28/03/2013 19:11:58
hill16no1man
are you serious lads they are going to use musgrave park,rds and sportsgrounds?
musgarve park would never be used munster already have a stadium inthomond park thats big enough,they only play in musgrave when they know they wont get a crowd at it and its in an awful state it would cost millions to get the capacity anywhere near right.
rds is not a rugby ground sure they even have to wheel in the stands behind the goals as it is they wouldnt be allowed put permanent stands in their place as its first and foremost and equestrian park.
now your really having a laugh with the sportsgrounds come on its basically a club gaa ground at best,you might aswell be building anew stadium from scratch as talking about using that place.
Yes i am entirely serious.
You are showing a lack of knowledge about rugby in Munster if you think Munster only play in Musgrave if they don't think they will get a crowd at games.
Musgrave is in Cork closer to the biggest population base Munster has.
Wouldn't take Millions at all to get Musgrave in shape. Look at the new stand put in place in Musgrave in the past few years and that cost nowhere near one million.
RDS is not owned by Leinster but there is plans for its redevelopment to modernise the stands and terrances.
Now im not having a laugh with the sportsground. Connacht are improving year on year in terms of support/finance etc and are looking to improve the sportsground and the stadium would be perfect for the small pool games that wouldn't get huge attendances

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 13:40:15    1358419

28/03/2013 20:38:18
Marlon_JD
Wow, that's a shocking statement. You think we're that much better than Greece? Have you not paid any attention to whats been happening over the last 5 years, do you have any sense of how tenuous our economic situation is? Have you heard any of the following terms recently: bank guarantee, banking collapse, bailout, recession, unsustainable debt, negative equity, unemployment, sale of state assets, emigration, austerity, stealth taxes, cuts, cuts, cuts..... I don't want to start name-calling or lecturing, but if you think we can afford ANYTHING, you're delusional or extremely sheltered. As soon as we can afford anything, its carers allowances we need first, not stadia.
Well, you're answers to my previous question seemed to indicate you are.
I do think we are better than Greece. Look at all responses to our financial crisis by those who are helping us get out of the situation and we are not in the same situation as are mates in the Mediterranean.
With proper management we most definitely could host this competition.
I am neither delusional nor sheltered and yes health/education budgets have to taken care of before any government aid is looked at for this potential project but there is no reason why we cant do this

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 13:44:23    1358421

29/03/2013 12:24:08
Louth Gael
What is going on, at same time the Limerick delegates were complaining that some schools in Limerick won't allow Gaelic games to be played they vote 100% in favour of allowing the grounds be used for the RWC. Are we for real, it's time we got a grip and had a serious debate about what this will do for and against the GAA. There is something very suspicious going on when you consider rule 42 only passed because they promised it was only Croke Park and only while the Aviva was being built and they stressed this would not lead to other grounds being used yet now a vote to open other stadia passes with 93%. It just doesn't make sense. Why was it so important in 2005 that only Croke Park is used and only for a limited amount of time but now it doesn't matter.
Anybody know what schools in Limerick were being talked about?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 13:57:08    1358435

29/03/2013 12:26:41
Sergeant_Slash
That's right, we're not Greece, Greece is a far wealthier country than Ireland. FACT.
Not doubting you are anything but what do you have to back that up.
Greece has had a much worse problem than us because of the huge number of non tax payers in Greece. the level of tax paid in Greece is ridiculous

29/03/2013 12:54:22
ahsure.
12 Stadia..
Croke Park (Dublin) Aviva Stadium (Dublin) Thomond Park (Limerick) Gaelic Grounds (Limerick)
Páirc Ui Chaoimh (Cork) Fitzgerald Stadium (Killarney) Pearse Stadium (Galway)
Semple Stadium (Thurles) McHale Park (Castlebar) Ravenhill (Belfast) Casement Park (Belfast)
And a final GAA stadium from up North or maybe the RDS in Dublin.
I think this is very possible and hopefully all the GAA folk can leave their differences to one side and "back to bid"
Only stadiums id have issues with are Pairc ui chaoimh because of its current state and semple stadium because of the lack of hotels etc in and near Thurles to cope with maybe 35000-40000 spectators. Hurling/football games where everyone arrives and goes home the same day would be entirely different situations to a potential world cup game held there

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 14:02:43    1358438

29/03/2013 12:59:47
moomoo
Do you actually answer any questions put to you? Ill ask again if Rugby is such a big game why do they have to look for other stadiums? Boards.ie cant be used as an example of anything is its the most bias and one sided forum out there. The GAA have worked to have the likes of Croke Park so why should they let the Johnny come lately Rugby lads come and use what they've built. You seem to think the IRFU have some kind or right to be let use GAA grounds
I do answer questions put to me.
Rugby is a big game but is looking for stadiums as we don't have enough stadiums.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa. You are going on about boards saying it is the most biased and one sided forum out there when you are actually on one of the most biased. Boards is much better in so many ways than this site although this site has some great advantages over boards.
Then you have a go at rugby fans.
No I don't think the IRFU have a right to use GAA grounds

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 14:06:50    1358440

Why does anyone respond to bannerman he is obviously a PR man for rugby. The discussion should be about what is best for the GAA not for Rugby or the economy.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 29/03/2013 14:31:15    1358454

29/03/2013 14:31:15
Louth Gael
Why does anyone respond to bannerman he is obviously a PR man for rugby. The discussion should be about what is best for the GAA not for Rugby or the economy.
I am not a PR man for rugby. Il defend rugby when tall tales about the sport are told. I discuss the points made

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 14:45:49    1358463

Louth Gael
County: Louth
Posts: 984

1358454
Why does anyone respond to bannerman he is obviously a PR man for rugby. The discussion should be about what is best for the GAA not for Rugby or the economy.

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So in essence you are saying that the GAA is more important than sizeable economic benefits for the whole island?

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1666 - 29/03/2013 15:21:42    1358483

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 4170

1358463 29/03/2013 14:31:15
Louth Gael
Why does anyone respond to bannerman he is obviously a PR man for rugby. The discussion should be about what is best for the GAA not for Rugby or the economy.
I am not a PR man for rugby. Il defend rugby when tall tales about the sport are told. I discuss the points made

Truth is you just have a look every now and then on hoganstand to see if the word rugby is on any thread and then you are on every second comment about it,
Gaa people are discussing the pros and cons of this developement, your too biased to be in on the discussion.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 29/03/2013 15:23:15    1358484

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
I do think we are better than Greece. Look at all responses to our financial crisis by those who are helping us get out of the situation and we are not in the same situation as are mates in the Mediterranean.

This is getting exhausting. First no-one is helping us out of our financial crisis. Our 'bailouts' are loans, high interest loans, that we have to pay back. With interest. Hence the debt, the unsustainable debt. Hence the reason we have no money. Hence the reasons why we shouldn't borrow any extra money for anything non-essential, it would break us. Then, our situation would be worse than Greece's. No matter what anyone tells you, we're in the same boat as Spain, Portugal, Greece etc, all our fates are tied together.

And by the way, the stereotype of the non-taxpaying Greek is competely over-blown, the levies that a cadre have avoided paying in Ireland are a much bigger problem.

With proper management we most definitely could host this competition.
I am neither delusional nor sheltered and yes health/education budgets have to taken care of before any government aid is looked at for this potential project but there is no reason why we cant do this

Proper management? From whom? The people who paved over the country and built ghosts estates in the middle of nowhere that would never be lived in, would never cover the cost of construction? The people who made the taxpayer take on the debts of out of control developers? The people who borrowed billions that could never be payed back? The people who guaranteed bank losses the could not possibly be covered?
Its not about what we can do, its about what we should do, and should not do. I don't like being this negative, but you gotta be a grown up about it.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/03/2013 15:33:34    1358490

Louth Gael
County: Louth
Why does anyone respond to bannerman he is obviously a PR man for rugby. The discussion should be about what is best for the GAA not for Rugby or the economy.

If somethings bad for the economy, then its generally bad for the GAA. Just ask the rural clubs who can't field teams due to emigration. That's why we all collectively have to take a step back and look objectively at something like this when it comes along. All that glitters is not gold.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/03/2013 15:36:31    1358492

Spot on athclaith.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 29/03/2013 15:39:24    1358494

29/03/2013 15:23:15
AthCliath
Truth is you just have a look every now and then on hoganstand to see if the word rugby is on any thread and then you are on every second comment about it,
Gaa people are discussing the pros and cons of this developement, your too biased to be in on the discussion.
Well when there is comments on rugby that are just there for the WUM and the wind up il jump in but no not always do I have every second comment on rugby
There is cons in that the costs in potentially developing stadiums would be a long term cost but they would be overset by the spending of visitors who would come here for the tournament both visitors who would spend weekends here for games as well as visitors who would spend several weeks here during the tournament

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 15:40:01    1358495

Why are people so obsessed with having a sports tournament here is clearly the country isnt really fit to host such a thing without massive investment , A huge amount of money will be wasted by the government etc doing up stadia that will not be used anywhere near enough to justify such expenditure wouldnt it better to spend zero money on anything and have a shared bid with Scotland and Wales, there would be no cost for either of the 3 countries but big benefits for all 3, if we go it alone we will end up costing ourselves too much money that does not need to be spent.Already the GAA have wasted loads of money on oversized stadia, the governemnt doesn't need to do likewise.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 29/03/2013 17:35:52    1358561

So in essence you are saying that the GAA is more important than sizable economic benefits for the whole.

ahsure no that is not what I'm saying. It is the job of the government particularly the department of finance to put the economy first, that is what they are elected to do. GAA delegates are elected to put the GAA first. We need to look out for what is best for our organisation only. I have heard the arguments for opening our grounds for the RWC and for the most part they are weak yet when stage managed by the media and the hierarchy of the GAA itself the motion passes with 93% with not one person speaking against it before the vote. We are great yes men and everybody is patting on the head but where will it leave us?

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 29/03/2013 18:06:52    1358577

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 4178

Yes i am entirely serious.
You are showing a lack of knowledge about rugby in Munster if you think Munster only play in Musgrave if they don't think they will get a crowd at games.
Musgrave is in Cork closer to the biggest population base Munster has.
Wouldn't take Millions at all to get Musgrave in shape. Look at the new stand put in place in Musgrave in the past few years and that cost nowhere near one million.
RDS is not owned by Leinster but there is plans for its redevelopment to modernise the stands and terrances.
Now im not having a laugh with the sportsground. Connacht are improving year on year in terms of support/finance etc and are looking to improve the sportsground and the stadium would be perfect for the small pool games that wouldn't get huge attendances

so because cork has a bigger population base you somehow assume more people would go to watch munster,now your really showing a lack of knowledge.
limerick is by far the hub for munster support,its the one county in ireland where rugby dominates,your analogy s ridiculous as that would also mean cork get more supporters then donegal in football becuae they have bigger population which is untrue again.
come on you know full well musgrave would be a waste of money to do up as it only holds meaningless second rate rabo matches at best.
plans what plans as you cannot build on a equestrian park for obvious reasons,they use wheel in stands come off it would you if you feel gaa grounds need to be upgraded well wheel in stands surely would not be good enough for the rugby supporters.
so you are building a new stadium then in connaught is what would happen if you where to use the sportsgrounds,if they have the money for this why is it not being done and why look to use a gaa grouns in the same area which you already said would not happen outside of dublin.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2013 20:44:32    1358664

29/03/2013 20:44:32
hill16no1man
so because cork has a bigger population base you somehow assume more people would go to watch munster,now your really showing a lack of knowledge.
limerick is by far the hub for munster support,its the one county in ireland where rugby dominates,your analogy s ridiculous as that would also mean cork get more supporters then donegal in football becuae they have bigger population which is untrue again.
come on you know full well musgrave would be a waste of money to do up as it only holds meaningless second rate rabo matches at best.
plans what plans as you cannot build on a equestrian park for obvious reasons,they use wheel in stands come off it would you if you feel gaa grounds need to be upgraded well wheel in stands surely would not be good enough for the rugby supporters.
so you are building a new stadium then in connaught is what would happen if you where to use the sportsgrounds,if they have the money for this why is it not being done and why look to use a gaa grouns in the same area which you already said would not happen outside of dublin.
No. I didnt say that. I made a reply to the rubbish you said about munster only playing games in musgrave if munster think they will not get a crowd in thomond.
Limerick is the hub for Munsters support but we can grow the game much more and increase support in cork and the southern half of the province.
Musgrave wouldn't be a waste of money to do up and you are being very rude and dismissive of Connacht fans amongst others as Connacht were one of the teams Munster played in Musgrave this season.
If the worst of the games were played in Cork then why was neither of Munsters home games against Italian sides played in Cork this season? Answer that Hill.
There is plans In place for the development of the RDS which will allow bigger stands that are retractable to allow the Horse show take place each august and retractable stands would still be better than some stadiums.
No new stadium in Connacht. Sportsground would be fine for small pool games and allow games be played in Galwey

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/03/2013 21:28:18    1358684

I'm in favour of Ireland hosting a Rugby World cup, and also in favour of the GAA allowing its stadiums to be used in such a bid.
However I'm still confused to how or who will fund the Stadium work needed, as most GAA, IRFU Stadiums will need substancialadditional work prior to such an event.

1. The Republic of Ireland as a nation is broke, meaning significant government funding is Impossible.
2. The IRFU does not have the funds needed to refurbish all the Stadiums required.
3. National Lottery support could not cover even 10% of it.

I'm Interested in were the required money is coming from, clearly the IRFU know funding is available to them if they are considering a bid. But who is pulling the strings????

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 29/03/2013 21:54:48    1358696

I'm also in favor of this but if the government gives the IRFU money they would want to give the GAA the exact same. If the GAA have their stadiums done up and make substantial money from the IRFU renting them for the WC then OK. Otherwise no.

Spot on AthCliath, Ormand is on a crusade here to promote rugby, he ruins so many threads and personally I think if he'd no input to a lot of threads. Way too biased.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 30/03/2013 08:10:39    1358703

It wasn't broke enough for the English Queen or that Obama lad,
and now more people will have to go hungry so that world cup can
be staged! Its another attempt to lobotomize our nation!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 30/03/2013 12:03:50    1358752