What are your views on this? Will it bring back better attacking football and do away with tactical fouling

93vintageyear (Derry) - Posts: 301 - 21/03/2013 11:11:12    1353244

It will be interesting to see how it works but I would have thought that a sprinkling of early yellow cards would put a stop to most of it.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 21/03/2013 12:33:11    1353341

Definately for it.

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 21/03/2013 12:45:58    1353347

It needs to be addressed alright. The only thing is, will they only be issued when a guy is pulled down in front of goal? Because a far more cynical thing that is occuring is guys are being fouled as soon as they win a kickout, therefore, there can never be any goal chances at all. So if these things are not addressed, then really, the less cynical of the cynical fouling teams will be the only ones punished...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/03/2013 12:50:08    1353354

If the refs actually enforced the rules there would be no need for this farce. The thing is introducing a black card will not stop it if the refs don't act on it. How many times have we seen a runner being taken out of it off the ball but the ref does nothing. Why will the introduciton of a black card change this?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 21/03/2013 12:55:56    1353360

The idea is ok. I especially like it for abusive language. Other than that I dont think it will improve much. If the 3rd man tackle is properly outlawed Im not sure it will actually help the game as a spectacle as it will only increase the use of handpassing.

Then for an incident such as Cadogan pulling down Murphy the other night....sure it will be a black card offence....but would it deter him from doing the exact same thing again? Not a chance!

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1433 - 21/03/2013 13:05:43    1353370

THERE IS NO NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES JUST EDUCATE REFS/LINESMEN/UMPIRES AND BE CRYSTAL CLEAR TO THEM ABOUT RULES AND THE CONSISTENCY NEEDED

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 21/03/2013 13:06:02    1353371

I agree with gotmilk. Get the referees to enforce the rules as they are & that should be enough.

I remember early in last year's final, a Mayo player getting a very early yellow. The commentators response was that it was very harsh to be handing out yellow cards so early in the game!!!!!. This is the attitude that has to change.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 21/03/2013 13:10:11    1353377

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It needs to be addressed alright. The only thing is, will they only be issued when a guy is pulled down in front of goal? Because a far more cynical thing that is occuring is guys are being fouled as soon as they win a kickout, therefore, there can never be any goal chances at all. So if these things are not addressed, then really, the less cynical of the cynical fouling teams will be the only ones punished...

Are you referring to any team in particular? :P

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9835 - 21/03/2013 13:16:16    1353387

Too many times rules are changed due to the ineptness of referees. 90% of inter county players surveyed are against the introduction of the black card. The players are at the end of the day the jewel in the gaa crown but too often delegates try to ruin our great game with unnecessary tweaks. The black card in theory is a good idea but we have to look at the bigger picture. What teams will benefit from this rule change? The stronger more populated counties that have strength in depth. Dublin for instance could replace a player with somebody of the same standard quite easily, but the Leitrims of the world wouldn't be able to do it. The weak will get weaker and the strong get stronger. At club level this would really cause mayhem. Some small club struggle to get 15 players if a team gets 3 black cards and no subs to bring on then its 15 against 12 and situations like this will happen at junior and junior b levels. Titles and matches will be decided by this rule change make no mistakes about it. Maybe bring in the last man rule like soccer to deal with the issues. The rules are there to be enforced if the referees do their job we should have no problems. Our head of the referee's was all in favour of the square ball rule being abolished why? because he made a massive blunder in the all ireland semi final of 2010. Our game will be ruined with players afraid to tackle and we will see loads of high scoring matches but with no intensity or tackling...

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 21/03/2013 13:16:33    1353389

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It needs to be addressed alright. The only thing is, will they only be issued when a guy is pulled down in front of goal? Because a far more cynical thing that is occuring is guys are being fouled as soon as they win a kickout, therefore, there can never be any goal chances at all. So if these things are not addressed, then really, the less cynical of the cynical fouling teams will be the only ones punished...

Are you referring to any team in particular? :P

Don't you know well he is, don't rise to it!!!!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 21/03/2013 13:33:00    1353405

if the refs did their job correct it would not need to be introduced but unfortunatly nobody is reminding them of the rules and are far more interested in changing rules instead of making them use the rules in place and when they make mistakes they should be punished by a one match suspension for not getting the calls right.
its human error to make a mistake but i dont think i have watched a match this year where there is been only one mistake all the games have been littered by terrible referee decisions.
I think the black card should be given a chance though,lets be honest it does really make the player think twice about doing it.
(1) he will miss the rest of the match meaning he has to sit and watch another guy take his lace like he has been subbed.
(2) it also means if the player who took his place plays well he will lose his place in the starting line up the next day
would certainly make players think twice about the good of the team if it means they have to sit and watch.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/03/2013 13:35:50    1353410

Would have rathered an 8 minute sin-bin but agree that something has to change. The black card would be better than the situation as it is now.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 21/03/2013 13:44:57    1353418

I'm for it. It sends a message to the Fowler that hes been watched and that his next foul will be a yellow card. Other players see the Black been flashed and know that the Referee is applying the rules. The Crowd know the players that have been ticked and are better informed. A player that has been yellow carded can still receive a black, leaving him one more chance. It also clarifys the situation for the managers who can substitute a player that may be sent off........which has its good and bad points. Its up to the referees to know the 3 different categories......black......yellow......red .....and apply the correct punishment........and with a degree of consistency across the board.

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 21/03/2013 13:47:02    1353422

Too many cards, leading to more controversy. The simpler these things are kept the better.

All we can look forward to now is endless stupid debates about why a black should have been yellow and so on.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 21/03/2013 13:56:10    1353427

In theory I think it's a good idea but it's very hard to know how it will turn out . Might very well turn games into a farce - refs are very inconsistent as it is with their interpretations of the rules .
But for the deliberate rugby style pulling down of opponents , the black card or even a 10min sin bin would be a good start . If a trial period proved successful then try to address the deliberate obstruction of opponents after they have given a pass .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 21/03/2013 14:01:37    1353432

kikfada your completely wrong a black means the player who committed the foul is off

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 21/03/2013 14:02:00    1353433

Completely nonsense to be honest. 100% against. The professional foul isn't a problem, it exists in every team sport with physical contact. 90% of the time a professional foul will result jn a yellow card for the offender, preventing him from commiting another one and it is usually a guaranteed score so those two outcomes are enough without this rubbish of a black card.

Tony keady also had a piece in the independent this week claiming the two yellows equals a red is a balls. again i agree i think two yellows for non dangerous fouls e.g pulling a jersey, push in the back, long etc. I think an 8 min sin bin for two yellows of those kind and the red for two yellows of a more dangerous nature e.g pulling him down, dangerous use of the hurl

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 21/03/2013 14:03:36    1353437

crossfieldball,
The professional foul does indeed exist in other sports but the difference is they are punished in other sports.In soccer its a red card and in rugger its a penalty try,there is no likewise punishment in football.As for most players being against it well what do people expext?Turkeys and Christmas etc

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 21/03/2013 14:18:17    1353447

Frankly its un-enforceable, referees struggle to adequately enforce the regulations we have already, this will just muddy the waters even more.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/03/2013 14:24:29    1353455