ormondbannerman
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Money made back by economy through tourism, increased numbers in the country, government make extra revenue through tax from all the spending by visitors.
GAA will make rent, stadiums will get funding for development.
Ireland is small enough to be like New Zealand and visitors can use mobile homes, etc and travel around the country.
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I don't think you read my post (although to be fair, I did waffle on a bit). Main question is, where does the money come from to prepare the country to host the WC(not what money can hypthetically made afterwards)? You say the GAA will get funding to upgrade stadia, from where? The taxpayer? After the WC, the GAA will be making money from the stadia, not whoever shelled out for the redevelopment. Is everything going to be put on tick, in the hope that the money will eventually made back over the long term (which is doubtful)?
We're not New Zealand, we're struggling to escape bankruptcy, with a crippling national debt. Where on earth does the initial funding required to set all this up come from?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/03/2013 15:15:27    1358017

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You think the GAA should host a rugby tournament? :/

well arent nearly all the stadiums going to be gaa stadiums?
why not go alone on the bid instead of letting the irfu take most of the money?

No I'd imagine they would use 6 rugby grounds and 4-6 GAA as necessary.

What other sports do you think the GAA should be organising events for?


6 rugby grounds please name six rugby grounds that would be up to scratch or have caacity to hold a big event which ormond kees telling us thurles would not be up to scratch to hold one of these games.landsdowne road and thomond park at present are the only two hat would be ale to use and if ravenhill is done up that would be three all the rest would be gaa grounds.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/03/2013 15:44:30    1358045

A lot of wheeling and dealing will have to be done by the IRB to gain the votes needd at international rugby board level to secure a world cup for Ireland. That is a fact and the IRB will also have to come up with a large sum of money to guraantee a world cup coming here.

A lot of talk is about the stadia that might be used. I fear that the GAA would have to spend a serious amount of money to upgrade the stadia for such an event. Would the expenditure ever be recouped? In other words would the money spent ever be recoverable from ticket sales etc?

I fear that the GAA might not gain the financial reward that would make it worth it for co - hosting a tournament that is in a sport that it is competiton with!

The debate has started but the GAA needs to be very careful in its deliberations with regards to the hiring of its stadia and the financial rewards need to be substantial to make it worth it.

Sporting ecumenism is one thing - hard economics is another thing. I am on the side of making enough money.

The GAA hierarchy seem to be behind the venture and the vorte at congress was surprisingly one sided.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1872 - 28/03/2013 16:05:12    1358064

Aviva, RDS, Musgrave , Thomond, Ravenhill and Sportsgrounds - they have plenty of time to get them all up to scratch.

Are there any other sports that you think the GAA should organise tournaments for?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 28/03/2013 16:35:56    1358090

28/03/2013 15:15:27
Marlon_JD
I don't think you read my post (although to be fair, I did waffle on a bit). Main question is, where does the money come from to prepare the country to host the WC(not what money can hypthetically made afterwards)? You say the GAA will get funding to upgrade stadia, from where? The taxpayer? After the WC, the GAA will be making money from the stadia, not whoever shelled out for the redevelopment. Is everything going to be put on tick, in the hope that the money will eventually made back over the long term (which is doubtful)?
We're not New Zealand, we're struggling to escape bankruptcy, with a crippling national debt. Where on earth does the initial funding required to set all this up come from?
I did read your post.
Money comes from government coffers, IRFU, other stakeholders in Irish Rugby/Sport in general.
GAA could def get money from government, private sector.
No the return on money would not be doubtful. Long term use of stadiums full for championship games would pay stadiums off, rent for concerts etc would also help pay off.
We are not New Zealand. We are close to the big rugby nations in terms of finance and population. we are in the best location in terms of tv rights. we would make the money back

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/03/2013 16:46:37    1358099

28/03/2013 15:44:30
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6 rugby grounds please name six rugby grounds that would be up to scratch or have caacity to hold a big event which ormond kees telling us thurles would not be up to scratch to hold one of these games.landsdowne road and thomond park at present are the only two hat would be ale to use and if ravenhill is done up that would be three all the rest would be gaa grounds
Lansdowne Road and Thomond in their current state are ready. RDS, Ravenhill, Musgrave, Sportsground are getting reveloped and funding is secured for each. Donnybrook could be used and redeveloped which there was plans for and may be done up in time.
Thurles is not in line to be used because of issues like hotels in/near thurles.
All rugby grounds I mention are in citys and much more suitable

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/03/2013 16:52:20    1358101

28/03/2013 16:35:56
bad.monkey
Aviva, RDS, Musgrave , Thomond, Ravenhill and Sportsgrounds - they have plenty of time to get them all up to scratch.

Are there any other sports that you think the GAA should organise tournaments for?
Aviva and Thomond are ready. Plans in place for others to be redeveloped but other stadiums are needed as 10+ stadiums are needed.
Nobody has said the GAA would be organising anything. The GAA would be helping the IRFU and IRB host the tournament in Ireland but the GAA wouldn't be organising any part of the tournament

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/03/2013 16:57:45    1358104

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Money comes from government coffers, IRFU, other stakeholders in Irish Rugby/Sport in general.
GAA could def get money from government, private sector.

Government coffers, are you serious? The coffers are empty, we're living off unsustainable borrowing. If anything is taken into those coffers (from the hapless taxpayer), its spoken for, probably for the next 25-30 years. You can't ignore whats going on in this country.

No the return on money would not be doubtful. Long term use of stadiums full for championship games would pay stadiums off, rent for concerts etc would also help pay off.

Ok, you're missing a basic point here. The GAA are going to get money to redevelop the stadiums right? It won't be the GAA's money, thats why its a good deal for the GAA, no? But it will then be the GAA who makes money from these stadiums from long term use after the WC, the people who hand over the money in the first place will never get it back (these aren't municipal stadia). So if that money's borrowed in the first place, where does the money come from to pay it back?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/03/2013 17:50:50    1358133

Incorrect Ormand, hill16 wants the GAA to bid to host the tournament. He asked me to name the 6 stadia that rugby would use. Maybe wind it in...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 28/03/2013 17:52:45    1358135

28/03/2013 17:50:50
Marlon_JD
Government coffers, are you serious? The coffers are empty, we're living off unsustainable borrowing. If anything is taken into those coffers (from the hapless taxpayer), its spoken for, probably for the next 25-30 years. You can't ignore whats going on in this country.
Ok, you're missing a basic point here. The GAA are going to get money to redevelop the stadiums right? It won't be the GAA's money, thats why its a good deal for the GAA, no? But it will then be the GAA who makes money from these stadiums from long term use after the WC, the people who hand over the money in the first place will never get it back (these aren't municipal stadia). So if that money's borrowed in the first place, where does the money come from to pay it back?
Yes I am serious. The coffers are not empty. We are not Greece.
Im not ignoring anything
Im not missing any basic points.


28/03/2013 17:52:45
bad.monkey
Incorrect Ormand, hill16 wants the GAA to bid to host the tournament. He asked me to name the 6 stadia that rugby would use. Maybe wind it in...
bad.mankey Well the GAA will never be able to host the tournament on their own as they wouldnt be able to tender a bid to IRB without the IRFU

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/03/2013 18:07:02    1358149

I never suggested the GAA could or should tender a bid Ormand, hill16man did.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 28/03/2013 18:54:15    1358173

are you serious lads they are going to use musgrave park,rds and sportsgrounds?
musgarve park would never be used munster already have a stadium inthomond park thats big enough,they only play in musgrave when they know they wont get a crowd at it and its in an awful state it would cost millions to get the capacity anywhere near right.
rds is not a rugby ground sure they even have to wheel in the stands behind the goals as it is they wouldnt be allowed put permanent stands in their place as its first and foremost and equestrian park.
now your really having a laugh with the sportsgrounds come on its basically a club gaa ground at best,you might aswell be building anew stadium from scratch as talking about using that place.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/03/2013 19:11:58    1358187

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Yes I am serious. The coffers are not empty. We are not Greece.

Wow, that's a shocking statement. You think we're that much better than Greece? Have you not paid any attention to whats been happening over the last 5 years, do you have any sense of how tenuous our economic situation is? Have you heard any of the following terms recently: bank guarantee, banking collapse, bailout, recession, unsustainable debt, negative equity, unemployment, sale of state assets, emigration, austerity, stealth taxes, cuts, cuts, cuts..... I don't want to start name-calling or lecturing, but if you think we can afford ANYTHING, you're delusional or extremely sheltered. As soon as we can afford anything, its carers allowances we need first, not stadia.

Im not ignoring anything
Im not missing any basic points.

Well, you're answers to my previous question seemed to indicate you are.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/03/2013 20:38:18    1358239

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1358017 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Money made back by economy through tourism, increased numbers in the country, government make extra revenue through tax from all the spending by visitors.
GAA will make rent, stadiums will get funding for development.
Ireland is small enough to be like New Zealand and visitors can use mobile homes, etc and travel around the country.
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I don't think you read my post (although to be fair, I did waffle on a bit). Main question is, where does the money come from to prepare the country to host the WC(not what money can hypthetically made afterwards)? You say the GAA will get funding to upgrade stadia, from where? The taxpayer?

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Good point Marlon. If government funds from tax revenue will be used to host the RWC, then the country should be informed where it will come from and how much will come from the budget. Citizens may prefer for those funds to be used for education, healthcare, etc.

mikeyjoe (USA) - Posts: 415 - 29/03/2013 12:05:57    1358365

What is going on, at same time the Limerick delegates were complaining that some schools in Limerick won't allow Gaelic games to be played they vote 100% in favour of allowing the grounds be used for the RWC. Are we for real, it's time we got a grip and had a serious debate about what this will do for and against the GAA. There is something very suspicious going on when you consider rule 42 only passed because they promised it was only Croke Park and only while the Aviva was being built and they stressed this would not lead to other grounds being used yet now a vote to open other stadia passes with 93%. It just doesn't make sense. Why was it so important in 2005 that only Croke Park is used and only for a limited amount of time but now it doesn't matter.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 29/03/2013 12:24:08    1358379

ormondbannerman
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Yes I am serious. The coffers are not empty. We are not Greece.


That's right, we're not Greece, Greece is a far wealthier country than Ireland. FACT.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 29/03/2013 12:26:41    1358380

12 Stadia..
Croke Park (Dublin)
Aviva Stadium (Dublin)
Thomond Park (Limerick)
Gaelic Grounds (Limerick)
Páirc Ui Chaoimh (Cork)
Fitzgerald Stadium (Killarney)
Pearse Stadium (Galway)
Semple Stadium (Thurles)
McHale Park (Castlebar)
Ravenhill (Belfast)
Casement Park (Belfast)
And a final GAA stadium from up North or maybe the RDS in Dublin.

I think this is very possible and hopefully all the GAA folk can leave their differences to one side and "back to bid"

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1666 - 29/03/2013 12:54:22    1358394

*"back the bid"

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1666 - 29/03/2013 12:57:14    1358397

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Again if its such a big game here they should have there own. Also again you Rugby people are very fast to put down the GAA, plenty of examples in pro Rugby anti GAA newspapers again this week. Goes without saying how it would go if it was the othere way around. Also one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world? You actually cant believe that? Over half the countries in the world dont play of even know what Rugby is.
Irish rugby does have its own stadiums and is using them and is asking for the use of additional stadiums.
No rugby people are not fast to put down the GAA. Go through all irish sporting forums and soccer/gaa forums are much harsher on rugby than rugby forums are on gaa. Look at boards/munster forum/leinster forum/any soccer forum.
well Over a hundred countries play rugby across the world. Look at International rugby board website for info on that

Do you actually answer any questions put to you? Ill ask again if Rugby is such a big game why do they have to look for other stadiums? Boards.ie cant be used as an example of anything is its the most bias and one sided forum out there. The GAA have worked to have the likes of Croke Park so why should they let the Johnny come lately Rugby lads come and use what they've built. You seem to think the IRFU have some kind or right to be let use GAA grounds

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 29/03/2013 12:59:47    1358400

Being from Limerick I can see why we voted 100% the main thing in this county is that young people play sport. Any sport. Competition for young players has always being goin on and what the GAA should do is keep making the sports attractive to young people. burn out of young players is a bigger issue.

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 29/03/2013 13:02:54    1358402