It seems that not content with seeing our native language and music going the way of the dinosaur, a few cretins in Limerick want to kill off our national games too. It appears according to the hoganstand home page that a few Limerick schools have banned their students from playing gaelic games.If this story appeared on Monday I would have assumed it was a bad April fools day joke.
Anyone got any more info on this carry on?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 29/03/2013 10:47:21    1358329

Well if thats how they want to operate then we simply tell them our grounds wont be available to host the rugby world cup. Hit them back where it hurts

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 29/03/2013 11:01:27    1358337

Untrue the schools have football and hurling teams, they just dont want the same kids playing on every team. Many 'Catholic' schools still won't allow students to play 'foreign' sports though unfortunately

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 29/03/2013 11:04:49    1358341

its along standing tradition in limerick,they even pay kids to play rugby at underage levels to stop them playing gaa and this is with junior clubs in the sport.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2013 11:57:37    1358363

The GAA was backward banning people from playing other sports, that we know. But this is a new revelation to me. Paying children to play their own sports and stay away from others? What an open sport to all of every background. Money must not be an issue then. They could use it to build their stadiums for this barely to be attended world cup between the same 8 countries every year, in turn saving the tax payer a fortune for an "investment" that'll never pay back.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 29/03/2013 12:31:23    1358382

Its about schools who play senior cup. 4 schools in Limerick city alone play senior cup rugby so the competition for these players is huge. many of whom come from GAA backgrounds and have taken a liking to rugby in school. Its impacting our minor county teams and the minor championship in general. a few players who play rugby and hurling are being contracted by the munster branch. What is being said is that these contracts are very dubious constricting 17/18/19 year olds from playing any other sport than rugby. I come from a rugby background myself but favour hurling as thankfully im a bit better at it. its a pity as not all these contracted players will play for Munster but yet they are being forced to miss out on Minor and under 21 hurling and football with their clubs and in some cases the county. But as a rugby adn hurling supported it was great to see crescent comp win the senior cup. some lovely hurlers playing on their team too

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 29/03/2013 12:51:06    1358389

bad.monkey
County: USA
Untrue the schools have football and hurling teams, they just dont want the same kids playing on every team. Many 'Catholic' schools still won't allow students to play 'foreign' sports though unfortunately

What does religious denomination have to do with it? Most rugby schools here are catholic schools, Holy Ghost schools etc. I went to one such school, where hurling was actually prohibited, then tentatively permitted, then actively discouraged.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/03/2013 14:51:23    1358469

29/03/2013 10:47:21
joncarter
It seems that not content with seeing our native language and music going the way of the dinosaur, a few cretins in Limerick want to kill off our national games too. It appears according to the hoganstand home page that a few Limerick schools have banned their students from playing gaelic games.If this story appeared on Monday I would have assumed it was a bad April fools day joke.
Anyone got any more info on this carry on?
Anybody know what schools have supposedly banned students from playing hurling/football?
Don't think so. Look at all the rugby schools in Limerick. Ard Scoil Ris certainly do not considering their a harty cup school. Castletroy nope considering they are also a harty cup school. Munchins field teams at all levels in hurling/gaelic

29/03/2013 11:04:49
bad.monkey
Untrue the schools have football and hurling teams, they just dont want the same kids playing on every team. Many 'Catholic' schools still won't allow students to play 'foreign' sports though unfortunately
Exactly. much more schools don't allow rugby and other "foreign" sports be played

29/03/2013 11:57:37
hill16no1man
its along standing tradition in limerick,they even pay kids to play rugby at underage levels to stop them playing gaa and this is with junior clubs in the sport.
This isn't true. Which clubs supposedly do that and for your information my father is involved in munster youths rugby as a committee member and that's nowhere near true. No kids are paid to play rugby at youth rugby levels. There is money at under 21 level and senior adult level(I was paid 20 euro a game at under 21 level 2years ago with a limerick club) but there is no money at under 19 and below

29/03/2013 12:31:23
Bain
The GAA was backward banning people from playing other sports, that we know. But this is a new revelation to me. Paying children to play their own sports and stay away from others? What an open sport to all of every background. Money must not be an issue then. They could use it to build their stadiums for this barely to be attended world cup between the same 8 countries every year, in turn saving the tax payer a fortune for an "investment" that'll never pay back.
Rugby world cup is one of the biggest tournaments in the world. It most certainly is not barely attended.
29/03/2013 12:51:06
Fishermantom
Its about schools who play senior cup. 4 schools in Limerick city alone play senior cup rugby so the competition for these players is huge. many of whom come from GAA backgrounds and have taken a liking to rugby in school. Its impacting our minor county teams and the minor championship in general. a few players who play rugby and hurling are being contracted by the munster branch. What is being said is that these contracts are very dubious constricting 17/18/19 year olds from playing any other sport than rugby. I come from a rugby background myself but favour hurling as thankfully im a bit better at it. its a pity as not all these contracted players will play for Munster but yet they are being forced to miss out on Minor and under 21 hurling and football with their clubs and in some cases the county. But as a rugby adn hurling supported it was great to see crescent comp win the senior cup. some lovely hurlers playing on their team too
Which players are contracted??
Only players who are in Munster academy or sub academy cannot play other sports. You cannot be in secondary school and be in the academy or sub academy

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 15:13:24    1358480

I like rugby but why do the majority of rugby people i.e the school rugby scene gooys have very high opinions of themselves.. You know the kind, loud hollister cladded lads.. highly opinionated especially when stating the aspects of how rugby is the greatest sport in the world and why the rugby world cup will be the be all and end all.. Why are we giving these people a dig out? I agree with the decision but the fact we have to listen to these goys for the next few years sprouting their nonsense is irritating

arravale (Tipperary) - Posts: 244 - 29/03/2013 16:34:34    1358527

I wonder is this just a storm in a tea cup.
Often games clash at underage between different codes.
Could be very simple that Hurling and Rugby games were on same day in different part of county and players were told to choose one or the other,
Or young lads choosing rugby and saying there not allowed play hurling because they havent the b###s to say they dont want to play hurling/football.
It cuts both ways.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 29/03/2013 16:52:34    1358538

29/03/2013 16:34:34
arravale
I like rugby but why do the majority of rugby people i.e the school rugby scene gooys have very high opinions of themselves.. You know the kind, loud hollister cladded lads.. highly opinionated especially when stating the aspects of how rugby is the greatest sport in the world and why the rugby world cup will be the be all and end all.. Why are we giving these people a dig out? I agree with the decision but the fact we have to listen to these goys for the next few years sprouting their nonsense is irritating
Majority of rugby people are not the schools rugby people. Some of those people do have very high opinions of themselves but the behaviour from these people that you are looking down on is the same type of behaviour seen from plenty of people involved in GAA clubs around the country.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 17:03:18    1358545

IT IS A WELL KNOW FACT IN LIMERICK MOSTLY THE CITY THAT PLAYERS THAT ARE INVOLVED ON A SENIOR RUGBY SCHOOL TEAM ARE DISCOURAGED FROM PLAYING WITH THEIR CLUB TEAMS BE IT SOCCER OR HURLING/FOOTBALL.THEY ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THERE OWN RUGBY CLUB.I HAVE SPOKEN TO PARENTS OF THESE KIDS INVOLVED WITH MY OWN GAA CLUB AND WHILE SOME KIDS HAVE NO INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO PLAY HURLING OR SOCCER THERE ARE PLENTY OF KIDS WHO DO BUT FEEL THEY WOULD BE DROPPED OF THEIR SCHOOL PANEL.I HAVE ALSO TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM MY LOCAL RUGBY CLUB WHO HAVE FULL TEAMS FOR LEAGUE MATCHES BUT STRUGGLE TO FIELD A TEAM FOR THE CUP OVER BEING CUP TIED.SOME OF THESE KIDS AT RUGBY PLAYING SCHOOLS ARE BEING PROMISED MUNSTER ACADEMY CONTRACTS AND THE SUCH BUT HAVE TO GIVE UP ALL OTHER SPORTS TO DO SO.

itsafact (Limerick) - Posts: 1 - 29/03/2013 18:11:22    1358583

29/03/2013 18:11:22
itsafact
IT IS A WELL KNOW FACT IN LIMERICK MOSTLY THE CITY THAT PLAYERS THAT ARE INVOLVED ON A SENIOR RUGBY SCHOOL TEAM ARE DISCOURAGED FROM PLAYING WITH THEIR CLUB TEAMS BE IT SOCCER OR HURLING/FOOTBALL.THEY ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THERE OWN RUGBY CLUB.I HAVE SPOKEN TO PARENTS OF THESE KIDS INVOLVED WITH MY OWN GAA CLUB AND WHILE SOME KIDS HAVE NO INTEREST IN CONTINUING TO PLAY HURLING OR SOCCER THERE ARE PLENTY OF KIDS WHO DO BUT FEEL THEY WOULD BE DROPPED OF THEIR SCHOOL PANEL.I HAVE ALSO TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM MY LOCAL RUGBY CLUB WHO HAVE FULL TEAMS FOR LEAGUE MATCHES BUT STRUGGLE TO FIELD A TEAM FOR THE CUP OVER BEING CUP TIED.SOME OF THESE KIDS AT RUGBY PLAYING SCHOOLS ARE BEING PROMISED MUNSTER ACADEMY CONTRACTS AND THE SUCH BUT HAVE TO GIVE UP ALL OTHER SPORTS TO DO SO.
If on a senior schools cup squad(squads range from 23 to 28) in any of the top 8 schools(CBC Cork, PBC Cork, Rockwell, Glenstal, Crescent Comp, St Munchins, Ard Scoil Ris, Castletroy College) in Munster you are not allowed play for your club unless certain conditions are met like your club applies for the player to be delisted from the school panel and the school agrees to the delisting.
Your scanarios of clubs having full squads for league games yet struggle to field in the cup doesn't happen.
The league competitions are treated the same as the cup and are the same level. Leagues are played for the majority of the season with cups played at the end of the season in march/april

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 18:33:25    1358597

ormondbannerman

What has your fathers ear to the floor got to do with your insightful knowledge? The simple fact is living in Dublin is a far different world experience to the floor your fathers ear is pressed to.

Catholic Fee paying schools (along with the Protestant variety) don't allow GAA sport in Dublin as an active policy. The female variety would rather they played fencing than camogie. First years MUST play Rugby and in Girls schools Hockey - end off. And since oh about 80% of private schools are in Dublin its primarily a Dublin issue not a Munster one. Of course a few provincial schools decide to play Rugby - big deal, with the snobbery and class structures associated wearing particular ties it won't get them very far.

Just a small selection of schools some of which have more pupilss in first year than some counties. St Conleths College, St Michaels College, Stratford College, The High School, St Marys College, Gonzaga College, Sandford Park School Ltd, Terenure (finally two years ago ALLOWED GAA), Belevedre, Catholic University School, Blackrock College, St Andrews College, Belevedre, Wesley, Gerrards, Newpark Comprehensive School .... I could go on and on. Some of the above are MORE enlightened than others but most are not. Bear in mind the few notable exceptions amongst the GAA apartheid loving schools like St Benildus play Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Basketball etc as do MOST other schools. NOTE SOCCER even in the girls schools, even in the GAA heartlands they play soccer, yet the biggest sport in ALL schools is basketball by choice too and not odious compulsion either. When you wag your finger at us GAA foreign sports haters, when you think about foreign sports you think rugby most think bigger and better ones, basketball and soccer.
With fee paying schools its the compulsary aspect that is MOST reprehensible and obscene, even worse in the "catholic" ones (there's a paradox!). You can't compare a local public school not playing rugby (because A they have no coaches and B no one wants to play it nor do the Rubgy fraternity) with the Badge of dishonour associated with some of the schools above.

How many rugby games promotion officers are in public schools in Dublin? How many? you'll be shocked, bend your dads ear on that one. It just backs up my argument about an elitist sport, with no grassroots based purely on economic factors. However unless it embraces a wider gene pool it will never grow. Soccer, Basketball, GAA, Athletics are all competing for the same players. Compulsion doesn't work never did.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 29/03/2013 19:07:26    1358607

How many schools around the country actually 'prohibit' rugby?

What's the difference between 'prohibiting' rugby and just not playing it?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 29/03/2013 19:24:22    1358615

Can see it now ormand. Georgia versus Portugal in croke park. Organisers said they could have sold it out twice over. Most of the people from the nations at it don't even know they have a team in it . Lot of empty seats at the last one in new Zealand. Outside the media bubble, 95% of the country couldn't care less about it.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 29/03/2013 19:56:13    1358634

29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
With fee paying schools its the compulsary aspect that is MOST reprehensible and obscene, even worse in the "catholic" ones (there's a paradox!). You can't compare a local public school not playing rugby (because A they have no coaches and B no one wants to play it nor do the Rubgy fraternity) with the Badge of dishonour associated with some of the schools above.
Nothing wrong with a sport being compulsory in first year. Nothing at all. The kids know they can stop if they want after a year and if they don't like it they can play other sports.
No in many ways you cannot compare local public schools with the more established rugby schools. They do have coaches if they want them. How do you know no one wants to play it. You don't and will not unless kids are given the choice to play it. You are wrong to say the "Rugby fraternity" don't want others playing as the Rugby fraternity want the clubs and provinces and Ireland to do well and know the more playing the sport means there is more chances of success

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 20:13:36    1358644

29/03/2013 19:07:26
arock
How many rugby games promotion officers are in public schools in Dublin? How many? you'll be shocked, bend your dads ear on that one. It just backs up my argument about an elitist sport, with no grassroots based purely on economic factors. However unless it embraces a wider gene pool it will never grow. Soccer, Basketball, GAA, Athletics are all competing for the same players. Compulsion doesn't work never did.
I don't know exactly how many but the Dublin city council development officers promote rugby as well as other sports.
There is a rugby development officer and/or office in fingal, tallaght who work in the schools in those areas.
Rugby is and has been looking to widen its playing base but when many people have silly, preconceived ideas about rugby it takes time for attitudes to change and get people playing the sport

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 20:22:32    1358650

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 4176

This isn't true. Which clubs supposedly do that and for your information my father is involved in munster youths rugby as a committee member and that's nowhere near true. No kids are paid to play rugby at youth rugby levels. There is money at under 21 level and senior adult level(I was paid 20 euro a game at under 21 level 2years ago with a limerick club) but there is no money at under 19 and below

this is true pal just because you come out with waffle about your father being this and that means your right and everybody else is wrong does it?
it annoys me how because i paint rugby in a bad light no matter what you have to assume its lies.
Well i am not lying i have been involved in a work capacity with a certain club and am not going to name the club I was involved with for obvious reasons but believe me when I asked was this only happeneing in their club they told me you must be joking that they were only a junior club and if they did not do it the players would go to another club who would.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2013 20:32:30    1358655

29/03/2013 20:32:30
hill16no1man
this is true pal just because you come out with waffle about your father being this and that means your right and everybody else is wrong does it?
it annoys me how because i paint rugby in a bad light no matter what you have to assume its lies.
Well i am not lying i have been involved in a work capacity with a certain club and am not going to name the club I was involved with for obvious reasons but believe me when I asked was this only happeneing in their club they told me you must be joking that they were only a junior club and if they did not do it the players would go to another club who would.
No what I said is not waffle. Its the truth.
No I don't just assume its lies. Why not name the club and put it out there. Cause otherwise I smell bullshit
Nobody pays kids at u19 level and below. youngest anyone who gets a bit of money from clubs is 18 as they will be playing under 21 rugby or senior adult rugby and

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 20:50:28    1358665