Jack_Goff
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I'm also in favor of this but if the government gives the IRFU money they would want to give the GAA the exact same. If the GAA have their stadiums done up and make substantial money from the IRFU renting them for the WC then OK. Otherwise no.

Spot on AthCliath, Ormand is on a crusade here to promote rugby, he ruins so many threads and personally I think if he'd no input to a lot of threads. Way too biased.

The Irish goverment does not have the money to back such a project, as much as they might want to. The Troika want them to cut the public sector, and cut billions to eradicate the annual deficit between Ireland's Income and spending.
Add the massive bank burden, and you see a country that will be struggling for many years.

Do we know who is backing this bid? I mean who is backing this bid financially?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 02/04/2013 18:10:50    1359937

29/03/2013 21:54:48
GaryMc82
I'm in favour of Ireland hosting a Rugby World cup, and also in favour of the GAA allowing its stadiums to be used in such a bid.
However I'm still confused to how or who will fund the Stadium work needed, as most GAA, IRFU Stadiums will need substancialadditional work prior to such an event.
1. The Republic of Ireland as a nation is broke, meaning significant government funding is Impossible.
2. The IRFU does not have the funds needed to refurbish all the Stadiums required.
3. National Lottery support could not cover even 10% of it.
I'm Interested in were the required money is coming from, clearly the IRFU know funding is available to them if they are considering a bid. But who is pulling the strings????
Ireland is not totally broke and enough government funding would be available if the return on investment was good enough.
If you look at the IRFU stadiums listed as potential venues most do not need substantial work prior to the world cup and others have worked already planned and scheduled to start. Aviva, Thomond are ready already, Ravenhill work is scheduled to start very soon and RDS plans are in the pipeline and funding is available.
IRFU wouldn't be refurbishing all stadiums. GAA would as well and National Lottery support and reserves would cover a considerable amount,

30/03/2013 08:10:39
Jack_Goff
I'm also in favor of this but if the government gives the IRFU money they would want to give the GAA the exact same. If the GAA have their stadiums done up and make substantial money from the IRFU renting them for the WC then OK. Otherwise no.
Spot on AthCliath, Ormand is on a crusade here to promote rugby, he ruins so many threads and personally I think if he'd no input to a lot of threads. Way too biased.
Who is "Ormand" by the way?
GAA would be getting plenty of benefits from rent from hosting games, funding for redeveloping grounds. Free PR.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/04/2013 20:21:28    1359995

GaryMc82
County: Derry
The Irish goverment does not have the money to back such a project, as much as they might want to. The Troika want them to cut the public sector, and cut billions to eradicate the annual deficit between Ireland's Income and spending.
Add the massive bank burden, and you see a country that will be struggling for many years.

Do we know who is backing this bid? I mean who is backing this bid financially?

You got it in one, glad there's some people seeing sense. Unfortunately, it looks as if no real lessons have been learned from the last 5 years, and our banking system is essentially going to revert to how it operated prior to the crash. Same story with how developement is regulated, or in our case, not. So I just fear, really fear, that this is going to go ahead with the return of reckless lending to reckless developers, and the same money-go-round will kick off again, with the same appalling consequences afterwards. And the population might turn a blind eye again because there's a big shiny World Cup at the end of it.

I really hope that people aren't hoodwinked again.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 02/04/2013 20:31:18    1360002

It is an obsolute compliment and tribute to the the GAA that they have their house so much in order that other national sports associations would need to go to them looking for favours. The GAA have contributed so much to society in Ireland since its foundation when 'ordinary people/peasants' were not allowed to participate in the playing rugby and soccer as well as other sports.

I think if other associations want to use facilities developed and grown by grassroots, 'peasants' and through democracratic means by the GAA that they should beg more. Afterall, its not the GAA's fault that there are no soccer or rugby grassroots in the country and that they failed to develop whats there despite having such a head start on the GAA when it was founded. I think they should be made come out and tell everyone how jelous they are of the GAA and of what a good organisation it is.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 11:44:29    1360161

It was the GAA who prevented people from playing other sports, back to school...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 03/04/2013 13:41:31    1360232

bad.monkey
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It was the GAA who prevented people from playing other sports, back to school...

...and before that bad monkey the peasants were not allowed to compete at Athletic meetings or to participate in organised soccer and rugby games. Why do you think the ban was a part of our games for so long!! People forget/don't know this. One of the many reasons the GAA was set up was because the normal Joe soap Catholic Irish fella was not allowed to participate in other sports in this country and CLG was to give those a sporting, pastime and social outlet. The clue s in the name - Cumann Lúthchleas Gael. The Gaeil were usually not of a good enough class for the upper class rugger folk in particular at that time.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 13:49:37    1360243

I see Old Trafford has been withdrawn in England by Manchester United. As a nation they are meant to be riding this recession fairly well.Just shows that rugby is piggy backing of other sports in other countries too to host their 'world cups'. Must not be as popular as were led to believe by the irish times etc. This is just simply an event we can not afford. Very black and white case to be honest. The gains do not justify the investment.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 03/04/2013 14:28:45    1360282

Bain
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Must not be as popular as were led to believe by the irish times etc. This is just simply an event we can not afford. Very black and white case to be honest. The gains do not justify the investment.

I'd agree with this. Now that our golden era for rugby is almost over expect to see a huge decline in the amount of ''rugby supporters'' going to games. Its just in the Irish phsche to jump on bandwagons and to be event junkies. When the event isn't as attractive or when the whells fall off the wagon the ''supporters'' dissappear. Oh how feeble we Irish are.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 14:36:33    1360292

Perfectly summed up Culann. Its endemic in irish attitudes to any sport. One only has to look at everyones own county when they make a run in the championship. My own being the best example. barely 10k in mc cool park against derry last year, fast forward to the semi and there was 50k to watch them v Cork. Saw people at that game who have never been to a game in years. Its like we need to be associated with success to feel better about ourselves. 2009 was the high point for irish rugby, well done to all involved. Its starting to fall now. This is evident in packed grounds before now showing plenty of empty seats. if there is 250 rugby clubs in the entire country id be surprised. A support base of this size cannot justify an international tournament. Its the same as asking Cork to host the entire football championship in 6 weeks using existing club grounds.2 decent stadiums in the city but nothing of note outside that. Thats the scale of the challenge as i can see it to the IRFU hosting this. The country cant afford this. Nothing to do with other sports. If it was the euros in soccer id say the exact same. Be great to have these things held here. the PR would be invaluable to the country but we have to think with our heads and not our hearts. Thats what has us in this current mess. We just cannot affford this tournament. Simple.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 03/04/2013 14:59:34    1360304

Culann the game of the peasant & farmer in Ireland prior to the GAA was cricket, played in towns and villages across in the country. This didnt suit the nationalist agenda but you cant erase history. There was no ban on anyone playing soccer or rugby. To answer your question the GAA's ban lastly so long due to xenophobia and bigotry

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 03/04/2013 15:43:15    1360335

bad.monkey
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Culann the game of the peasant & farmer in Ireland prior to the GAA was cricket, played in towns and villages across in the country. This didnt suit the nationalist agenda but you cant erase history. There was no ban on anyone playing soccer or rugby. To answer your question the GAA's ban lastly so long due to xenophobia and bigotry

Ok but be sure not to erase history!!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 15:58:07    1360343

Culann
County: Dublin
I think if other associations want to use facilities developed and grown by grassroots, 'peasants' and through democracratic means by the GAA that they should beg more. Afterall, its not the GAA's fault that there are no soccer or rugby grassroots in the country and that they failed to develop whats there despite having such a head start on the GAA when it was founded. I think they should be made come out and tell everyone how jelous they are of the GAA and of what a good organisation it is.

Culann, how is any of that helpful? No-one should have to beg, no-one should have to proclaim any jealousy. Either the use of GAA stadia for the world cup is of benefit (or at least not detrimental) to the GAA, or its detrimental to the GAA and promotions of Gaelic games, that's all that need to be considered. Playing the downtrodden peasants card, and being bitter towards rugby for the sake of it is only making a rod for your own back, or the back of GAA people in general, even if they don't share those views. Bitterness just clouds the issue.

And none of us are peasants

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/04/2013 16:16:33    1360361

Marlon_JD
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Culann, how is any of that helpful? No-one should have to beg, no-one should have to proclaim any jealousy. Either the use of GAA stadia for the world cup is of benefit (or at least not detrimental) to the GAA, or its detrimental to the GAA and promotions of Gaelic games, that's all that need to be considered. Playing the downtrodden peasants card, and being bitter towards rugby for the sake of it is only making a rod for your own back, or the back of GAA people in general, even if they don't share those views. Bitterness just clouds the issue.

And none of us are peasants

Just if I could make two points on that. I never said it was supposed to be helpful. I just couldn't be bothered being poilitically correct and tip toeing around because what I am saying isn't popular. I'm just calling it the qway I see it. If that goes against the populor consensus so be it.

Second off I am not against rugby in any way. None what so ever. There is absolutely no bitterness. I like rugby. If Ireland were playing there is a good chance i'd watch it on the television. Again I am just calling things as I see them. Rugby's golden era is over in my view.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 16:25:36    1360368

03/04/2013 11:44:29
Culann
It is an obsolute compliment and tribute to the the GAA that they have their house so much in order that other national sports associations would need to go to them looking for favours. The GAA have contributed so much to society in Ireland since its foundation when 'ordinary people/peasants' were not allowed to participate in the playing rugby and soccer as well as other sports.
I think if other associations want to use facilities developed and grown by grassroots, 'peasants' and through democracratic means by the GAA that they should beg more. Afterall, its not the GAA's fault that there are no soccer or rugby grassroots in the country and that they failed to develop whats there despite having such a head start on the GAA when it was founded. I think they
should be made come out and tell everyone how jelous they are of the GAA and of what a good organisation it is.
No the irish rugby union are not jealous of the GAA. Jealous of some things ye do just like the GAA would be jealous of some things the IRFU/FAI do.
No they will not beg more.
Dont be ignorant. There certainly is rugby and soccer grassroots in the country. Look all over the country and you will see that there is

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/04/2013 16:32:00    1360376

bad.monkey
County: USA
To answer your question the GAA's ban lastly so long due to xenophobia and bigotry

Is that why the ban lasted so long? There was no other reason? Hmmm...

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/04/2013 16:32:25    1360378

03/04/2013 14:28:45
Bain
I see Old Trafford has been withdrawn in England by Manchester United. As a nation they are meant to be riding this recession fairly well.Just shows that rugby is piggy backing of other sports in other countries too to host their 'world cups'. Must not be as popular as were led to believe by the irish times etc. This is just simply an event we can not afford. Very black and white case to be honest. The gains do not justify the investment.
No piggybacking on other sports. Old Trafford regularly used for rugby games. Has hosted final of english rugby league's super league every year for well over a decade.
We can afford it and its over a decade away and with proper financial management we could definately do it. Gains for tourism, knock on effects would be beneficial and would be a good ROI

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/04/2013 16:41:15    1360382

Very lutt

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/04/2013 16:45:09    1360385

03/04/2013 14:36:33
Culann
I'd agree with this. Now that our golden era for rugby is almost over expect to see a huge decline in the amount of ''rugby supporters'' going to games. Its just in the Irish phsche to jump on bandwagons and to be event junkies. When the event isn't as attractive or when the whells fall off the wagon the ''supporters'' dissappear. Oh how feeble we Irish are.
No we Irish are not feeble. Our golden era in terms of players who started off our improvement is nearly up but we are producing some of the best young players in europe in the clubs and schools across the country and we are going to continue to do well. No there will not be a huge decline in supporters. Playing numbers are increasing across the country and that will help the provinces widen the playing base and improve over time and keep support base up.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/04/2013 16:51:34    1360388

Bain
County: Donegal
The country cant afford this. Nothing to do with other sports. If it was the euros in soccer id say the exact same. Be great to have these things held here. the PR would be invaluable to the country but we have to think with our heads and not our hearts. Thats what has us in this current mess. We just cannot affford this tournament. Simple.

Exactly. It'd be great to be able to stage something like this, but if we're being realistic, its not economically feasible. I think there's always an intial excitement when these things are floated, and people tend to forget reality and get a bit carried away. But as time passes and people think about it more clearly, or are at least reminded about the economic quicksand we're in, I think the general population will recognise that its not worth tanking our economy for, again. I hope.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/04/2013 17:11:39    1360407

ormondbannerman
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03/04/2013 14:36:33
No we Irish are not feeble. Our golden era in terms of players who started off our improvement is nearly up but we are producing some of the best young players in europe in the clubs and schools across the country and we are going to continue to do well. No there will not be a huge decline in supporters. Playing numbers are increasing across the country and that will help the provinces widen the playing base and improve over time and keep support base up.

I really do not think I am wrong here Ormond. I do not wish any illfealing to rugby but Irish people are the most delicate type in the world (in my opinion). Expect them to move on to whatever is the latest 'cool' thing. When the going gets tough the Irish people disappear. Looks at politics in the country. Look at the 'great fans' we had at the European Championships last summer? Where are they now when they are needed. Look at the tteatment of Trappatoni and the Irish rugby coach Kidney in the media. Instead of getting behind our sports teams in time of need we go missing and on the populous critisising band wagon. Kidney was arguably our best manager ever. No one else could have got Ireland to the European Championships in soccer with that team. But because Hook and Dunphy are given air time and column inches the whole country jump on their bandwagons. The Irish sporting followers in general are like the Celtic Tiger - one big bubble waiting to burst.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 17:41:23    1360429