08/03/2013 12:35:27
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, sure you are hardly going to get that 50 thousand into the ground in musgrave park are you at least with thurles they have the capacity and what harm to them supporters to stay in nearby towns or villages like alot of people do when they come to places outside of a city.for tourists the gaelic grounds is far better suited as you just said you have to go down differant roads where as the gaelic grounds would be ideal with it all on the one road far bigger capacity and a shopping centre right across the road from the ground.hahahaha well you hardly expect moyross people to slate their own area now do you?
i have been in there and i know people from just down from it and they certainly would tell you that nothing has changed just the papers have no interest in the place anymore and that they are given the best of facilites in moyross and have no respect for it by destroying them,alod of tourists strolling into the wrong arts would be like take candy from a baby.
come off it musgrave park is in bad shape and would be pointless doing it up as munster lay there when they know they wont get a crowd in THOMOND!!!!!(happy)
Never said for Musgrave to be upgraded to a 50'000 stadium. Max Musgrave will go up to is 15k-20k and it wont as there is not enough space to develop the ground to that extent as to do that it would require removing a pitch or two which are needed by the 2 tenant clubs, dolphin and da well.
What local towns and villages around Thurles could be used for accomodation? Nenaghs 40km or so from Thurles and there is no real public transport between the 2 towns. Where would all the people attending games in Thurles stay?
Thomond is a much better option than Gaelic Grounds because of its history, the quality of the ground

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2013 12:53:51    1345327

you need to take off your rugby glasses and see the facts gaelic grounds 50 thousand versus thomond park 25 thousand.
gaelic grounds situated on main road leadin to city centre and has several hotels and bed and breakfasts along this road and a shopping centre across the road versus thomond park situated in a dangerous area and has no hotels or amenities on its doorstop.the logical answer is gaelic grounds

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/03/2013 21:27:56    1345720

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you need to take off your rugby glasses and see the facts gaelic grounds 50 thousand versus thomond park 25 thousand.
gaelic grounds situated on main road leadin to city centre and has several hotels and bed and breakfasts along this road and a shopping centre across the road versus thomond park situated in a dangerous area and has no hotels or amenities on its doorstop.the logical answer is gaelic grounds

What in the name of God does a shopping centre have to do with anything?

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 08/03/2013 21:39:26    1345728

muckross

well they are tourists at the end of the day they wont be spending every wakening minute of their stay inside a ground watching a rugby match.
the shopping centre has a cinema there too and would be a great asset in such close proximity and would recieve alot of a boost by having the matches across the road in comparison to thomond that has a garda station and a run down corner shop close by.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/03/2013 21:55:40    1345744

08/03/2013 21:27:56
hill16no1man
you need to take off your rugby glasses and see the facts gaelic grounds 50 thousand versus thomond park 25 thousand.
gaelic grounds situated on main road leadin to city centre and has several hotels and bed and breakfasts along this road and a shopping centre across the road versus thomond park situated in a dangerous area and has no hotels or amenities on its doorstop.the logical answer is gaelic grounds
It isnt just capacity and Thomond will always be chosen ahead of Gaelic Grounds if only one Limerick stadium is used. As i said the strand and all the hotels on the ennis road are only a very short walk from Thomond as well. Thomond park is not in a dangerous area? If it was in such a dangerous area there would be stories of hundreds of incidents before/after munster matches but there isnt. There is hotels and amenities on its doorstep. There is the hotels on the ennis road which is on thomonds doorstep.
The logical answer is Thomond. Its a rugby ground erego no rent to be paid to another organisation, its a very historic rugby ground as well. its a better stadium with better facilities.

08/03/2013 21:55:40
hill16no1man
muckross, well they are tourists at the end of the day they wont be spending every wakening minute of their stay inside a ground watching a rugby match.
the shopping centre has a cinema there too and would be a great asset in such close proximity and would recieve alot of a boost by having the matches across the road in comparison to thomond that has a garda station and a run down corner shop close by.
All those facilites are used when munster play by visiting fans. So what if there is mayorstone garda station is beside Thomond? what run down corner shop are you on about?
Thomond will be chosen and if its a choice between Thomond and Gaelic Grounds it will always be Thomond

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 11:12:03    1345778

In answer to the question posed at the start I would not be in favour of giving the grounds to rugby, they are boasting about their inroads into traditional gaelic strongholds while their cheerleaders in the media focus on the negative in GAA. If they want to host the WC fund it themselves. However I like hill16s agrument re using it as a bargaining chip to get fairer coverage of our national games from the likes of RugbyTE.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 09/03/2013 14:00:33    1345849

09/03/2013 14:00:33
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In answer to the question posed at the start I would not be in favour of giving the grounds to rugby, they are boasting about their inroads into traditional gaelic strongholds while their cheerleaders in the media focus on the negative in GAA. If they want to host the WC fund it themselves. However I like hill16s agrument re using it as a bargaining chip to get fairer coverage of our national games from the likes of RugbyTE.
How is coverage not fair on GAA on Radio Telefis Eireann? What exactly makes the coverage unfair?
Who is boasting in rugby about inroads? They are talking about improved playing numbers?
What cheerleaders?
The IRFU would be funding it ourselves but they would be looking to our great rivals and friends in the GAA to help them get one of the worlds largest sporting events played in this country.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 14:32:48    1345865

Decrease the wages of the 'pay for play' mercenaries involved in Irish rugby
and let them use the cash to build their own stadia!
If rugby gets a grip in rural communities, amateurism, 'love of the game', and
community spirit will quickly be replace by greed, greed, greed!!!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 09/03/2013 14:51:26    1345875

09/03/2013 14:51:26
TheGateKeeper
Decrease the wages of the 'pay for play' mercenaries involved in Irish rugby
and let them use the cash to build their own stadia!
If rugby gets a grip in rural communities, amateurism, 'love of the game', and
community spirit will quickly be replace by greed, greed, greed!!!
Ha Ha Ha.
Who exactly in irish rugby are mercenaries? and why should men get their pay reduced?
Irish rugby has its own stadiums and will be using them but the IRFU are asking for other stadiums to use as extra stadiums apart from their own are required.
What about all the rugby clubs around the country in rural communities, who are amatuer and have plenty of community spirit and have "love of the game" of rugby?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 15:02:30    1345882

Ormind,anyone who moves to a club for money or purely for personal gain is a mercenary.They are in all sports and rugby is no different (the Gaa would have the least of them of any sport).
Your argument that rugby has its own stadia is way off base.Sure the league of ireland soccer set up has its own stadia but it wont be hosting the world cup anytime soon.Gaa grounds are essential to the IRFUs world cup bid.Theyre not just there for something "extra".

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 09/03/2013 16:03:10    1345911

09/03/2013 16:03:10
joncarter
Ormind,anyone who moves to a club for money or purely for personal gain is a mercenary.They are in all sports and rugby is no different (the Gaa would have the least of them of any sport).
Your argument that rugby has its own stadia is way off base.Sure the league of ireland soccer set up has its own stadia but it wont be hosting the world cup anytime soon.Gaa grounds are essential to the IRFUs world cup bid.Theyre not just there for something "extra".
No you are incorrect when you say anyone who moves to a club for money or purely personal gain is a mercenary.
They are not. Then every person in the world is a mercenary. If you are a full time worker and you are good at your job, a rival company offers you do move to do the same role at a higher wage are you a mercenary for moving. No you are not?
My argument that rugby has its own stadia is not way off base. How is it?
GAA grounds are essential to the world cup bid but its not like the GAA is being asked to provide all stadiums

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 16:13:53    1345917

I'm getting a horrible sense of deja vu, is this going to be another huge sop given to the developer class? Can't get away with building more un-needed houses, so give them millions (or knowing this country, billions) to redevelop stadiums and build hotels? Its all starting to sounds like another construction boom that'll never be paid for, but make a select few very wealthy.
I really hope people forget about Rugby or GAA for a second, and see this for what it could potentially be.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 09/03/2013 16:28:03    1345924

Think i seen a thread like this somewhere before,

same posters with the exact same reasons for and against.
why not repaste all the pages from the last time this was discussed, save a lot of energy.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 09/03/2013 16:46:42    1345934

09/03/2013 16:03:10
joncarter
Ormind,anyone who moves to a club for money or purely for personal gain is a mercenary.They are in all sports and rugby is no different (the Gaa would have the least of them of any sport).
Your argument that rugby has its own stadia is way off base.Sure the league of ireland soccer set up has its own stadia but it wont be hosting the world cup anytime soon.Gaa grounds are essential to the IRFUs world cup bid.Theyre not just there for something "extra".
Dont be deliberately obtuse. Its ORMOND. No letter A, I in the opening 6 letters of my username.
Trevor Hogan moved from Munster to Leinster 5/6 seasons ago because he wasnt getting game time with Munster. That move was for personal gain as he moved to get more gametime i suppose he's a mercenary.
Would you if it was offered to you, move to a new city to do the same role in a new company for much higher pay. Would you be a mercenary for accepting.
How is my argument that the IRFU has its own stadiums way off base. it isnt at all.
Your point about LOI is f'n ridiculous and not relevant to the argument.
Gaelic grounds are essential to the bid. where did i state otherwise?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 16:57:49    1345946

Yes you are right.If Im working for say Company A,and then Company B offers me more money I will move.I dont care about Company A.Im only there for the money.Therefore in my own way I am a mercenary.Im not denying it.But this just proves that players in pro sport like rugby see their clubs as employers and cash cows and dont have much affection for the thing itself.You have inadvertently proved my point there.
As for the stadia i was under the impression that you said that the Gaa were there for "something extra".If anything it is the traditional rugby grounds that will be the add ons if we do stage the thing.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 09/03/2013 17:04:10    1345950

09/03/2013 17:04:10
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Yes you are right.If Im working for say Company A,and then Company B offers me more money I will move.I dont care about Company A.Im only there for the money.Therefore in my own way I am a mercenary.Im not denying it.But this just proves that players in pro sport like rugby see their clubs as employers and cash cows and dont have much affection for the thing itself.You have inadvertently proved my point there.
As for the stadia i was under the impression that you said that the Gaa were there for "something extra".If anything it is the traditional rugby grounds that will be the add ons if we do stage the thing.
In many ways yes money is a key determinent. Sexton move as example the chance to play in another top competition, top 14, is another driver. As is chance to live in one of worlds greatest cities.
You will have the same argument no matter what and will say oh they are mercenaries so i couldnt be arsed debating it with you any longer.
No stadiums will be "add ons". How do define what an "add on" is in this regard?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 18:00:10    1345973

Time for the Rugby authorities to help start a global passion for a GAA World Cup ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3227 - 09/03/2013 18:18:25    1345991

ormondbannerman

you wont look at the gaelic grounds versus thomond arguement as the facts lie you just say thomond should be it thats it all logic says gaelic grounds has far better suitbalility for the competition and your only arguement is that thomond has tradition and rugby stadium, also im sure you have notice the gaelic grounds has got the go ahead to host concerts so where do you think the big concerts will be held in gaelic grounds or thomond,
limerick is the one city in ireland where they will buy into rugby in a big way i think it would be madness to not have both stadiums and plenty of matches there as they well actualy get natives going to watch games between other countries,where as other countys wouldnt bother.

no they are not all used by munster matches, most have to use city centre to get anything near thomond its well away from anything outside town,hardly a tourist attraction having a big garda station next door to the ground is it? johnsys shop is the corner shop i was on about and a run down pub across the road also,
most people have to get something in the locke bar or the curragower before munster matches hardly near by.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/03/2013 18:22:25    1345993

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09/03/2013 16:03:10
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Ormind,anyone who moves to a club for money or purely for personal gain is a mercenary.They are in all sports and rugby is no different (the Gaa would have the least of them of any sport).
Your argument that rugby has its own stadia is way off base.Sure the league of ireland soccer set up has its own stadia but it wont be hosting the world cup anytime soon.Gaa grounds are essential to the IRFUs world cup bid.Theyre not just there for something "extra".
No you are incorrect when you say anyone who moves to a club for money or purely personal gain is a mercenary.
They are not. Then every person in the world is a mercenary. If you are a full time worker and you are good at your job, a rival company offers you do move to do the same role at a higher wage are you a mercenary for moving. No you are not?
My argument that rugby has its own stadia is not way off base. How is it?
GAA grounds are essential to the world cup bid but its not like the GAA is being asked to provide all stadiums

again you fail diffrenciate between sport and business which proves rugby is headin down the same road as soccer becoming a money buisness.
sport was never set up to be for money.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/03/2013 18:24:59    1345996

09/03/2013 18:22:25
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ormondbannerman, you wont look at the gaelic grounds versus thomond arguement as the facts lie you just say thomond should be it thats it all logic says gaelic grounds has far better suitbalility for the competition and your only arguement is that thomond has tradition and rugby stadium, also im sure you have notice the gaelic grounds has got the go ahead to host concerts so where do you think the big concerts will be held in gaelic grounds or thomond,
limerick is the one city in ireland where they will buy into rugby in a big way i think it would be madness to not have both stadiums and plenty of matches there as they well actualy get natives going to watch games between other countries,where as other countys wouldnt bother.

no they are not all used by munster matches, most have to use city centre to get anything near thomond its well away from anything outside town,hardly a tourist attraction having a big garda station next door to the ground is it? johnsys shop is the corner shop i was on about and a run down pub across the road also,
most people have to get something in the locke bar or the curragower before munster matches hardly near by.
Hill. Gaelic Grounds is not a better ground. It has a bigger capacity but isnt a better ground.
Facilities in Thomond are much better in everything from off the field bars, shops etc in the ground than gaelic ground. its a rugby ground so crowd are not miles from the pitch.
Yes they are used by munster matches. Thomond is not well away from anything outside town.
Locke bar and Curragower are very close to Thomond.
Curraghower is one mile from Thomond. Straight down cratloe road, sexton street north, the high road and then along clancys strand. Locke bar is about a mile and a half away and are on the way into town for all fans who go into town after games
Sorry couldnt think where you were on about when you said johnseys. yeah johnseys just up from thomond and certainly isnt run down.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/03/2013 19:08:39    1346022