ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Tourist numbers would be huge though from fans staying the 3-4 weeks of the group stage to the huge numbers who would travel in from the likes of England/france/Scotland/wales on weekend trips for their own games.
We could afford to host this with proper management.
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Unfortunately, I don't think that'd even come close too recouping the investment. I wish it wasn't the case, but think about what'd need to be done to prepare for this competition: the stadiums, the transport systems, the new hotels (even if we didn't need them). Then think about how much it costs to get things done in Ireland (yes, even in a recession). Cast your mind back to how construction/development was carried out in the last 7 years (because it'd be the same poobah's at the top involved again in any new development in the next 10 years). I can see alot of the people who contributed to the current mess we're in, without ever having to pay for it, coining it in again. And where will the money come from?

I don't blame anyone for getting excited about this, of course its an appealing idea. We gotta be realistic though, and we need to be careful that our love of sport isn't used to allow the shenanigans that got us in a mess in the first place to be repeated by stealth.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 26/03/2013 21:42:07    1357018

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why couldnt the gaa bid on their own,arent they basically hosting 90% of the games anyway?
we have other stadiums that arent being used that could be used to make up the rugby ones aswell.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/03/2013 09:17:26    1357047

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i didnt read any articles praising the gaa for doing it at all,they were only happy for themselves because it means they have more to write about.
if a brawl happens in a junior b match it will still make more headlines then a cracking national league game.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/03/2013 09:20:57    1357050

During the interval in one of the rugby games in Croke Park The BBC interviewer Gabby Logan asked Keith Wood former Irish Rugby captain about the importance of Gaelic Games and he blanked her. Changed the subject immediately. So much for Ormands thesis of reflecting well on the GAA. If the IRFU cannot afford to build their stadia perhaps they could copy the GAA model and not pay the players then they might have the funds to do it themselves instead of going cap in hand to GAA.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 27/03/2013 14:15:36    1357261

The GAA have really shot themselves in the foot here, they might as well just go out and buy every young kid in the country a rugby ball. Although the idea of GAA people giving out about preferential treatment being giving to other sport is luacrious considering the decades of preferential treatment the GAA received from the state

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 27/03/2013 14:48:25    1357316

Bad Monkey What decades of preferential treatment? There was no money given to any sport before Lotto funding so there goes your decades of preferential treatment. However when you look at its size the IRFU is preportionally getting much more than the other sporting bodies.
Sports Council Grants for 2013 are as follows
GAA Funding
Core Grant Funding - €2,966,640
High Performance Funding - N/A
Direct Athlete Investment Funding - N/A
Women in Sport Funding - N/A
Total to GAA = 2,966,640

Soccer Funding
Core Grant Funding - €3,158,400
High Performance Funding - N/A
Direct Athlete Investment Funding - N/A
Women in Sport Funding - €192,274
Total to soccer = 3,350,674
Rugby Funding
Core Grant Funding - €2,771,120
High Performance Funding - N/A
Direct Athlete Investment Funding - N/A
Women in Sport Funding - €141,000
€275,000 to the IRFU to support their efforts to qualify a women's team for the 7's tournament in Rio 2016.
Total to rugby = 3,187,120
Add in the generous tax breaks to Professional athletes which is of such benefit to IRFU, it is clear who is getting the most. The grants given to redevelop Aviva were also much greater than Grants to develop Croke Park.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 27/03/2013 18:21:59    1357540

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26/03/2013 17:04:58
moomoo
It comes down to one thing for me. Rugby people are very fast to look down on the GAA when it suits but when they want to use Croke Park etc they have no problem asking. For that alone they should be told where to go. If Rugby is such a big sport here they should have there own stadiums to use

We are using our own stadiums but we don't have enough and are asking a fellow irish sporting organisation to help countrymen and women so that one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world can be held in Ireland.

Again if its such a big game here they should have there own. Also again you Rugby people are very fast to put down the GAA, plenty of examples in pro Rugby anti GAA newspapers again this week. Goes without saying how it would go if it was the othere way around. Also one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world? You actually cant believe that? Over half the countries in the world dont play of even know what Rugby is.

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 27/03/2013 18:49:19    1357564

Can't really understand what peoples argument against an Irish bid for the RWC really is, the GAA is ingrained in Irish society and won't really be effected by opening up it's stadia......well apart from receiving a massive pay cheque that is.

Anyway listen regardless of whether you like rugby or not, look at this for what it really is, ie an opportunity for our little country to host a massive global event, to be perfectly honest I think you'd have to have a heart of stone not to be excited about that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 27/03/2013 18:57:45    1357571

26/03/2013 21:42:07
Marlon_JD
Unfortunately, I don't think that'd even come close too recouping the investment. I wish it wasn't the case, but think about what'd need to be done to prepare for this competition: the stadiums, the transport systems, the new hotels (even if we didn't need them). Then think about how much it costs to get things done in Ireland (yes, even in a recession). Cast your mind back to how construction/development was carried out in the last 7 years (because it'd be the same poobah's at the top involved again in any new development in the next 10 years). I can see alot of the people who contributed to the current mess we're in, without ever having to pay for it, coining it in again. And where will the money come from?

I don't blame anyone for getting excited about this, of course its an appealing idea. We gotta be realistic though, and we need to be careful that our love of sport isn't used to allow the shenanigans that got us in a mess in the first place to be repeated by stealth.
Stadium costs would easily be recouped long term in use by the GAA in use in championship.
transport system is the same. long term use after world cup would make cost effective.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2013 19:27:40    1357596

27/03/2013 09:17:26
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, why couldnt the gaa bid on their own,arent they basically hosting 90% of the games anyway?
we have other stadiums that arent being used that could be used to make up the rugby ones aswell.
plain and simply the IRB wouldnt play games without the IRFU stadiums as theyd have to pay much more rent and have higher expenses.
and GAA wouldnt be hosting 90% of games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2013 19:30:31    1357598

27/03/2013 14:15:36
mod
During the interval in one of the rugby games in Croke Park The BBC interviewer Gabby Logan asked Keith Wood former Irish Rugby captain about the importance of Gaelic Games and he blanked her. Changed the subject immediately. So much for Ormands thesis of reflecting well on the GAA. If the IRFU cannot afford to build their stadia perhaps they could copy the GAA model and not pay the players then they might have the funds to do it themselves instead of going cap in hand to GAA.
who is ormand???

We would build the stadiums if they would be used after the world cup but they wouldnt. we have 2 munster rugby stadiums, 1 connacht, 1 ulster and 1 leinster and the aviva. there is other rugby stadiums but why develop them when they would become white elephants afterwards.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2013 19:33:25    1357600

27/03/2013 18:49:19
moomoo
Again if its such a big game here they should have there own. Also again you Rugby people are very fast to put down the GAA, plenty of examples in pro Rugby anti GAA newspapers again this week. Goes without saying how it would go if it was the othere way around. Also one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world? You actually cant believe that? Over half the countries in the world dont play of even know what Rugby is.
Irish rugby does have its own stadiums and is using them and is asking for the use of additional stadiums.
No rugby people are not fast to put down the GAA. Go through all irish sporting forums and soccer/gaa forums are much harsher on rugby than rugby forums are on gaa. Look at boards/munster forum/leinster forum/any soccer forum.
well Over a hundred countries play rugby across the world. Look at International rugby board website for info on that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/03/2013 19:39:46    1357604

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Stadium costs would easily be recouped long term in use by the GAA in use in championship.
transport system is the same. long term use after world cup would make cost effective.
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Well, the subsequent long-term use of the stadia will indeed make money for the GAA. But the GAA will not be paying for the upgrades required for the World Cup (I keep hearing that these 'huge checks' are one of the reasons the GAA will benefit). So who will be paying for all this in the first place, and how will THEY (i.e. probably the taxpayer) make their money back?

As for transport improvements, I'm all for it, but that has to be done incrementally and sustainably over a long period of time. We already have huge(probably unsustainable) long term debt, our hands are tied with regard to expenditure.

And I would have huge fears about the development of new hotels/restaurants/pubs that might not be necessary, as the usual suspects try to get in on the gig. I'm not against the RWC, all things equal it would be a great thing to host. But all things aren't equal, and I'm starting to see it as one huge ghost estate. Who pays for it all?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/03/2013 20:14:02    1357639

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27/03/2013 09:17:26
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, why couldnt the gaa bid on their own,arent they basically hosting 90% of the games anyway?
we have other stadiums that arent being used that could be used to make up the rugby ones aswell.

plain and simply the IRB wouldnt play games without the IRFU stadiums as theyd have to pay much more rent and have higher expenses.
and GAA wouldnt be hosting 90% of games

im not talking about the IRB I said the GAA host the competition without the IRFU having any say at all in the bid!!
you tell us thurles and the gaelic grounds wont be used well both them hold same amount as avivav and could easily replace it and thomond park if the gaa were to go alone,tthen the gaa could hold 100% of the matches meaning they get 100% of the money,think about it I cant see why is the IRFU even in on the bid for any other reason other then they are the rugby assocation in Ireland.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/03/2013 20:57:24    1357676

You think the GAA should host a rugby tournament? :/

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 27/03/2013 21:25:33    1357703

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You think the GAA should host a rugby tournament? :/

well arent nearly all the stadiums going to be gaa stadiums?
why not go alone on the bid instead of letting the irfu take most of the money?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/03/2013 10:38:49    1357794

Would be delighted to see our grounds being used to hold such a prestigious event. The tournament would be capped off with an Ireland New Zealand final in Croke Park!

whitegoodman (Tyrone) - Posts: 439 - 28/03/2013 11:25:12    1357829

Lads, will you all relax.

The stumbling block to all this will be the finances. You have stomp up over 100M euro, guaranteed, to the IRB, and they keep all the broadcast and sponsoring rights as well. On top there is the cost of development of stadia etc. You think the Irish government will in 5 or 6 years (when bid is due) have the monies to guarantee all this?

2023 do not see it happening.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 28/03/2013 11:55:07    1357853

27/03/2013 20:14:02
Marlon_JD
Well, the subsequent long-term use of the stadia will indeed make money for the GAA. But the GAA will not be paying for the upgrades required for the World Cup (I keep hearing that these 'huge checks' are one of the reasons the GAA will benefit). So who will be paying for all this in the first place, and how will THEY (i.e. probably the taxpayer) make their money back?
As for transport improvements, I'm all for it, but that has to be done incrementally and sustainably over a long period of time. We already have huge(probably unsustainable) long term debt, our hands are tied with regard to expenditure.
And I would have huge fears about the development of new hotels/restaurants/pubs that might not be necessary, as the usual suspects try to get in on the gig. I'm not against the RWC, all things equal it would be a great thing to host. But all things aren't equal, and I'm starting to see it as one huge ghost estate. Who pays for it all?
Money made back by economy through tourism, increased numbers in the country, government make extra revenue through tax from all the spending by visitors.
GAA will make rent, stadiums will get funding for development.
Ireland is small enough to be like New Zealand and visitors can use mobile homes, etc and travel around the country.

27/03/2013 20:57:24
hill16no1man
im not talking about the IRB I said the GAA host the competition without the IRFU having any say at all in the bid!!
you tell us thurles and the gaelic grounds wont be used well both them hold same amount as avivav and could easily replace it and thomond park if the gaa were to go alone,tthen the gaa could hold 100% of the matches meaning they get 100% of the money,think about it I cant see why is the IRFU even in on the bid for any other reason other then they are the rugby assocation in Ireland.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/03/2013 11:57:53    1357854

hill16no1man
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You think the GAA should host a rugby tournament? :/

well arent nearly all the stadiums going to be gaa stadiums?
why not go alone on the bid instead of letting the irfu take most of the money?

No I'd imagine they would use 6 rugby grounds and 4-6 GAA as necessary.

What other sports do you think the GAA should be organising events for?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 28/03/2013 12:39:19    1357887