mayotyroneman
County: Tyrone
Posts: 991

1335385 i see mr kiernan has attracted the indignation of the gaa community and not least on this post...but he may just have a point...a study due to be published this week carried out in UCD has found that after studying 47 elite sports people across a range of sports, GAA players are the ones that areloading up in calories way beyond what they should be...what's worse is that they are the worst culprits at recording this in their food diaries...they were found to be loading upon sugary snacks between meals,and not sticking to their dietary programmes...maybe there is an element of truth in mr kiernan's comments after all

There is more to some sports than physical fiitness but Jerry Kiernan and some others seem to have forgotten that.People seem to forget that skill plays a massive part ion football and hurling and I woudl rather have a gifted footballer who could only jog on my team than a team of 15 athletes who could do any thing with a ball.Skill is just as wotrty of recoginition as being a good athlete is.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 18/02/2013 08:14:21    1335402

mayotyroneman
County: Tyrone
Posts: 991

1335385
i see mr kiernan has attracted the indignation of the gaa community and not least on this post...but he may just have a point...a study due to be published this week carried out in UCD has found that after studying 47 elite sports people across a range of sports, GAA players are the ones that are loading up in calories way beyond what they should be...what's worse is that they are the worst culprits at recording this in their food diaries...they were found to be loading upon sugary snacks between meals,and not sticking to their dietary programmes...maybe there is an element of truth in mr kiernan's comments after all


you and the study obviously dont know how the body works do you?
carbohydrates is what a person involved in any levels of fitness needs its the main source of energy for the body.
and you seem to believe whats on food packets of your daily calorie allowance which is rubbish,everybody on this earth has differant daily calorie allowances depending on what your lifestyle is,for example if you work in an office job and dont do any exercise compared to somebody who has a day job that invlolves hard labour and does physical exercise in the evenings the differance in their calorie allowances is massive.also depending when a study is taken athletes can be at differant stages in a season,you could be trying to gain weight versus another athlete trying to maintain their body weight.
also as mr kiernan should well know long distance atheltes particularly marathon runners will engage in carb loading the week of a race which involves the first 3 days eating minimal carbs and the next 3 days eating as much carbs as possible so where you to record their diet on this week you would have massive imbalance.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/02/2013 09:42:17    1335417

I think he is referring to the levels of fitness maintained when comparing gaa players and athletics and he is correct in this comparison. There is more fitness preperation involved in athletics, so if the sports people are getting grants to keep fit, then he has a point. However, I dont think they are getting grants just to keep fit, they are getting them to play football, of which fitness is one part. The reality is, if you can have a guy like colin corkery competing at the top level, then clearly there is more to football than just fitness.
Then you have to consider the popularity of the respective disciplines, what do the people want their money spent on? It is GAA over athletics for me, regardless of which you have to be more fit or. I mean, gymnastics may require huge amounts of fitness also, that doesnt mean I want to watch it more than the darts!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/02/2013 11:12:03    1335470

take running its not realy a sport you dont have to be into sport to keep fit and most people do long distance running as a way of keeping fit so if your comparing a marathon runner and a gaa player your going to have differant kinds of fitness needed for both for one a marathon runner will have better stamina and a gaa player will have better physical fitness and better speed over shorter distances,you cannot compare the fitness of two differant types of training methods

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/02/2013 15:46:08    1335638

Daley Thompson
Brendan Foster Ben Johnson John Treacy
Eamonn Coghlan Victor Costello Carl Lewis
Micheal Johnson Jerry Kiernan(capt)
Mo Farah El Garouge Seb Coe
Linford Christie Alberto Juanterena Usain Bolt

Some pace in the side. Dope testing could be an issue.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4118 - 18/02/2013 16:30:47    1335662

haha the bulk of that team would be down with cramp by half time haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/02/2013 19:40:22    1335770

Irish indoor national Athletics finals were on at the weekend folks which is basically the athletics equivilent of the all Ireland finals.Was there 500 people there?

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 18/02/2013 19:49:37    1335774

and did that 500 paya decent entry fee.

Hope Athlone IT were paid a proper rent for their facilities

Now if they had 5,000 there at say €50 a head they might make some money and not have to be complaining about GAA having all the resources !!!

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 18/02/2013 20:44:30    1335816

it doesnt matter how many were at it,the arena probably only holds that much.what atheltics need to focus on is actualy having athletes good enough to compete against the best,in one race the girl lapped all her opponents in a national final and i dont think it was even her normal distance to run at.
the gap between the chosen few who represent ireland the other participants is what is glaring in irish athletics and owl jerry and co should be focusing on that first and foremost.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2013 10:18:57    1335890

I can understand where Kiernan is coming from ,there is a lot of frustration within other sports at the lack of funding being made available to them even though they are working extremely hard to promote their sport ,in 2011 the GAA got 47% of all funding given to sport and it is not even the largest participation sport .
As for GAA living in a cloistered world you just have to look some of the post on here to realize that some people do not even know other sports exist , I fully agree with him on the belief within GAA circles that they train hard compared to other sports they do not not train any harder than any other sports person at a high level in Ireland and compared to most athletes competing at a decent level eg.indoor championships at the weekend , GAA players would not be as fit nor would they be as dedicated as those athletes .
Any players who get a grant to play GAA are no longer amateurs in the true essence of the word once you get money no matter how small you are no longer an amateur .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 19/02/2013 10:25:53    1335894

I bet he would'nt come down to Wicklow or Carlow and say that...............

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2928 - 19/02/2013 12:16:05    1335969

He's not eth only one having a whinge.....

http://balls.ie/gaa/interesting-comments-from-irish-runner-martin-chamney-on-the-gaa-and-athletics-funding/

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 19/02/2013 12:56:52    1336006

True hill16man,
I was looking at the highlights lastnight and in the womens 60m hurdles one or 2 of the girls were only getting to the last hurdle when the winner was passing the winning line and derval o rourke wasnt even there.As for athletes complaining about grants to GAA players,for God sake they are only getting a few hundred euro!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 19/02/2013 13:39:59    1336057

juniorsub

exactly the few hundred grant a year wouldnt cover the time off work they take even never mind the fuel allowances

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2013 14:04:54    1336080

where as alot of people at the olympics like katie taylor get massive grants and dont have to work

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2013 14:05:26    1336081

The GAA is a very weathy organization let them pay the money to the players

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 19/02/2013 14:20:19    1336096

Rosineri1
County: UK
Posts: 648

1336006
He's not eth only one having a whinge.....

http://balls.ie/gaa/interesting-comments-from-irish-runner-martin-chamney-on-the-gaa-and-athletics-funding/
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Chamneys absolutely right, the administration of Athletics in Ireland is a joke, the same can be said for cycling, swimming, FAI, and any number of sports. However he, like Kiernan, are turning their guns on the wrong people here, the GAA are not the villains of the peace, it is a state driven system that has for decades neglected grassroots sport on this island, and in many ways the GAA has been the only outlet for young people to participate in sport in the rural towns and villages. Drive through France or the low countries and there is hardly a small town that doesn't have its own running track, 25/50M swimming pool and other municipal facilities, whereas in Ireland its been left to the GAA for years to pick up the slack, mostly through a community effort rather than central funding. This country is crying out for a root and branch review of how sport on this island is administered and funded, picking holes in another sport is not going to help their cause.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 19/02/2013 14:21:26    1336098

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 227

1336096
The GAA is a very weathy organization let them pay the money to the players

that would go against the whole point of it remaining amature and a sport not a buisness or job like the so called professional sports.
the FAI is a very wealthy organization but they dont have a stadium to show for it even

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2013 14:23:04    1336102

brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 6572

Rosineri1
County: UK
Posts: 648

He's not eth only one having a whinge.....

http://balls.ie/gaa/interesting-comments-from-irish-runner-martin-chamney-on-the-gaa-and-athletics-funding/
__________________
Chamneys absolutely right, the administration of Athletics in Ireland is a joke, the same can be said for cycling, swimming, FAI, and any number of sports. However he, like Kiernan, are turning their guns on the wrong people here, the GAA are not the villains of the peace, it is a state driven system that has for decades neglected grassroots sport on this island, and in many ways the GAA has been the only outlet for young people to participate in sport in the rural towns and villages. Drive through France or the low countries and there is hardly a small town that doesn't have its own running track, 25/50M swimming pool and other municipal facilities, whereas in Ireland its been left to the GAA for years to pick up the slack, mostly through a community effort rather than central funding. This country is crying out for a root and branch review of how sport on this island is administered and funded, picking holes in another sport is not going to help their cause.


Great post brend, spot on with that.

Following the French or Scadinavian model for public sporting facilities would be of huge benefit to a small country like Ireland, and all codes and organisations would surely benefit from it.

The big problem is the divide in Irish sport though, every club and every sport wants to have their own separate / individual facilities.

Look at countries like France where the same pitches are used by football and rugby teams, have athletics tracks around them, and for the most part also have things like tennis courts and sports halls in the same complex.

In Norway it's similar again, this time though a lot of the facilities would form part of the local schools sporting facilities, and would be used for different sports as the seasons change, pitches in urban areas being used for skiing practice for kids in Winter etc.

There's the knock on benefit of kids being able to take part in a variety of different sports, thus helping with talent id and development in the minority sports.

Unfortunately the divide in Irish sport, and in the Irish sporting psyche is probably too great for us to go down such a road. People will just want to look after themselves.

As you said, Chamney and Kiernan raise valid points, the GAA is the easy target though, aim their anger at the Minister for Sport and the sports council, and they might get have a bit more luck.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 19/02/2013 14:35:13    1336110

It was the GAA who are unwilling to share facilities and because of their political power base they have always been able to get get the goverment funding which is very disproportionate to their participations rates . Once GAA players take any money they no longer are amateurs ,

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 19/02/2013 14:48:37    1336119