured was due to the number of Dublin posters who stated it did. Like I say I haven't read back all the posts but it is curious that it is now being denied.


Think the discussion has moved on considerably from "did it happen" to "yes something happened but can you punish somebody without sufficient proof". I don't think anybody is denying that something happened but more a case of can you punish somebody with insufficient proof?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 18/04/2013 16:36:05    1369920

Sure let's just see what happens...

When it comes down to it.. either he wins his appeal or serves 3 games at home

That's the end conclusion. I think some of the condemnation at this stage is pure personal opinion

and basing it on the CCCC's current stance is quite obviously well over the top...

You're entitled to it of course but it has zero reflection on the eventual outcome.

3 game ban or free to play...

At least that is known now which has def answered some of the questions...

Lets see what happens next..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 16:37:11    1369922

Do you think the medical staff of Letterkenny hospital would give him a tetanus shot and antibiotics if it wasn't a bite? Also the CCC have made their decision based on photographic evidence of a bite, and a report from the hospital. This is not a grey area, its set in stone.

Its the CCC pushing for this not Donegal GAA, who have not name the player or even filed a complaint. Donegal are preparing for the championship with a tough game against Tyrone, it is not their job to discipline the Dublin players when they step out of line.

I don't think anyone cares about the length of the suspension, its down to decency.

SeanieSense (Donegal) - Posts: 328 - 18/04/2013 16:40:51    1369924

Ok, looking beyond the narrative of events and whatever happened and whatever will happen. This is a BALLS for both sets of players, county boards and supporters. It is going to leave a bitter taste to all whom ive mentioned. I think BOTH sets of county boards have handled this wrong. Dublin should come out with what they know (if knowledge is there) and Donegal should of not come out with half a story on this ( like waiting over a week to come out with details). Id say this is the last thing the two Jim's want right now. It going to build up a huge media attention and as we all know, they are the most powerful members of society.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 18/04/2013 16:47:42    1369929

I knew Kevin O'Brien was the alleged culprit. I as a Dublin fan being completely biased am finding it very difficult to accept, However i did say if any Dublin player os found guilty he should not wear the jersey again, In retrospect i think thats a little harsh when you consider players having their jaws broken etc in a game have only had 1 year bans. I dont think a bite is as bad as leaving your opponent with a broken jaw but it is a very stupid, disgusting thuggish thing to do but in the heat of the moment anyone is capable of a moment of weakness sadly Kevin was a victim in this case and Paddy McBrearty a bigger victim.. Its no excuse i know that, I would impose a very long ban from football for Kev. He is a lovely fella and genuine. Its sad that this has happened whatever way you look at it but what he has done is unacceptable in any walk of line, Any sport

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 18/04/2013 16:48:43    1369931

SeanieSense
County: Donegal
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1369924 Do you think the medical staff of Letterkenny hospital would give him a tetanus shot and antibiotics if it wasn't a bite? Also the CCC have made their decision based on photographic evidence of a bite, and a report from the hospital. This is not a grey area, its set in stone.



On that basis it sounds like it alright.

3 game ban so...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 16:49:51    1369932