DLlegends
Those two fouls mentioned were tactical fouls, and cynical. After Keegan had tackled mc Hugh he turned around after the booking and gave a sly nod and wink to a Mayo player. Vaughan late tackle on Lacey was the same also. Your not trying to tell me that this wasnt preplanned? I have no problem with teams trying to roughen the opposition up, but dont cry about it if it doesnt work!

If they were trying to roughen them up then they werent trying to carry out systematic fouling, they are by definition 2 different things. Roughing guys up is going to result in a card, as I said what kind of system works around getting cards?


Im not saying that Donegal didnt pull jerseys durinig games now and again, every team does, but they did try and play the ball most of the time. The games before the final Mayo made no attempt to play the ball most of the time.

No, they done it more than everyone else and they done it systematically, the stats back this up. As regards the semi final, mayo gave away a score every time, again, hardly a good system is it?


Mayo systematiclly went out in the Dublin game to pull jerseys and then stand in front of the free taker. Now every team does this now and again but not to the lengths Mayo went to in the semi. The Donegal v Cork was one of the cleanest games all year.

Again, the stats say donegal done more of this than anyone else. The amount of times the ball was brought forward in the final on a mayo free was unbelievable. It was even higher than the kerry game, which was also very high. Go and count them if you dont believe it.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/01/2013 17:51:05    1319318

Tir Conaill Abu

Dont understand your reference to 2011: What happened that year that would make us Offaly gang any sorer than usual ?????

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 16/01/2013 18:01:27    1319325

DLlegends
County: Donegal
Posts: 119


'' The games before the final Mayo made no attempt to play the ball most of the time. ''


SEMI-FINAL: Mayo 4-20 Leitrim 0-10 (McHale Park, 24/6/2012). MAYO: David Clarke; Kevin Keane, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins (0-1); Lee Keegan (0-1), Donal Vaughan, Colm Boyle; Barry Moran (0-1), Danny Geraghty (0-1); Kevin McLoughlin (1-2), Cillian O'Connor (0-6, frees), Alan Dillon (0-3); Alan Freeman (1-0), Andy Moran (2-0), Jason Doherty. Subs: Richie Feeney for Boyle, Ronan McGarrity (0-1) for Geraghty, Conor Mortimer (0-2, one free) for Freeman, Michael Conroy (0-1) for Doherty, Enda Varley (0-1) for Andy Moran.


FINAL: Mayo 0-12 Sligo 0-10 (Hyde Park, 15/7/2012). MAYO: David Clarke; Kevin Keane, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Colm Boyle (0-1), Donal Vaughan, Lee Keegan (0-1); Barry Moran (0-1), Danny Geraghty (0-1); Kevin McLoughlin, Cillian O'Connor (0-3, two frees, one 45), Alan Dillon (0-2); Enda Varley (0-1, free), Andy Moran (0-1), Jason Doherty. Subs: Aidan O'Shea (0-1) for Geraghty; Michael Conroy for Varley, Alan Freeman for Doherty.


QUARTER-FINAL Mayo 3-18 Down 2-9 (Croke Park, 4/8/2012). MAYO: David Clarke; Kevin Keane, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Lee Keegan (0-1), Donal Vaughan, Colm Boyle; Barry Moran, Aidan O'Shea (0-1); Kevin McLoughlin (0-2), Cillian O'Connor (0-7, six frees), Alan Dillon (0-4); Michael Conroy (2-1), Andy Moran (0-1), Jason Doherty (1-0). Subs: Alan Freeman for andy Moran, Richie Feeney for Doherty, Enda Varley (0-1) for Conroy, Jason Gibbons for O'Shea, Chris Barrett for Boyle.

SEMI-FINAL: Mayo 0-19 Dublin 0-16 (Croke Park, 2/9/2012). MAYO: David Clarke; Kevin Keane, Ger Cafferkey, Keith Higgins; Lee Keegan, Donal Vaughan, Chris Barrett; Barry Moran (0-1), Aidan O'Shea; Kevin McLoughlin (0-2), Jason Doherty (0-1), Alan Dillon (0-3); Enda Varley (0-2, one free), Cillian O'Connor (0-7, three '45s, three frees), Michael Conroy (0-1). Subs: Richie Feeney (0-1) for Keegan, Alan Freeman for Varley (blood), Colm Boyle for McLoughlin (blood), Jason Gibbons for Feeney, Shane McHale for Keane, Kevin McLoughlin for Doherty, Seamus O'Shea (0-1) for Aidan O'Shea.


Yes of course Mayo made no attempt to play the ball in the games before the all Ireland.

What in the name of is the craic in here with the anti Mayo brigade, it is unbelievable. A squad of players and management who have done nothing but gave all for the cause of Mayo football and with pure focus on adding that little bit of edge that we have lacked over the years and ironically it was the same brigade who persisted to tell us over the years we were not cynical enough that are the ones screaming from the rooftops...

Scared much lads and lassies, me thinks.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 16/01/2013 18:09:52    1319331

'Blinkers' oh sorry 'The Master'

Scared much lads and lassies, me thinks.

He He, at least you ended on a funny note!

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 17/01/2013 09:21:20    1319498

DLlegends, your last post gives a good insight into your powers of observation...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 17/01/2013 09:56:32    1319517

Apologies KELF, didn't know you were an Offaly man as your county says Kildare!!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 17/01/2013 10:49:23    1319540

I think the Master has a point! Joe Brolly made a very valid point in relation to Mayo's tactics in the semi final while ignoring where Donegal were coming from! They were a little more discreet in the nature of the fouls than Mayo but there system was based on the same idea don't get hit on the counter and slow the opposition down in there attacks!

Horan was foolish in how he instructed his players to carry out the plan & in the end paid the consequenses for that!

There is a reason behind why Jimmy is outspoken in is critism of the black card offence & querying what constitutes a cynical foul!....ironic when you consider he has only just training his players in the art of cynical fouls!!!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 17/01/2013 14:45:46    1319705

Tir Conaill Abu
County: Donegal

Resident in Kildare & had an involvement so had to show it when joining for a specific purpose and am stuck with it !!

But always a Biffo !!!!!

Of course I deplore the planned taking out of JD, as admitted by Cassidy and the planned fouls.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 17/01/2013 16:21:11    1319773

51LONGAGO

We are shaking bring the master with you to Croker in March and a bigger hat for Horan to hide his big red face under.

UP TA DUBS !

Bluewave (Dublin) - Posts: 552 - 17/01/2013 17:13:21    1319807

pigonastick
County: Dublin
Posts: 449

1319705
I think the Master has a point! Joe Brolly made a very valid point in relation to Mayo's tactics in the semi final while ignoring where Donegal were coming from! They were a little more discreet in the nature of the fouls than Mayo but there system was based on the same idea don't get hit on the counter and slow the opposition down in there attacks!

Horan was foolish in how he instructed his players to carry out the plan & in the end paid the consequenses for that!

There is a reason behind why Jimmy is outspoken in is critism of the black card offence & querying what constitutes a cynical foul!....ironic when you consider he has only just training his players in the art of cynical fouls!!!

Truth be told I think all the top teams engage in this sort of thing. Mayo's problem was that they were so poor at executing it that it looked very obvious with head high challenges that were genuinely dangerous. Some of the challenges in the final were real kamikaze stuff!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 17/01/2013 18:45:27    1319862

I think all the arguments here are just reinforcing why we need something seriously done about the rules around fouling. Shocking stats re: most counties, and I think if the rule changes come everyone in the inter-county scene have no one to blame but themselves. Referee's for ignoring the existing rules, mentors for deliberately subverting the whole ethos of the word sport, county boards for turning a blind eye. Another year of this and the tumbleweed will be blowing through Croke park. Damn them all I say!!

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 17/01/2013 21:40:21    1319967

Oho, everyone running scared of mayo i see! Be afraid, be very afraid. This is our year. 10/1 in paddy powers, go make ur fortune guys

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 17/01/2013 21:47:58    1319971

MuckrossHead
County: Donegal
Posts: 384

..... Some of the challenges in the final were real kamikaze stuff!!

I fou thought they were bad in the final you should have seen the semi final.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 18/01/2013 08:41:48    1319989

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
Posts: 2170

1319971 Oho, everyone running scared of mayo i see! Be afraid, be very afraid. This is our year. 10/1 in paddy powers, go make ur fortune guys

Put €1,000 on them then whitebananas. Master and 51notlongenough have a punt . If you think they'll do it put some of your hard earned money on them. Come on lads, €500 a man.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 18/01/2013 08:44:49    1319992

Culann, I will put a bet with YOU that dublin will use cynical tactics in the 2013 championship. €1,000 you said?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/01/2013 09:58:24    1320017

Master

Again, the stats say donegal done more of this than anyone else. The amount of times the ball was brought forward in the final on a mayo free was unbelievable. It was even higher than the kerry game, which was also very high. Go and count them if you dont believe it.

I think the ball was borought forward about 4 times to Mayo one. Hardly unbelieveable! Whereas Mayo tryed to take a Donegal player out of the game on Four occasions to Donegals none. The ref also played advantage at least 4-5 times for Donegal, when coming out of defense, as mayo men were dragging around the waist not to mention the sly punches that were thrown. As i said before it all depends what way you look at it.

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 18/01/2013 10:16:19    1320028

Master, when you use the word tactics you are implying that the Dubs will be going out to be cynical. I bet you €1,000 that the Dubs will not be going out with the intention of being synical unlike another team from the West between Gaillimh agus Sligeach. I won't mention any names. If Dubs players decide to be dirty or synical in games they will be critizised by me. Same implies to other counties. I will bet you €1,000 that I will be critizing other teams for being cynical a lot more than my own county.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 18/01/2013 10:34:24    1320032

DL legend,

It is my belief Maigh Eo adopted the tactic against the Dubs of obstructing the runners once the Dubs got possession or won the turn over in their own half. Our tactics were similar yo yours in that when we won possession we had players breaking out all over the place. Maigh Eo's synical play put stop to this. They attempted to play the same tactics against your own county in the final but fair play to the ref he put a stop to it immediately by booking two Maigh Eo players within five minutes. Its a pity the ref didn't do the same in the Dubs' game.

I feel Brolly may have influenced the ref and if he did he must be commended for it. Its not for any team to win in the manner that Maigh Eo bet the Dubs and tried to play against Dún na nGall. Its such a pity they adopted this gameplane against us because it totally takes away from the great points they scored in the game.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 18/01/2013 10:41:15    1320040

I think that Donegals persistant attempts to prevent frees bee taken quickly by the opposition out the field is probably the most blatant of all cynical fouls that has been adapted as part of there game plan! The crazy things is for the last 2 years the Gaa failed to do anything about it! Joe Brolly would have donne well to highlight any player blocking a free should have been booked immediately! Donegal weren't concerned about losing the yards as long as it wasn't within scoring ddistance! This is a prime example of how Donegal have taken cynism too far in the coaching of professional fouls and yet poor Jim doesn't know what a cynical foul is apparently! Again Brolly should have brought this to article for the referree to address also!

pigonastick (Dublin) - Posts: 487 - 18/01/2013 11:06:28    1320064

How do you not intend to be cynical culann? Accidental cynicism? You do realise that is a total contradiction? Im talking about the cynicism they showed against laois last year, I say they will repeat it as some stage this year, it cant be much clearer

So the 1,000 euro bet stands then? Dublin will commit a cynical act in 2013? Time to put your money where your mouth is...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/01/2013 11:13:22    1320071