it's amazing the amount ofposters on here that do not think that there is anything wrong with sectarian abuse...i wouldput it right up there with spitting..untilyou are on the receiving end of it you have no idea how degrading and disrespectful it is especially when so called gaels think it's a good way to have a go at northern gaels..i am fed up tot he back teeth being on the receiving end of sectarian abuse around the country.I have never received any of this abuse at a match in ulster,but have done at croke park (on many occasions from dubs),mullingar, killarney,and galway.
We donot want to hear any more comments such as "who took the queens shilling", f*** off you brit b********, you are nothing but a shower of ornage f******. When the high and mighty get off their soapboxes about spitting incidents,maybe they might want to address the blatant sectarianism that is endemic against ulster supporters.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 12/03/2013 12:58:12    1347944

well said Bain

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 12/03/2013 12:58:57    1347946

12/03/2013 12:58:12
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it's amazing the amount ofposters on here that do not think that there is anything wrong with sectarian abuse...i wouldput it right up there with spitting..untilyou are on the receiving end of it you have no idea how degrading and disrespectful it is especially when so called gaels think it's a good way to have a go at northern gaels..i am fed up tot he back teeth being on the receiving end of sectarian abuse around the country.I have never received any of this abuse at a match in ulster,but have done at croke park (on many occasions from dubs),mullingar, killarney,and galway.
We donot want to hear any more comments such as "who took the queens shilling", f*** off you brit b********, you are nothing but a shower of ornage f******. When the high and mighty get off their soapboxes about spitting incidents,maybe they might want to address the blatant sectarianism that is endemic against ulster supporters.

I agree with you 100% about sectarian abuse I even got it at college & I am from Donegal, thick as well as bigoted.

We also have racial abuse thrown into the ix & wen there is nothing else, your other & sisters are always good for a lash.

I hate all of it but I still wouldn't equate it with spitting, that is on a different level.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/03/2013 13:04:22    1347953

Well I posted yesterday ( please read before commenting ) how do you go into a dressing room and face team mates after spitting , well thank you Owen Mulligan for the answer , obviously very easy .
Secterian chants which he refers to obviously not acceptable and should be investigated , but to lump with statement re spitting incident and collegue is just wrong , Owen Mulligan is old enough to know better .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/03/2013 13:09:21    1347961

While Mulligan's comments are stupid and spitting can never be condoned, I agree with a lot of what mayotyroneman says in that sectarian abuse cannot be swept under the carpet. I have witnessed in many times from supporters in the stand and would not be surprised if it goes on on the pitch too.

Frankly, I dont see how sectarian abuse is any different from racism and should be treated as such

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1429 - 12/03/2013 13:10:11    1347963

mayotyroneman
Thats off the topic so stop distracting from this isolated incident which is the Paul Galvin incident.
However if you have read a previous post of mine you will note that I also mentioned verbal abuse. IMO its time the GAA stamped out all abuse of players and officials in a very strong way. Supporters, players and even officials have gotten away for too long with all kinds of abuse at GAA games and it certainly is escalating so it needs to be stopped and quick, back on topic again I'm disgusted at both the spitting on Paul Galvin and the response from Owen Mulligan.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 12/03/2013 13:10:16    1347964

What is an acceptable reaction to sectarian abuse?

The one being channelled by most people on this forum is that it doesn't exist, or just accept it, so just move along.

Perhaps this man did try the 'just accept it' reaction, but after seeing that it didn't work, he offered his alternative reaction; and brought the sectarian abuse to an abrupt end.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 12/03/2013 13:12:24    1347967

Spitting at an opponent is disgusting and if any allegation is proved the guilty party should get a ban for it. However what galls me, and many others from Ulster, is the pious, sanctimonious, patronising guff we have to put up with from other provinces at on and off pitch behaviour. There are many things that are said and done on every pitch in every county in Ireland and no one is beyond reproach. Indeed we have had some similar allegations made in the Leitrim/Offaly game but this incident is a good excuse for many to vent their bitter, partitionist anti-Northern bile AND don't insult me by denying it. Kerry in particular have lost a great deal of respect in the North for their sour, petty, whinging, moaning behaviour over the past decade and how they run crying to the media for ALL alleged misdemeanours on the pitch. Paul Galvin in particular or his defenders are in NO position to lecture anyone especially when he showed such disregard and disrespect to officials by slapping notebooks out of their hand. Furthermore I don't expect many in the South to understand, because many of them don't want to and haven't a clue, that calling an Ulster player sectarian names and questioning their Irish identity is a deep insult to the memory of EVERY Ulster Gael that was murdered over the past 40 years because of their GAA involvement. Not many clubs and players in the other 3 provinces had to run the bigoted gauntlet of the British Security Services and their Loyalist satellite murder gangs for the ultimate crime of belonging to the GAA. That is why it provokes Ulster Gaels in such a manner and will continue to do so while ignorant people continue to spew it; indeed I would also take issue with anyone insulting the Ulster GAA and tarnishing the memory of our dead members. So by all means condemn allegations of spitting but many should take the large moat out of their own eyes first and contemplate their own partitionist behaviour. 32 County Association? That's a laugh but it would be a nice idea some day.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 12/03/2013 13:13:05    1347968

You can't be using alleged slagging for an excuse for everything. Enough already!

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 12/03/2013 13:20:37    1347976

Abuse is going to happen. Not condoning it by the way! but whether it's sectarian, racial, a comment about your mother or whatever, it's going to happen. Even at underage matches it's hard to go a game without a bit of 'slabbering' going on. The difference is at underage the managers roar and shout at the players to get up and play proper football and that that'll sicken them more than anything. Think Senior counties (especially tyrone) could learn from this and stop the pettiness and play the 'good' football they tend to boast about being able to play

MissDownFanatic (Down) - Posts: 411 - 12/03/2013 13:30:36    1347985

All this is incredibly negative and reflects terribly on the GAA

Not nice to see.

I think this whole Tyrone v Kerry thing has gone on fecking long enough

This is at least the 5th major incident between the two counties

Please stop dragging our sports through the mud and accept some responsibility for your own actions.

This is shameful carry on

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 480 - 12/03/2013 13:31:46    1347986

Someone posted the clip on youtube. Could've been anyone. Galvin, if he was spat at, has said nothing about it & seemed content to "leave it on the pitch". However, Mulligan may have jumped the gun with his reaction & the whole thing could yet blow up in the mdeia instead of being forgotten about.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/03/2013 13:32:48    1347988

An important distiction needs to be made here. Nobody is defending sectarian abuse. What is being said is that isnt an excuse to justify spitting in somebodies face, nor does it lessen the act, so mulligan was wrong to bring it up the way he did.

Also, it should be pointed out that he does not state that the spitting incident was in relatiation to sectarian abuse, as many are intimating. He just said it occured in the game, therefore people talking about sectarian abuse in the context of the spitting incident are miles off the mark. Galvin didnt abuse the guy, it is clear he didnt even know he was there, therefore it has no bearing on this incident, so people trying to offer it as some mode of justification are only letting themselves down. Is someone is guilty of this alleged sectarian abuse then they are a disgrace and should be punished. Similarly, this guy should be punished severly, and mulligan should be officially warned for bringing the game into disrepute.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/03/2013 13:34:38    1347992

muffin
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What is an acceptable reaction to sectarian abuse?

The one being channelled by most people on this forum is that it doesn't exist, or just accept it, so just move along.

Perhaps this man did try the 'just accept it' reaction, but after seeing that it didn't work, he offered his alternative reaction; and brought the sectarian abuse to an abrupt end.


So now you are saying this was a reaction to sectarian abuse, which implies that Galvin made sectarian comments. Can you actually back that up or are you just talking for the sake of it?

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 12/03/2013 13:37:41    1347997

I'd imagine the Tyrone county board are livid right now with Mugsy after all the bad publicity from the incident with Karl Lacey. There should be zero tolerance shown towards spitting and the accused should never be allowed play in the Gaa again. And credit to Galvin, for all the abuse the man takes(and gives to be fair), showed great restraint by not reacting. ~PHS

Pope_has_spoken (Dublin) - Posts: 138 - 12/03/2013 13:41:32    1347999

Kerry supporters in general have a rather poor opinion of Northern teams, particulary Tyrone. I assume it was the same in the 60s with Down. Kerry do not like been licked and Tyrone licked one of the great Kerry Teams on the 3 occasions it mattered.

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 12/03/2013 13:43:22    1348001

This is saddening. Fellow GAA members taking cheap shots at each other. If you want to talk about secterian abuse its time to open a new thread about it as there appears to be enough posters willing to debate it. This thread is about a spitting incident. no amount of provacation or abuse justifys this most vile of acts. the bigger man walks on. this is really dishearting to see. In the last decade we've been fortunate to live through the greatest IMO period of gaelic games. The all conquering kilkenny and crossmaglen might never be seen in our lifetimes again. incredible football games involing kerry and tyrone who raised the bar so high no one could reach them for 6-7 years such was their domanence. we should be cherishing these times. Instead we are slinging mud at each other and every week we are seeing another bad PR story being leaked insread of the great work we do on this island and further abroad in terms of health, culture and community spirit. if the founding members from 1884 could see us now they would be proud of the facilities and profile we have, BUT they would be disheartened to see us sniping at each other from oppisite ends of the country. WE are all one and the same. the sooner we start realising this the better.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 12/03/2013 13:49:20    1348009

In hindsight fair play to Paul Galvin & Finuge for not highlighting this cowardly act and letting Cookstown enjoy their deserveded victory, a touch of class, it's just a pity the same cant be said about Mulligans comments!!

Ciarrai Abu (Overseas) - Posts: 1050 - 12/03/2013 13:54:40    1348019

Jinxie
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muffin
County: Antrim
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What is an acceptable reaction to sectarian abuse?

The one being channelled by most people on this forum is that it doesn't exist, or just accept it, so just move along.

Perhaps this man did try the 'just accept it' reaction, but after seeing that it didn't work, he offered his alternative reaction; and brought the sectarian abuse to an abrupt end.


So now you are saying this was a reaction to sectarian abuse, which implies that Galvin made sectarian comments. Can you actually back that up or are you just talking for the sake of it?

Neither this poster nor mulligan can back up these accusations of sectarian abuse. Disgraceful.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 12/03/2013 14:03:09    1348036

Spitting is wrong and hopefully the player in question is feeling very guilty/shamed about it. Sectarian abuse is also wrong and the players that are guilty feel very embarrassed/ashamed about that. I

Posters have stated that you can equate the two. They are right because in essence they are different acts. Some people have said that spitting is worse. Hopefully, they realize that is not an objective statement. There is no way to measure. Bullying/abuse takes many many forms and it is not right to sweep one form under the carpet because you perceive that one form is worse. This is almost like justifying one form.

There are no comments under the video at present on youtube. Imagine, if many people from Britain or the USA see and start posting comments about savage us Irish are. Would our tone to change to being slightly more defensive? Of course everybody will say no but of course one can't answer it truthfully unless it happens.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 12/03/2013 14:06:20    1348039