29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
ormondbannerman, What has your fathers ear to the floor got to do with your insightful knowledge? The simple fact is living in Dublin is a far different world experience to the floor your fathers ear is pressed to.
He when we lived in Dublin was on the committee of a club based in Dublin 4. Between him and myself we know a lot in regard to issues like this through friends etc. So for somebody who's on a rant about the people in rugby schools or attended them. wind your neck in
29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
Catholic Fee paying schools (along with the Protestant variety) don't allow GAA sport in Dublin as an active policy. The female variety would rather they played fencing than camogie. First years MUST play Rugby and in Girls schools Hockey - end off. And since oh about 80% of private schools are in Dublin its primarily a Dublin issue not a Munster one. Of course a few provincial schools decide to play Rugby - big deal, with the snobbery and class structures associated wearing particular ties it won't get them very far.
which schools in Dublin don't allow hurling/football???
Cause blackrock, michaels and several catholic fee paying schools do allow gaa sport and compete against each other in competitions.
Nothing wrong with first years having to play rugby. That doesn't stop them from playing other sports.
29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
Just a small selection of schools some of which have more pupilss in first year than some counties. St Conleths College, St Michaels College, Stratford College, The High School, St Marys College, Gonzaga College, Sandford Park School Ltd, Terenure (finally two years ago ALLOWED GAA), Belevedre, Catholic University School, Blackrock College, St Andrews College, Belevedre, Wesley, Gerrards, Newpark Comprehensive School .... I could go on and on. Some of the above are MORE enlightened than others but most are not. Bear in mind the few notable exceptions amongst the GAA apartheid loving schools like St Benildus play Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Basketball etc as do MOST other schools. NOTE SOCCER even in the girls schools, even in the GAA heartlands they play soccer, yet the biggest sport in ALL schools is basketball by choice too and not odious compulsion either. When you wag your finger at us GAA foreign sports haters, when you think about foreign sports you think rugby most think bigger and better ones, basketball and soccer.
Conleths, Stratford College, High School, Sandford all only field at max about 2 maybe 3 teams at any level. So that's false
Terenure has been playing hurling/football for at least a decade after a long time not playing either hurling/football.


29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
With fee paying schools its the compulsary aspect that is MOST reprehensible and obscene, even worse in the "catholic" ones (there's a paradox!). You can't compare a local public school not playing rugby (because A they have no coaches and B no one wants to play it nor do the Rubgy fraternity) with the Badge of dishonour associated with some of the schools above.
Nothing wrong with having a sport as compulsory and its only for a year. Kids are not told to stop playing other sports and can keep up those other sports.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 21:03:08    1358671

29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
How many rugby games promotion officers are in public schools in Dublin? How many? you'll be shocked, bend your dads ear on that one. It just backs up my argument about an elitist sport, with no grassroots based purely on economic factors. However unless it embraces a wider gene pool it will never grow. Soccer, Basketball, GAA, Athletics are all competing for the same players. Compulsion doesn't work never did.
I don't know exactly how many rugby development officers there is. You think il be shocked. why? Do you know how many there is?
There would be a considerable number covering area's where the game is developing at a big rate like tallaght, fingal as well as some who work directly with Dublin city council

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 21:03:27    1358673

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29/03/2013 20:32:30
hill16no1man
this is true pal just because you come out with waffle about your father being this and that means your right and everybody else is wrong does it?
it annoys me how because i paint rugby in a bad light no matter what you have to assume its lies.
Well i am not lying i have been involved in a work capacity with a certain club and am not going to name the club I was involved with for obvious reasons but believe me when I asked was this only happeneing in their club they told me you must be joking that they were only a junior club and if they did not do it the players would go to another club who would.
No what I said is not waffle. Its the truth.
No I don't just assume its lies. Why not name the club and put it out there. Cause otherwise I smell bullshit
Nobody pays kids at u19 level and below. youngest anyone who gets a bit of money from clubs is 18 as they will be playing under 21 rugby or senior adult rugby and


it is not b.s. as you call it.
no i will not name as that would be professional suicide for myself as being from dublin it would be obvious to the club who this poster is if anything was to go back to that club and if as you say your father is mr munster rugby and mr health and safety among every other title he seems to hold,for me to risk that even would be the height of stupidity.believe me or dont believe me i dont really care as no matter what is said in a negative capacity against rugby you always dismiss as lies.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2013 21:17:27    1358679

29/03/2013 17:35:52
uibhfhaili1986
Why are people so obsessed with having a sports tournament here is clearly the country isnt really fit to host such a thing without massive investment , A huge amount of money will be wasted by the government etc doing up stadia that will not be used anywhere near enough to justify such expenditure wouldnt it better to spend zero money on anything and have a shared bid with Scotland and Wales, there would be no cost for either of the 3 countries but big benefits for all 3, if we go it alone we will end up costing ourselves too much money that does not need to be spent.Already the GAA have wasted loads of money on oversized stadia, the governemnt doesn't need to do likewise.
This tournament is a considerable time period away.
Why are people so anti their own stadiums getting money to be done up when so many stadiums badly need to be redeveloped and modernised.
If we did do a shared bid with one of Scotland/wales its not as if we would have no costs. There would still be considerable costs.
No if we go it alone it wouldn't cost ourselves too much.
GAA hasn't wasted loads of money on oversized stadium. which stadiums was money wasted on?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 21:33:02    1358685

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Why are people so anti their own stadiums getting money to be done up when so many stadiums badly need to be redeveloped and modernised.
If we did do a shared bid with one of Scotland/wales its not as if we would have no costs. There would still be considerable costs.
No if we go it alone it wouldn't cost ourselves too much.

No-one is against that, it'd be great to have all the stadiums redeveloped. It'd also be great if none of us had to pay a mortgage or rent. But we do. Money has to come from somewhere. And you just said yourself there would be considerable costs, even for a joint bid. Countries in recessions don't spend that kind of money. Its just a fact of life we have to get used to for the foreseeable future.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/03/2013 21:58:58    1358698

You are waffling ormond and mudding the issue, anyone involved in GAA underage around Limerick has to deal with players being prevented from playing GAA

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 29/03/2013 22:03:04    1358702

These contracts are all great in theory but in reality take away more than they give in the vast majority of cases.

I know one fella personally who got messed around by a certain rugby team - after being prevented from playing gaa - and was left go very quickly.

I know we dont want young lads getting burned out but putting all your eggs in one basket so young is no good either. Less games in all sports are whats needed really and for the schools to seperate the different sporting seasons better

miketyson (Limerick) - Posts: 2748 - 30/03/2013 08:25:07    1358705

I don't know specifically what schools ormend.It didn't say on the homepage.All I know is that anyone who bans kids from playing Gaa should be ashamed of themselves.
Ive always known that we irish have a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to the british,and there is an in built belief among many of us that british is better (although we don't like to admit it) but this is beyond the pale altogether.
How ironc that a race like us who spend so much time giving out about foreigners,then go and ban our own kids from enjoying a part of our own culture.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/03/2013 16:15:49    1358845

And why are you suggesting that theres nothing wrong with first year kids wanting to play rugby?Of course there is.Rugby is a pretty dangerous sport and they shouldn't have to play if they don't want to.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/03/2013 16:21:58    1358849

Make that first year kids HAVING to play rugby.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/03/2013 16:25:16    1358853

30/03/2013 08:25:07
miketyson
These contracts are all great in theory but in reality take away more than they give in the vast majority of cases.
I know one fella personally who got messed around by a certain rugby team - after being prevented from playing gaa - and was left go very quickly.
I know we dont want young lads getting burned out but putting all your eggs in one basket so young is no good either. Less games in all sports are whats needed really and for the schools to seperate the different sporting seasons better
If you want to succeed at any sport you need to be specialising in your mid to late teens and if not in your early 20s.
What age is too young to be "putting your eggs in one basket".
How is less games in all sports whats needed? More games is whats required in many ways with less training sessions especially for kids.
How can schools separate the different sporting seasons better? What do you want to be done to improve things?

30/03/2013 16:15:49
joncarter
I don't know specifically what schools ormend.It didn't say on the homepage.All I know is that anyone who bans kids from playing Gaa should be ashamed of themselves.
Ive always known that we irish have a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to the british,and there is an in built belief among many of us that british is better (although we don't like to admit it) but this is beyond the pale altogether.
How ironc that a race like us who spend so much time giving out about foreigners,then go and ban our own kids from enjoying a part of our own culture.
WHO IS ORMEND?
No schools ban kids from playing GAA. Rugby isn't allowed in as many schools as Hurling/football not allowed.

30/03/2013 16:21:58
joncarter
And why are you suggesting that theres nothing wrong with first year kids wanting to play rugby?Of course there is.Rugby is a pretty dangerous sport and they shouldn't have to play if they don't want to.
Make that first year kids HAVING to play rugby.
Rugby is not that dangerous and Hurling/Gaelic can be as dangerous. Kids don't have to play if they don't want to even if it is compulsory.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/03/2013 17:15:26    1358867

Ormond

Why don't you go on the rugby forum with all the rest of the goys..
I follow rugby in a bandwagon capacity like the other 97% of the country. It is beyond me why the media have such a ''hard on'' for it tbh. I feel that the majorityof sporting grants should be giving to sports who go into all communities and not just privileged ones.

arravale (Tipperary) - Posts: 244 - 30/03/2013 17:24:07    1358870

Well compulsory means they have to play doesn't it? No kid should have to play any sport if they don't want to.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 30/03/2013 17:27:30    1358872

30/03/2013 17:24:07
arravale
Ormond, Why don't you go on the rugby forum with all the rest of the goys..
I follow rugby in a bandwagon capacity like the other 97% of the country. It is beyond me why the media have such a ''hard on'' for it tbh. I feel that the majorityof sporting grants should be giving to sports who go into all communities and not just privileged ones.
Grow up and don't be a censor. I have as much right to use this site as you or anybody else.
Ha 97% go away.
What are insinuating about wrt grants? Rugby does go into all communities and you are very misguided if you think rugby goes primarily into privileged communities
30/03/2013 17:27:30
joncarter
Well compulsory means they have to play doesn't it? No kid should have to play any sport if they don't want to.
Obviously but there would be exceptions made.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/03/2013 17:44:44    1358875