93vintageyear
County: Derry
Posts: 182

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The Black card seems to have been passed at congress happy enough with that if it cuts out the cynical fouling in the game our county voted for the motion i was surprised at what counties voted against the motion.

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR IT IF THE STANDARD OF REFEREEING WAS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT A GAME AND FROM ONE GAME TO ANOTHER.

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 13:26:47    1354563

I am against the black card but I agree something needs to be done about cynical fouling.

mikeyjoe (USA) - Posts: 415 - 23/03/2013 13:31:05    1354567

i know a small club beside me that will fold due to this rule it struggle to get players to games due to emigration and work commitments. The death of the rural football clubs and the bigger populated with massive numbers of members. They will get stronger. My own county of Monaghan can forget about winning an ulster title for a long time we don't have the strength in depth to deal with losing a Dessie Mone or a Darren Hughes. We will now see Dublin dominate gaa for the foreseeable future. Opposition teams will target the best players trying to get them sidelined.
Congrats congress you have ruined are game of football.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 23/03/2013 13:38:34    1354574

It will stop cynical fouling in the early part of games but what about cynical fouling for goal chances late on in games........it still will pay to foul to stop a goal scoring opportunity........ do these Black Cards accumulate into a further ban?

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 23/03/2013 14:24:27    1354586

kikfada
County: Louth
Posts: 852

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It will stop cynical fouling in the early part of games

That all depends on the ref, the refs/linemen/umpire can't get things right at the moment, how will they get this right?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 14:43:16    1354593

kikfada
County: Louth
Posts: 852

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It will stop cynical fouling in the early part of games but what about cynical fouling for goal chances late on in games........it still will pay to foul to stop a goal scoring opportunity........ do these Black Cards accumulate into a further ban?

Indeed you are correct. However i'd argue that the measure would be effective up to the 60th minute. Also, i'm not aware of a measure that could be introduced, or indeed a measure in any other sports, that could prevent such a circumstance. Situations like that exist in other sports towards the end of games but our problem was it existed all the way through our games. If what you suggest becomes more prevalent then the law will be made more stringent. But even the 21 yard free i've advocated wouldn't solve the goal scenario. I suppose teams will have to take responsibility that they needed a goal in the last minutes to win a game.

Three back cards in succession result in a one match ban but that does not include the All Ireland Final.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 23/03/2013 15:01:31    1354607

How can this have passed when there was at least 14 counties against it.
The majority of players against it.
THe mark and the clean pick up off the ground not passed alot of these delegates have alot to answer for.
But not to worry this will be enforced the same a s the yellow when it suits them.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 23/03/2013 15:10:15    1354612

Absolute load of nonsense, and highlights the stupidity of the people who are supposedly running the game. It increases the pressure on referees who already have a near impossible job and causes confusion for everyone. An easy, workable solution to cynical fouling is the sin bin, but it was never given a proper chance

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 23/03/2013 15:16:14    1354616

Can't see this working in many club level games where clubs simply don't have the players to continue. Can see many new amalgamations coming especially in my home county, where many teams struggle to field 15 and will end up losing badly to larger (not necessarily better) clubs!

Jimmy192 (Mayo) - Posts: 107 - 23/03/2013 15:24:30    1354621

Damned if you do damned if you dont , something has to happen , to the serial moaners on here with their crystal balls , give it a rest ,
Something is being attempted to sort an issue most are sick of seeing .
If it works great , if it doesnt well we need to address situation again , but we cant sit still allowing cynical play continue at the moment punishment far to lenient .
As for the GAA sticking their heads in the sands and lot on here blaming all the woes of our game on ref,s and inconsistency , old chestnut done to death , posters on here cant agree on a monday morning having watched a game on TV with slow motion replays etc ,arguing left right and centre yet in real time refs are supposed to get it right .
Refs will never , have never , been popular , or respected , they have allways been , wrong , parentage in dispute , they are the GAAs family cat , there to kick when results go against you .
Black cards may work may not , but standing still not goingo help either , would have prefered a sin bin option , however am prepared to be openminded about blackcard

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/03/2013 15:35:44    1354624

Well said Petejoeduff couldnt agree with you more.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 23/03/2013 15:35:50    1354626

shaggylegend
County: Monaghan
Posts: 681

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i know a small club beside me that will fold due to this rule it struggle to get players to games due to emigration and work commitments. The death of the rural football clubs and the bigger populated with massive numbers of members. They will get stronger. My own county of Monaghan can forget about winning an ulster title for a long time we don't have the strength in depth to deal with losing a Dessie Mone or a Darren Hughes. We will now see Dublin dominate gaa for the foreseeable future. Opposition teams will target the best players trying to get them sidelined.
Congrats congress you have ruined are game of football.

Maybe that club beside you and Monaghan need to tell their players to abide by the rules.Teams can't be targeted by the opposition for black card offences below are these are the 5 offences which will result in a player receiving a black card

1) To deliberatively pull down an opponent.

2) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot.

3) To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

4) To use abusive or provocative language or gestures towards players.

5) To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official.

Nobody can be targeted by the opposition to commit such an offence they have to do it themselves.We are probably going to endure a load of whinging from players and managers over the next while but they no what is required by them now and it is their duty to change their behaviour to come in line with the new rule.The rules wouldnt be changed if these things werent an issue but due to managers and players they are an issue.The rule has been passed by a sizable majority of delegates who represent the GAA membership as a whole.The 5 offences which the black card aims to punish are aspects of the game that will not be missed by anybody should this rule change be successful.I would think the aim of the black card is to have no black cards handed out after a while as players hopefully will not commit the offences described above once they learn there is no gain to be gotten from any of them.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 23/03/2013 15:36:07    1354627

petejoeduff
County: Donegal
Posts: 99

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Absolute load of nonsense, and highlights the stupidity of the people who are supposedly running the game. It increases the pressure on referees who already have a near impossible job and causes confusion for everyone. An easy, workable solution to cynical fouling is the sin bin, but it was never given a proper chance.

Predominantly an impossible and confusing job because some teams and managers have a total disregard for the rules of Gaelic Football and believe its appropriate to employ rugby style tactics of tackling on a GAA field.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 23/03/2013 15:44:57    1354634

So if a player recieves a black card he must be subbed, but can he not take part in the rest of the game at all?

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 23/03/2013 15:57:24    1354638

A little disappointed that the Black Card was voted through today, but will respect the decision. My opposition was based on the belief that the punishment (having a player automatically subbed) wasn't a sufficient deterrent for the crime (hauling down a player, possibly in a scoring position). And I still don't think it will be, it just means players have to be a bit smarter about who/where the foul is committed. I also don't like the way that this rule hasn't been trialled in pre-season competitions or the like so people could get a flavour of how it would work (and how other rules might work) before they are voted on. I think that has been a massive flaw in the system.

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 23/03/2013 16:22:53    1354650

Saturday 23rd of March 2013, the day the GAA finally lost its way completely!
The media had a huge influence on this farce of a decision, like the Nice treaty
it was going to be pushed through regardless! Its a dark day for the GAA!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 23/03/2013 16:30:45    1354652

seany16
County: Dublin
Posts: 846

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petejoeduff
County: Donegal
Posts: 99

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Absolute load of nonsense, and highlights the stupidity of the people who are supposedly running the game. It increases the pressure on referees who already have a near impossible job and causes confusion for everyone. An easy, workable solution to cynical fouling is the sin bin, but it was never given a proper chance.

Predominantly an impossible and confusing job because some teams and managers have a total disregard for the rules of Gaelic Football and believe its appropriate to employ rugby style tactics of tackling on a GAA field.

Or WWF tactics as Karl Lacey can attest to. Doesn't change the fact that its the wrong solution to a valid problem

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 23/03/2013 16:39:17    1354658

When will the rule first be used?

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 23/03/2013 16:44:12    1354664

1) To deliberatively pull down an opponent.

2) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot.

3) To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

4) To use abusive or provocative language or gestures towards players.

5) To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official.


deliberately- this is going to be seen different by a lot of refs, what some refs will say is deliberately others will say its accidentally, if refs cant get some of the basics right cant see how they will get this right

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 16:47:57    1354667

1) To deliberatively pull down an opponent.

2) To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot.

3) To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.

these 3 will not be referred consistently between different refs and some refs will act differently to these at different stages in the game, it is a complete joke

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/03/2013 17:00:56    1354671