Duff Obviously I have hit a nerve, but I will still try to answer your 'concerns' without resolving to 'slabbering' as you so slovenly put it! First, this is an amateur sport - there is nothing at all in the current laws regarding 'capping' the number of players that a club can have 'transferred'. With regards to the use of the word 'transferred', remember these individuals have not actively went to their old club and asked for a transfer; they find themselves in Belfast looking to play Gaelic games and have chosen Bredagh in which to do so (this says more about the committee and way the club is run and also says a lot about he clubs they could have went to but didn't..namely, Carryduff, St Galls, etc as you named yourself! ) Secondly, and as far as I am aware, the Bredagh hurling team have opted to enter a team in the JHC and the IHC simply because they have the numbers to do so and to give as many players as many competitive games as possible. I think this should be commended not criticised! Third, you mention the underage structure and giving the girls a chance to progress... surely the fact that there are 2 teams allows for this - think about it! Finally, with regards to the comment about all players want to go to the same club, perhaps this is because of point 1 (and may also because people like you/your club, have little or nothing to offer but unjust criticism of other clubs who have progressed way above your standard!!!) THE MOLE2

THEMOLE2 (Down) - Posts: 1615 - 03/06/2009 15:59:19    300889

legend not sure why carryduff are excepted from that group. Carryduff has to work just as hard as everyone else to field a team, especially these mid-week matches in the middle of the exam season. We have a large juvenile membership but not a huge number of over 18s but every girl playing from carryduff is from carryduff.

theblackspot (Down) - Posts: 17 - 03/06/2009 19:55:31    301095

First, this is an amateur sport - there is nothing at all in the current laws regarding 'capping' the number of players that a club can have 'transferred'. With regards to the use of the word 'transferred', remember these individuals have not actively went to their old club and asked for a transfer; they find themselves in Belfast looking to play Gaelic games and have chosen Bredagh in which to do so (this says more about the committee and way the club is run and also says a lot about he clubs they could have went to but didn't..namely, Carryduff, St Galls, etc as you named yourself! ) FIRSTLY - YOU DO HAVE TO GO TO YOUR OLD CLUB AND ASK FOR A TRANSFER AS THEY HAVE TO SIGN THE FORM - SECONDLY YOU CAN PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT JOIN A CLUB BUT OUR COUNTY BOARD IS JUST TOO SLACK TO DO THIS AND THIRDLY - THIS SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HOW THE CLUB IS RUN AND COMMITTEES. IT JUST SAYS THAT BREDAGH IS THE EASY OPTION AND THE SLACK DOWN COUNTY BOARD WILL NEVER QUESTION WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AND LET PLAYERS TRANSFER AS THEY WISH. Secondly, and as far as I am aware, the Bredagh hurling team have opted to enter a team in the JHC and the IHC simply because they have the numbers to do so and to give as many players as many competitive games as possible. I think this should be commended not criticised! WELL BULLY FOR THEM ENTERING TWO HURLING TEAMS - MAYBE IF THEY WOULD STOP TRANSFERRING PLAYERS FROM FAR AND WIDE - DOWN HURLING WOULD BE IN A MUCH BETTER STATE THAN IT IS AT PRESENT. WE NEED TO BE COACHING DOWN PLAYERS NOT EVERYONE ELSES. Third, you mention the underage structure and giving the girls a chance to progress... surely the fact that there are 2 teams allows for this - think about it! AH BUT DOES IT REALLY ALLOW FOR IT. YOU THINK ABOUT THIS - YOU HAVE PLAYED ALL YOUR UNDERAGE LIFE FOR BREDAGH LADIES AND WON LEAGUES AND CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE (A) CATEGORY AND YOU ARE A STRONG PART OF THAT PANEL/TEAM AND WHEN YOU REACH THAT GLORIOUS AGE OF 16/17 AND ARE READY TO GO FOR YOUR SENIOR TEAM - YOU ARE TOLD - OH IM SORRY - GO AND PLAY FOR OUR SECOND STRING OUTFIT THERE PLEASE AS WE HAVENT ROOM FOR YOU ON THE FIRST TEAM BECAUSE WE ARE ACCOMMODATING EVERY OTHER COUNTIES PLAYERS AT PRESENT. TALK ABOUT A KICK IN THE TEETH FOR A YOUNG GIRL.. ANOTHER CAREER OVER. Finally, with regards to the comment about all players want to go to the same club, perhaps this is because of point 1 (and may also because people like you/your club, have little or nothing to offer but unjust criticism of other clubs who have progressed way above your standard!!!) PROGRESSED WAY ABOVE OUR STANDARD - WELL AT LEAST WHEN MY CLUB WIN SOMETHING WHICH THEY DO ON A REGULAR BASIS - I CAN LOOK OUT AT THE PLAYERS ON THE PITCH WITH PRIDE AND SAY THEY ARE ALL DOWN GIRLS PLAYING FOR A DOWN CLUB - ANYONE CAN TRANSFER IN THE BEST PLAYERS FROM ULSTER AND WIN THINGS... YOU PUT OUT GENUINE BREDAGH GIRLS (THAT IS - IF YOU CAN FIELD A TEAM) AND ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WOULD GIVE THEM A HIDING. SEND YOUR ILLEGALS PACKING BECAUSE WE DONT WANT THEM IN OUR COUNTY.........

duff (Down) - Posts: 145 - 04/06/2009 09:28:49    301467

I would like someone from the Bredagh Club (involved in the ladies set up) to reply to the rantings of ''Duff''. It is clear she/he has issues with the Bredagh set up. It is also clear he/she knows very little about the fact that ANY player that has signed for and plays for a Down club IS permitted to play for any of the Down County teams - so how can this be detrimental to our county set up - if anything, it improves the talent pool !!!! Before you post again, at least try to get the facts correct and understand what you are trying to say! Also, yes, you do have to get the County Board to sign a transferdon't know what your point is here! Bredagh haven't broken any rules!! Perhaps you are jealous, again, of the fact that these players have not gone further up the Ormeau road and made themselves available to your club. With regrds to your comments about 'illegals', this again shows a severe lack of education and indeed etiquette. These players are not illegal and have done nothing wrong, THEMOLE2

THEMOLE2 (Down) - Posts: 1615 - 04/06/2009 10:23:16    301501

Im a Bredagh hurler but i regulary attend the ladies games and it doesnt matter who they were to transfer in if they fielded an all bredagh team they would still beat carryduff as when it comes to ladies football carryduff are still a long way behind bredagh.

as for your comment on bredagh transfering players in for hurly we have 10 home grown players on the starting senior team not to mention the players we have on the bench. this is clearly sour grapes on the carryduff part but then you come to expect that from a club who have looked down there nose at bredagh for years.

weepats5 (Down) - Posts: 295 - 04/06/2009 10:58:34    301531

It is clear she/he has issues with the Bredagh set up. It is also clear he/she knows very little about the fact that ANY player that has signed for and plays for a Down club IS permitted to play for any of the Down County teams - so how can this be detrimental to our county set up - if anything, it improves the talent pool !!!! OH MY GOD ARE YOU SERIOUS. IN ORDER TO PLAY FOR ANOTHER CLUB - YOU NEED AN INTERCLUB TRANSFER - IN ORDER TO PLAY FOR ANOTHER COUNTY - YOU NEED AN INTERCOUNTY TRANSFER - ITS NOT JUST AS SIMPLE AS PLAYING FOR A CLUB AND DECLARING FOR THAT COUNTY. Before you post again, at least try to get the facts correct and understand what you are trying to say! Also, yes, you do have to get the County Board to sign a transferdon't know what your point is here! Bredagh haven't broken any rules!! Perhaps you are jealous, again, of the fact that these players have not gone further up the Ormeau road and made themselves available to your club. IF YOU ACTUALLY READ MY COMMENT - YOU WOULD SEE I SAID YOU NEED YOUR CLUB TO SIGN ANY TRANSFER FORM NOT YOUR COUNTY BOARD. AND YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT BREDAGH HAVENT BROKEN ANY RULES - BECAUSE THE COUNTY BOARD ARE WEAK AND ALLOW EVERYONE IN SUNDRY TO TRANSFER TO THEM - AND PLEASE REMIND ME AGAIN WHY IM JEALOUS. MY CLUB PLAY UNDERAGE FOOTBALL IN THIS COUNTY AND WIN WITH DOWN GIRLS AND GUESS WHAT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS AT SENIOR LEVEL WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THESE SAME DOWN GIRLS PLAYING FOOTBALL - WE DO NOT CRAVE THE SUCCESS THAT BREDAGH DO - WE WILL GET THERE AND WILL DO IT OUR WAY WITH OUR PLAYERS. FOR ALL THE PLAYERS BREDAGH HAVE HAD DOWN THE YEARS - THEY HAVENT MUCH TO SHOW FOR IT - SO MAYBE THEIR PLOY JUST DONT WORK THAT WELL. With regrds to your comments about 'illegals', this again shows a severe lack of education and indeed etiquette. These players are not illegal and have done nothing wrong, AND YES THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL - BUT THEY ARE EVEN LESS ILLEGAL IN THEIR HOME COUNTIES - GO HOME GIRLS - DOWN LADIES FOOTBALL DOESNT NEED YOU.

duff (Down) - Posts: 145 - 04/06/2009 11:44:17    301577

Duff get over it! The first year in a long time that Bredagh are favourites for the championship and your on here giving out. I have no connection with either of your clubs but as a neutral I think you should concentrate on your club and what they do without crying about what happens in other clubs. Everyone is entitled to play football and if these girls live in Belfast this year and need a club them they shud be free to play for whatever club they want. If they win something them so be it. They are not winning year in year out so let it go. If other clubs can beat them with wotever players they have in previous years then I dont see why it cant happen in the future so concentrate on improving your own players to get to that level and quit crying like a wee baby on here.

gaaforall (Down) - Posts: 130 - 04/06/2009 12:08:23    301609

gaaforall - learn how to speak before you come on here giving out to me please.. And why should i let it go - im only saying what every other down player outside Bredagh is thinking... Its a disgrace and needs to stop...

duff (Down) - Posts: 145 - 04/06/2009 15:01:25    301768

Did "Clonduff" not win a few senior championships with a few nice wee handy transfers to bulk up what was a very limited and ordinary panel before that ??? Nothing was mentioned about that!

sam12345 (Down) - Posts: 24 - 04/06/2009 15:16:10    301786

Sam I think 'Duff' is actually a carryduff member from reading earlier posts but what u say is true, the Downeys transferred into Clonduff and nothing was said! At the end of the day its the state of ladies football at the minute! There isnt enough clubs and girls who live in towns who dont have a ladies team go and play for the closest one and it ends up being luck of the draw for who recieves these players! Bredagh do seem to have drafted in a alot of top players from different counties which means they are marketing the club correctly because lets face it, alot of people head to the city for work so if you market your club correctly, you will reap the rewards! Bredagh are walking the league and will likely walk the championship. Clonduff are probably the only team that can stop them although Bredagh have easily beat clonduff from what i hear twice maybe three times already this year so a foregone conclusion seems inevitable... apparently clonduff have brought in a new trainer recently to try and sort things for them but i believe its too big a mountain to climb based on what im reading about the hilltown team and from what Ive heard from one of their players, havent personally watched them this season so cant pass personal remarks. Saval will be loving that there is no hype about their chances this year... dark horses for me, watch this space!

TheKingdomgael (Down) - Posts: 167 - 04/06/2009 15:58:51    301847

Personally, I don't have any problem with girls whose original team have folded transfering to the team of their choice.
Point in case, the Downey's & other Bosco Girls. Why shouldn't they have transferred to Clonduff? They had to go somewhere...A lot of them were probably studying/working in Belfast at the time and could quite easily have opted to move to any of the afore mentioned teams Bredagh/Carryduff/St Galls/St Bridgids.
My own team (and others) benefited this year with a few transfers from another local team that folded, and thank god
we did, because, our numbers the year before made the future of Ladies Football in our club look pretty bleak.
In terms of Bredagh.... I don't think they deserve abuse, they are going out there and recruiting all the talent
that the University and other 'relocated' Players based in Belfast have to offer. They are entitled to do that under current rules.
However, I strongly feel there should be a limit on the number of INTER-county transfers allowed each season/year.

leg_end (Down) - Posts: 62 - 04/06/2009 16:56:06    301930

SAM12345 Yes Clonduff did transfer players in from another team but 2 of these girls were originally from Clonduff and when there own team folded they choose to go back to there home town club, they could have easily choose Bryansford amonst others as they were all looking them. To say Clonduff had no success before these players came is untrue as well as when these girls came Clonduff had just completed the intermediate League and Championship double having won the Junior double 2 years previously, not bad for an ordinary panel of girls who had just started playing 1 year before they won the Junior titles.

Bredagh are transferring players and like Leitrim in the Camogie they are allowed to do this but in the long run it isnt good for the club and they will get there just rewards.

RJ (Down) - Posts: 19 - 04/06/2009 17:15:19    301951

obviously this is a touchy subject for many, but at the end of the day....players are transfered and thats that other teams just have to try and compete. Does anyone know if any of these 'university players' that are transferred into Bredagh plan to stay in belfast all summer to play for them?? or is the team going to fizzle come july?? I agree with Kingdomgael though...bredagh will probly walk through the champship this year with clonduff going downhill, though kingdomgael mentioned they have brought in a new trainer?? isnt this the man from downpatrick thats took over all season?

timesticking (Down) - Posts: 18 - 04/06/2009 23:17:28    302264

Ladies will play Monaghan in the championship.. Monaghan racked up a big score against Donegal yesterday in the preliminary round game. Any thoughts on what the team should be and how you think the ladies will do???

singer (Down) - Posts: 330 - 08/06/2009 13:54:00    304799

I think the game against Monaghan will be the toughest they've had this season. Monaghan are a class act with a wealth of experience, but i'm backing our girls to do it. They look fit and sharp, and more importantly the confidence and belief in themselves is there after the League wins. Think the team should be the starting line up that was against Tipp. If it's not broke, don't fix it........
Mind you, what happens at club level if the County does progress?? Will matches once again be postponed, or will clubs have to play without county players?

leg_end (Down) - Posts: 62 - 08/06/2009 14:38:32    304865

Congratulations to Michaela Downey, Elaine Pyres and Orla Fegan for being named on the Divison 2 panel. This is a great boost for Down Ladies Football and it should also boost the team for the Championship.

I agree, the team should be the same against tipp!

sun (Down) - Posts: 19 - 08/06/2009 16:46:41    305062

Sure the team cant be the same as the league final team. Emma Mulhern has a broken hand and Michaela Downey has broken fingers from a club camogie game.. Plus i hear they played Galway at the weekend there and picked up a serious amount of injuries - why bother playing these games in the run up to such an important game??? If these two men can get a result (and i mean a win) against Monaghan - then i will take back all i have said about them in the past and will back them staying next season which i hear is imminent anyhow....

singer (Down) - Posts: 330 - 10/06/2009 09:02:17    306971

Senior Ladies Championship Semi Final Draw:

Bredagh v Carryduff
Saval v Clonduff

Big 2 avoided each other.... Bredagh clear favourites for the championship after the mauling they gave clonduff. Can the hilltown girls step it up enough to beat saval and overcome Bredagh?? Are Saval the 'Dark Horse'? or will Bredagh cruise through without a challenge from the counties best?

any views??

timesticking (Down) - Posts: 18 - 11/06/2009 23:25:22    308974

It was my understanding that the ladies championship draws had been set at the beginning of the season, before any teams were drawn against one another.

Winners of Q/F 1 play winners of Q/F 2 and winners of Q/F 3 play winners of Q/f 4
Winner of Q/F 1 was Bredagh
Winner of Q/F 2 was Clonduff
Winner of Q/f 3 was Carryduff
Winner of Q/F 4 was Saval.

Now this has changed so the "big two" avoid each other until a potential clash in the final.
Bit dubious I think here!!!!!!!!

willtowin (Down) - Posts: 11 - 12/06/2009 12:56:27    309364

very true...as shown on www.downgaa.net thats the way the draw should have been! this was not an open draw and it would be interesting to find out how the county board would explain the change!

southside (Down) - Posts: 11 - 12/06/2009 14:11:23    309444