TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1431

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Saturday 23rd of March 2013, the day the GAA finally lost its way completely!
The media had a huge influence on this farce of a decision, like the Nice treaty
it was going to be pushed through regardless! Its a dark day for the GAA!

Its a dark day for teams who want to prosper using cynical tactics but certainly not a dark day for the GAA. Over 70% of delegates voted in favour of the rule change so it has being approved fairly emphatically, the offences it aims to cut out add nothing to the GAA and if the black card stops teams from cynically fouling it will be a great day for the GAA

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/03/2013 17:05:45    1354676

the rule begins january 2014, anyone know if itd be on a trial or a permanent feature?

FOB (Dublin) - Posts: 912 - 23/03/2013 17:07:09    1354677

hound
County: Meath
Posts: 142

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How can this have passed when there was at least 14 counties against it.
The majority of players against it.
THe mark and the clean pick up off the ground not passed alot of these delegates have alot to answer for.
But not to worry this will be enforced the same a s the yellow when it suits them.

70% of delegates approved the rule change which is over a 2 to 1 majority .The players don't want rule changes because they now have to focus on defending properly rather than lazy defending like we see too much of these days.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/03/2013 17:08:59    1354679

cynical fouling happens, but should it not be left to the judgement of the referee as to what action should be taken. Why not have a rule similar to soccer, where if a player is one on one or in a clear goal-scoring position and is fouled then the player who fouls can be sent off, any other decision on cynical fouling should be left as it is. It hardly helps the promotion of the game, if in a big game, a top defender has to be substituted because of a mistimed tackle or in the case where the forwards cheats and pulls the defender down to simulate being fouled.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 23/03/2013 17:13:12    1354681

Aidan O'Rourke ‏just said a very interesting thing on Twitter:

"An initial yellow card is a license to kill. Make sure your next foul is a damn good one so u can be replaced. #2yellowshurtstheteam"

What will happen if a player commits a black card offense after they've already been booked?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 23/03/2013 17:22:06    1354688

deliberately- every ref/linesman will have there own definition of this, so how do they expect this to work? the game will just become a circus, a laughing stock of a game over the in consistent of how it is implemented

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 17:26:24    1354694

What a joke we are. The only sport with 3 colours of cards. The only sport in which a player will be permanently ejected from a game for a minor indiscretion (seriously, a player could be ejected from an AI final after 30 seconds for a trip or blocking a run - that is crazy!).

When Bernard Brogan gets the line for a tug of the jersey, Dublin can replace him with Diarmuid Connelly. When he goes, Ciaran Kilkenny will be sprung from the bench. Who do Leitrim bring on to replace Emlyn Mulligan, or Monaghan to replace Darren Hughes?

The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The turkeys have voted for Christmas.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 23/03/2013 17:37:34    1354700

I don't think this will suit the likes of Tyrone and Donegal. :)

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 23/03/2013 17:44:14    1354707

uibhfaile1986
I/m not to clear on how many delegates there were, but say 32 counties plus UK and USA thats 34
If there was at least 14 counties against it how could it have passed unless the delegates went against
their counties wishes.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 23/03/2013 17:51:36    1354710

ThomasClarke,if you have a problem with this,take it up with the players and managers who have deliberately created this problem.
The lawmakers are just trying to sort out this mess.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 23/03/2013 17:58:40    1354714

The die is cast, and now we live with it for better or worse. Cynical fouling cannot be part of a game if it is that game is a joke. Few ball sports tolerate that type of fouling because it strikes at the very "spirit" of any game. I think people who follow the Inter-county game are a bit disconnected from the people who actually operate the game on the ground. There was a huge ground swell of genuine concern at the way the Football game was going over the last few years. Some games descended into a farce. Ref's where poorly equipped by the rules to stop it, people in the game have clearly said we don't want this crap in our game. Now we can argue the way it will be interpreted we can tear the rules apart. But nearly everyone can say something had to be done about this type of fouling. It was clearly being coached as a tactic so I believe thats when a line was crossed. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 23/03/2013 18:01:35    1354715

joncarter
No problem if refs enforced rules which were there already and referees were of a higher standard, as it is they struggle to enforce
rules that are there now an extra card extra work extra mistakes .
Be some appeals lodged after games, he should have got a yellow not a black.
Can Of Worms.
Can this be voted out at next congress if a motion put in by a county.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 23/03/2013 18:07:02    1354720

Thomas Clarke
County: Tyrone
Posts: 431

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What a joke we are. The only sport with 3 colours of cards. The only sport in which a player will be permanently ejected from a game for a minor indiscretion (seriously, a player could be ejected from an AI final after 30 seconds for a trip or blocking a run - that is crazy!).

When Bernard Brogan gets the line for a tug of the jersey, Dublin can replace him with Diarmuid Connelly. When he goes, Ciaran Kilkenny will be sprung from the bench. Who do Leitrim bring on to replace Emlyn Mulligan, or Monaghan to replace Darren Hughes?

The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The turkeys have voted for Christmas.


The fear of missing playing in an all ireland final because you block a run is exactly what is good about the rule, players will want to play in the big games and so will decide not to commit these type of cynical fouls because of the punishment the black card provides.Hopefully the end result of the black card will be the eradication of cynical fouls from the game and thus we won't need the black card.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/03/2013 18:12:27    1354722

The death of the phyical game of gaa. Where the intelligence in it. Sure you might as well get a yellow card as a black one. Dont worry it wont last one year. MEN IN SUITS RUINING THE GAME

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 23/03/2013 18:17:48    1354725

arock
County: Dublin
Posts: 1345

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The die is cast, and now we live with it for better or worse. Cynical fouling cannot be part of a game if it is that game is a joke. Few ball sports tolerate that type of fouling because it strikes at the very "spirit" of any game. I think people who follow the Inter-county game are a bit disconnected from the people who actually operate the game on the ground. There was a huge ground swell of genuine concern at the way the Football game was going over the last few years. Some games descended into a farce. Ref's where poorly equipped by the rules to stop it, people in the game have clearly said we don't want this crap in our game. Now we can argue the way it will be interpreted we can tear the rules apart. But nearly everyone can say something had to be done about this type of fouling. It was clearly being coached as a tactic so I believe thats when a line was crossed. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

All was needed was refs to consistent from game to game

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 18:23:41    1354727

To the people complaining about lesser counties with smaller counties being at a disadvatage, simply abide by the rules and they should be fine.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 23/03/2013 18:30:23    1354731

uibhfhaili1986
The way its written no player would miss an All Ireland final, any suspension would carry onto the next game.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 23/03/2013 18:32:08    1354732

TheExtraman,it is the players and managers who engage in cynical fouling who are ruining the game.The men in suits are simply trying to punish cynical tactics.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 23/03/2013 18:39:05    1354737

gormdubhgorm
County: Dublin
Posts: 161

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I don't think this will suit the likes of Tyrone and Donegal. :)

Ssssh!!! you'll wake Ulsterman.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 23/03/2013 18:39:28    1354739

hound
County: Meath
Posts: 146

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uibhfhaili1986
The way its written no player would miss an All Ireland final, any suspension would carry onto the next game.

I meant that in reference to teh comment thata player would be ejected from the AI final if they committed a black card offence after 30 seconds of the AI final

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/03/2013 18:46:32    1354746