Jesus Master, it is going to be a long year if you keep this up.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 11/02/2013 20:26:22    1332384

Obvious peno.
Better team won on the day
Brave effort from Mayo to come back
But 99/100 refs would have given that peno

Better team won in February. Just like the better team won in September
Certain Mayo lads always cling onto excuses.

It was a blatant peno. Mayo fell asleep and were punished when they thought the game was won
The Tyrone man got into the correct position from a great flick down in front of his marker and once that happened he was fouled.

And despite Mayo's most cynical efforts to put O'Neill off
Running in front of him and the ball, stretching hamstrings in front of the ball on the spot
In bloody stoppage time. He picked an interesting spot for that "stretch" didnt he...?????

O'Neill still just slotted it. He's a class act.

Well done to Tyrone on a deserved victory. That's some fab looking stadium you have in Mayo. Looks great and expensive.
Almost worth getting in huge debt over it.

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 480 - 11/02/2013 21:02:46    1332408

Hi guys,

Later than planned but analysis of Mayo and Tyrone now up http://action81.com/blog/?p=6690

Emmet

emmetryan (Dublin) - Posts: 154 - 11/02/2013 21:59:13    1332436

MuckrossHead
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1332384 Jesus Master, it is going to be a long year if you keep this up.

Lads, if you would just ignore him he'd soon stop. Just debate/discuss the matter with people who are going to be open and honest about it. For the record I thought it was also a penalty. The back made the foul.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 12/02/2013 08:50:29    1332442

If in doubt didn't put a cent on you going down, and only lost fiver first week, but got it back this with dub, kildare, meath, cavan, Westmeath accum let's just say i didn't go to work yesterday,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/02/2013 09:31:18    1332465

No wonder the country is in ruins.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1046 - 12/02/2013 10:08:03    1332477

The master

It's February.it was a 50/50 decision imo but it was given so end of.taking the game as a whole and Tyrone were deserving winners so justice was fine in the overall scheme of things.it would have been nice to snatch the game but it would not have been deserved.mayo were most definitely not robbed by this decision.

As they say,you can learn more in defeat than in victory.mayo struggled against a blanket defence again and it is something that they need to counteract should they have intentions winning the ultimate prize come September.

jono (Mayo) - Posts: 350 - 12/02/2013 10:17:08    1332486

Tyronetim, you say I am dismissing what everyone is saying, are you not doing the same? May I ask, where was the ball in this picture? Already gone past the post perhaps? The fact is he took the shot before he collided with the keeper and before Higgins got a hand on him. The shot had been taken. Obviously there is going to be a collision afterwards. Why do we have to go off this still image alone? Surely the live play is the best thing to go off?

The usual diversionary nonsense. I'm saying you chose to select one part of what Omaghredhand posted and ignored all other less complimentary aspects for your own ends.
The ball was heading right at an unnatural angle and not as you suggest already past the post. I must use your argument for every foul we commit in the future - it was his momentum. There were a lot of "collisions afterwards" in this game.
The picture clearly shows Mark Donnelly's contorted body the ball spilling of his right hand side Keith Higgins with his hand on his hip and shoulder from behind thereby creating the momnetum necessary to destabilise the attacker and fouling him consequently. Love you all to see this because it show an Umpire really doing his job crouched and watching diligently. The umpires were (As posted previously) consulted ratifying the decision made by Deegan and most right minded GAA followers.
Interestingly on watching back again last night (I enjoyed the win) it was not the only penalty in this incident - Lee Keegan straddled Joe McMahon both arms wrapped round him and you see for some period Joe struggling to get free.

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 12/02/2013 10:28:38    1332491

Beelzedub, if you read the posts you would see that I never once said it was an excuse. At no point did I say mayo should have won, in fact I stated multiple times that tyrone deserved to win. I made the point that the ref had a bad game. Your point was that the goalkeeper colliding with him had some part in the 'foul'. The goalkeeper was trying to make a save, the guy miss-kicked the ball wide so clearly he was never going to get a touch on it. Had the shot been on target he might well have. However, whether it was on target or not should not influence whether the keeper fouled the guy or not, he was protecting his goal, and he did that. do you suggest he should get out of his way? That is like saying that when bernard brogan missed his 1 on 1 last year against the same keeper, he could have gone down for a foul afterwards. As regards higgins' involvement, he put 1 hand towards the ball when the guy went to shoot, the shot went in and it went wide, there was a collision afterwards between the 3 of them. If that is a foul then why isnt there a foul every time 2 players collide in the middle of the field? It is a very soft penalty at best. But anyway, not to worry, here's hoping mayo get a similar one in their favour come the 2nd of March, I have a feeling we would be hearing a different story if that were to happen. The difference is Beelzedub, if it were to happen on that occasion, I would say the same as I say now.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/02/2013 10:37:18    1332498

jono
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1332486 The master

It's February.it was a 50/50 decision imo but it was given so end of.taking the game as a whole and Tyrone were deserving winners so justice was fine in the overall scheme of things.it would have been nice to snatch the game but it would not have been deserved.mayo were most definitely not robbed by this decision.

As they say,you can learn more in defeat than in victory.mayo struggled against a blanket defence again and it is something that they need to counteract should they have intentions winning the ultimate prize come September.

Wise words from Jono here, a Mayo man who sees things with an eagles eye. Mayo must move on and become better after the weekends game, thats what divison one footie is all about - to be tested, to loose out and to improve. As you quite rightly say Mayo failed against Tyrones blanket defense whereas Tyrone succeeded against Mayo's blanket defense. Tyrone have been trying for the last few years to counteract the swarming defense and thats why we could deal with Mayo. Its all very well being able to do it yourself but what happens when the opposing team is playing the same way?? Its all about holding onto the ball and keeping possession, to give the ball away through error is criminal. Harte has been working on a way to counteract blanket defenses with the aim of toppling Jim McGuinness and Donegal. I think he may be getting there....

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 12/02/2013 10:40:01    1332500

Lads The Master wrecks my head aswell when I see him coming in on a debate I usually just stop posting but on the peno I agree with him for me it was never a peno. I've watched it loads of times and for me Donnelly makes a meal of it.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/02/2013 10:41:46    1332502

The TV pictures are nowhere near good enough to make a judgement. The ref was a lot closer and made the call. End of.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/02/2013 11:03:00    1332514

Muckross, if you had lost the AI final on that incident would you be so quick to dismiss it? Can you not see that it is relevant to every team? Im not really bothered about the loss, not much can be learned from the game, it is very early, the conditions were terrible and our side was quite experimental. I was actually half expecting a loss or a draw if Im honest. My issue is with the ref making that call. You say he was in a good position but he was over 40 yards away when the long ball went in so I dont see how you can make that claim. People are saying the previous 2 mayo frees were not fouls, and I dont think they were either, yet there was more deliberate contact in the 2nd of those than there was in for the penalty. You cant have it every way. The point is I dont believe the ref could have been sure it was a penalty, because hand on heart I dont think anyone can honestly say that they know it was for sure, and we have been able to watch it over and over. He was 40 odd yards away trying to catch up with the long ball in, no way did he see enough of it, and frankly we are only fooling ourselves if we believe he did. I dont think you can give a penalty if you are not sure, do you muckross? We seen afterwards that the ref gave mayo a chance to level it, even though time should probably have been up, I think he done this because he wasnt sure and was trying to even it up, and that is something I dislike in the gaa; refs influencing the game to cover their own backsides. If there is a doubt in his head then he shouldnt be giving the decision in the first place, so this covering tactic that is all too prevalent in the gaa shouldnt be required. If it turns out that he got it wrong well then come out and say look Im sorry but I couldnt see it at the time. I dont think anyone would hold a grudge if that were the case.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/02/2013 12:04:10    1332561

zzzzzz

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 480 - 12/02/2013 12:07:26    1332568

royaldunne
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As for me I'll be sticking my euros on kildare to be dropped from div one, hear is the betting on it

To be Relegated

Kildare 4/7

doublehop
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You going putting on a fiver to win 2.85 royaldunne?

royaldunne
County: Meath
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Bit more than that double,

royaldunne
County: Meath
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If in doubt didn't put a cent on you going down, and only lost fiver first week, but got it back this with dub, kildare, meath, cavan, Westmeath accum let's just say i didn't go to work yesterday,

Lies make baby Jesus cry.

And sure isn't it midterm this week, you're already off are you not?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 12/02/2013 12:08:56    1332573

Master,
I got about 3 lines down through your last post before losing the will to live. If you are going to post at length put in a couple of paragraphs!!
1. I didn't say he was in a good position, I said he was in a better position.
2 It wasn't an All Ireland Final it was a league game in Feb, if it was an All Ireland final I mightn't like it but I wouldn't go on & on about it. Refs are human and will make mistakes, but in the long run things balance themselves ou.

I remember playing in a match many years ago where I told the ref half way through that he wasn't having a very good game. His response was that however poor he was it was still a lot better than me!!! As the old saying goes, there wasn't a lot I could say to that.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/02/2013 12:20:53    1332583

Master its time to park it there. You didn't hear any excuses from James Horan afterwards. The better team won. We also got two very soft free's to go two points up just before the penalty - swings and roundabouts. Move on and hopefully the team will learn something from the defeat.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11691 - 12/02/2013 12:40:41    1332597

You didn't hear any excuses from James Horan afterwards

Yeah he must have decided to take a break from that after the show he made of himself over the last few weeks.

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 480 - 12/02/2013 12:45:01    1332601

But he wasnt in a better position muckross...
As for going on and on, I made a simple point about the decision, that has been repeatedly turned into something it is not by other posters, so I have to restate the case again and again. If people actually read what was said, without jumping to the conclusions they desire, I wouldnt have had to state it so many times. It has nothing to do with tyrone and mayo, any two teams could be substituted in there. Throughout this thread my only point has been about refereeing, yet all I hear back is mayo this and that. It is a sad state of affairs when people cant have a genuine debate on a relevant subject without it descending into that type of rubbish.
I am fully aware that refs are human, as the end of my last post indicates. However, there is a certain level of, I wont say honesty, but let us say calling it as they see it, that we should expect from them. And this idea of 'evening things out' is just a cop out of their responsibility. They are effectively saying, 'well I didnt think that first incident was a free, but I gave it because someone else did or because I was afraid it might get me a bit of press afterwards, even though I believe I was right. So now I'll give the other team a foul so they can make it even and there wont be any repercussions'. If their decision turns out to be wrong well then fair enough, just come out and say so afterwards. This vow of silence refs engage in is ridiculous. We all know they got the decision wrong, pretending only makes it worse.

(Cue a mayo related response)

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/02/2013 12:54:15    1332611

He was in a better position. If he was 40 yards away as you say then that still makes him 100 yards closer than the tv cameras.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/02/2013 13:04:07    1332624