06/03/2013 20:35:44
Marlon_JD
Who pays for this redevelopment of GAA grounds, where does the money come from?
Government funds, IRFU, GAA.
Why people so anti this esp if it meant shite(nothing to do with atmosphere just facilities) stadiums got redeveloped and modernised.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/03/2013 20:51:20    1344371

ormondbannerman

The embarressment to FAI (& IRFU ???) was when they brought UEFA to Croke Park they had not even asked to bring them there, they had not even asked for the use of the place and they had not told UEFA those 2 simple facts.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 06/03/2013 21:16:07    1344412

There are plenty shite rugby grounds for you if thats your attitude

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 06/03/2013 21:17:33    1344414

Ignoring the Ormond bias,

I am in favour of giving them a once-off use of a few grounds and getting a decent pull to spend on press facilities where those are not perfect and of course 20% of the gates to use, like last time, to fund club & county grounds.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 06/03/2013 21:30:06    1344429

The GAA should be commended for use of their stadiums but they are not doing it for charity. Their stadiums will be updated and they will get rent from the IRFU. They made millions from the Croke Park deal. Yes rugby will benefit too but it's a win for both, plus promoting the country. It's a no brainer.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1136 - 06/03/2013 21:33:25    1344436

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Who pays for this redevelopment of GAA grounds, where does the money come from?
Government funds, IRFU, GAA.
Why people so anti this esp if it meant shite(nothing to do with atmosphere just facilities) stadiums got redeveloped and modernised.
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First, I never said i was anti or pro, I just asked a question.

Secondly, why on earth would the GAA spend their own money upgrading their stadiums for a non-GAA sporting event? I wouldn't expect the IRFU to spend money on upgrading their grounds just so the GAA could use them.

As for the government spending money to redevelop stadiums, no irish government should be spending money like that any time soon.
Redevelopment of GAA stadiums for international sporting event use would not be a simple task. Apart from that fact that most grounds are at least half terraced, and the seating thats available isn't always the most comfy, GAA grounds are mostly un-roofed. And the ones that are roofed are usually inadequately roofed. We're all practically amphibious at this stage, so we're used to it, but i don't think it'd wash (pun intended) with an international crowd. It would be a major financial undertaking, and frankly, our government should have very different priorities at the moment.

I'd hoped the whole 'spend now, think later' things was behind us.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/03/2013 21:38:15    1344444

Hill16no1man, Ireland hosting the World Cup would mean far less GAA coverage in the media, not more. Will be lucky to get half a page in the years leading up to it

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/03/2013 21:38:28    1344446

This is bad for the GAA, on so many levels and this is no argument to promote the whole idea with the GAA, you know to "just lie down and think of Ireland". IRFU wouldn't be interested in most of the GAA stadium's they will surely be looking to use this to develop their own grounds and fair play to them. Leave them at it

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 07/03/2013 08:58:20    1344495

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06/03/2013 18:32:29
hill16no1man
i would imagine the gaelic grounds would be used aswell as thomond park as its double the capacity of thomond and only 5 mins walk
dont see both being used and see other GAA stadiums being used ahead of gaelic grounds. difficult to see 2 stadiums from 1 smallish city being used. Dublin likely to be only city with more than 1 stadium.

well if you dont see both being used i would imagine thomond park will lose out so as the gaelic grounds is double the capacity and is in a far better area of limerick for showcasing the city.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/03/2013 09:38:37    1344516

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06/03/2013 20:35:44
Marlon_JD
Who pays for this redevelopment of GAA grounds, where does the money come from?
Government funds, IRFU, GAA.
Why people so anti this esp if it meant *****(nothing to do with atmosphere just facilities) stadiums got redeveloped and modernised.

whats with the putting down of gaa stadiums,rugby is hardly in a position to talk when they need the gaa to host most of the games for them!!!!
also the gaa stadiums would be way above what new zealand had hosting the last world cup,at least there would be no grass banks behind the goals like one stadium i saw over there.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/03/2013 09:42:53    1344518

ad.monkey
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Hill16no1man, Ireland hosting the World Cup would mean far less GAA coverage in the media, not more. Will be lucky to get half a page in the years leading up to it

thats my point the gaa hold the aces here as their aint hoe of this tournament being run without them.
so they should lay out a few demands to both the irfu and the national mediums.
make sure they get exactly how much they want off the irfu and make it clear its once again only a for this competition.
then make sure that the media signs some sort of a contract both the newspapers and tv stations agreeing to give the national sport of this country far more coverage and proper coverage it deserves as being the most popular sport in the country,we have heard a few select gaa people complain about the lack of media coverage so this would be there chance to make sure something is done about it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/03/2013 09:48:28    1344522

There is one thing I would caution about regarding Ireland bidding for a major tournament of any kind.

Politicians as well as those in support of the idea will often claim that a major tournament will boost the economy through tourism, jobs creation etc. This is not true.

Any major tournament held in Ireland will cost the country money and won't give any economic boost to us.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 07/03/2013 10:17:42    1344544

Hill16 it would be hugely unethical of any media outlet to agree to that, Joe Stalin would approve though

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 07/03/2013 10:29:31    1344551

The GAA needs to promote Gaelic Football and Hurling and not rely on rugby for revenue. These are two interesting and entertaining sports. They are largely unknown outside of Ireland. If the GAA wants to promote Croke Park, increase tourism, and generate some revenue they already have the product on the field. They just need to increase awareness of football and hurling amongst tourisists and there will be more attendance, then more revenue.

Also if the GAA were to promote their sports better than they do now, there would be more revenue every year; not just one year. And Ireland would not have to wait 10 more years to get a boost. They could see it in 2013.

mikeyjoe (USA) - Posts: 415 - 07/03/2013 11:00:50    1344578

bad.monkey
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Hill16 it would be hugely unethical of any media outlet to agree to that, Joe Stalin would approve though

is it not unethical to follow the british media like sheep?
like heres the biggest examle rte sport news always begins with soccer in england yet its not irish sport,but yet they start the programme off with politics howcome they dont show us english poilitics ahead of irish politics like they do with the sport?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/03/2013 12:07:30    1344638

yeah the gaa needs to promote itself better everybody agrees that but the other organisations get massive hel from media outlets and they are already professional where as the gaa gets very little coverage despite being the largest sport in the country.
media is the most influencing form of increasing popularity just look at some of these pop kids who have barely any talent but once the media hypes them there popularity goes through the roof

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 07/03/2013 12:09:39    1344641

07/03/2013 09:38:37
hill16no1man
i would imagine the gaelic grounds would be used aswell as thomond park as its double the capacity of thomond and only 5 mins walk
ormondbannerman
dont see both being used and see other GAA stadiums being used ahead of gaelic grounds. difficult to see 2 stadiums from 1 smallish city being used. Dublin likely to be only city with more than 1 stadium.
hill16no1man
well if you dont see both being used i would imagine thomond park will lose out so as the gaelic grounds is double the capacity and is in a far better area of limerick for showcasing the city.
Thomond Park will not lose out. One of the best, most known rugby stadiums in the world. Nothing wrong with Limericks location. Why is thomond being near Moyross, the park etc an issue? Never has been for any other Munster game before. So why would it for a potential world cup?

07/03/2013 09:42:53
hill16no1man
whats with the putting down of gaa stadiums,rugby is hardly in a position to talk when they need the gaa to host most of the games for them!!!!
also the gaa stadiums would be way above what new zealand had hosting the last world cup,at least there would be no grass banks behind the goals like one stadium i saw over there.
A world Cup here is a total different issue to the last one held in New Zealand. That was more than likely the last ever time the world cup will have been hosted by New Zealand. A better comparison would be the next 2 world cups and look at the calibre of stadiums used.

07/03/2013 09:48:28
hill16no1man
thats my point the gaa hold the aces here as their aint hoe of this tournament being run without them.
so they should lay out a few demands to both the irfu and the national mediums.
make sure they get exactly how much they want off the irfu and make it clear its once again only a for this competition.
then make sure that the media signs some sort of a contract both the newspapers and tv stations agreeing to give the national sport of this country far more coverage and proper coverage it deserves as being the most popular sport in the country,we have heard a few select gaa people complain about the lack of media coverage so this would be there chance to make sure something is done about it
No hope of any media outlet signing any kind of contract that they have to give x and y sport "far more coverage and proper coverage" as that is impacting the medias freedom of expression. will bever happen

07/03/2013 10:17:42
MesAmis
There is one thing I would caution about regarding Ireland bidding for a major tournament of any kind.
Politicians as well as those in support of the idea will often claim that a major tournament will boost the economy through tourism, jobs creation etc. This is not true.
Any major tournament held in Ireland will cost the country money and won't give any economic boost to us.
You mad?
Of course it will. Thousands of people would be in Ireland that otherwise would not. Many would be staying for a few weeks or on several weekends. Theyd be spending money in pubs, restuarants, hotels, bnbs across the country as well as shops etc. That is a very big economic benefit to the country.
Dont see how you could think that a tournament being held in Ireland wouldnt give any economic boost.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/03/2013 12:16:39    1344656

The championship is the only GAA event that will get coverage as its the only one anyone cares about - have a listen to the Longford u21 managers interview after the match last night. Fairly honest in saying that all other comps are merely preparation for the championship. And with a rugby World Cup even the championship will get no media coverage!

I like your idea but it is completely unworkable and unethical

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 07/03/2013 12:26:08    1344665

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You're absolutley correct Muckrosshead. Yet another example of Donegal getting overlooked as though it doesn't exist, and no-one knows where it is. Shameful carry on and a real pity because after Kerry, I think it's the most scenic county in Munster.

Good man festinog. I can feel a bandwagon starting. If Master can get the whole country up in arms about splitting Dublin, then I don't see why there shouldn't be editorials in the Irish Times about the disgraceful treatment of Ballybofey not getting at least a semi final after all the money we are spending on it to get ready for Tyrone.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 07/03/2013 12:28:30    1344669

MesAmis
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There is one thing I would caution about regarding Ireland bidding for a major tournament of any kind.

Politicians as well as those in support of the idea will often claim that a major tournament will boost the economy through tourism, jobs creation etc. This is not true.

Any major tournament held in Ireland will cost the country money and won't give any economic boost to us.

Care to expand on this? Or what facts are you basing this on?

It's just I was under the impression that the host union may technically make a loss but that the economy as a whole would make economical gains.
Here's a link to a story about the gain to NZ economy.
http://www.thomaswhite.com/explore-the-world/postcard/2011/new-zealand-rugby-world-cup.aspx

Also, bear in mind that the relative isolation of NZ and associated costs of getting there and you would expect greater numbers of overseas visitors to attend a WC in Ireland and therefore a greater boost to the economy. However, I do realise that a lot of European supporters could fly in and out for the weekend of games and not spend month long holidays like many people would have in New Zealand.

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 160 - 07/03/2013 12:33:15    1344672