Ailteoir, that is the real crux of the issue. He only told half the story, and he done it on purpose. I have no issue with any pundit giving an honest appraisal of mayo or anyone else for that matter. Even if you dont agree, the fact that they have given their honest opinion has to be respected. But someone purposely giving a biased version, at the 11th hour before the AI final, in my opinion crosses the boundary into a place where pundits shouldnt be.
As regards the timing of conlon's article, maybe he had enough respect for the gaa to not put it out when it could affect the biggest date on the football calender?
Finally, re brolly's predictions, they are right, when a northern team wins. Read into that what you will.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/01/2013 10:20:25    1317912

Re Conlon's article. Can the posters who are so quick to disregard it point out one part of it that is not factually accurate?
Because if you cannot then how can you say it is 'laughable'?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/01/2013 10:30:02    1317917

Read the previous posts Master and you'll see what the inaccuracies were! And what about Liam McHales analysis on Newstalk the day before the final! Shocking comments in my opinion. Time for Horan to man up and stop his silly whingeing.... Mayo will never win anything with that attitude!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 14/01/2013 10:38:19    1317923

I really don't get the Donegal fans who defend McGuinness over his treatment of Declan Bogue but then say Horan isn't right to take umbrage with Brolly's remarks.

Declan Bogue wrote a book where he simply communicated the opinions of a Donegal player and apparently it's okay then to not allow him do his job and exclude him from a press conference. Joe Brolly deliberately attempted to use a match preview to influence the result of the All-Ireland final which is not why he was invited on the show as a supposed neutral pundit. Which crime is worse? Apparently Bogues if you're to believe these Donegal posters... and why? Because Donegal won the game? Does the winner automatically get some sort of moral high ground? Absolute nonsense...

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 14/01/2013 11:15:17    1317948

Lifford Gael, I am hoping against hope that you are not referring to the frankly facile point that donegal played tyrone in the semi final as opposed to the final. Please tell me you are not actually suggesting that the entire article should be dismissed on that point. How about the actual relevant facts of the article?
As regards liam mchale. Maybe it is just me, but I believe the comments of a former mayo intercounty player are not going to hold as much weight as the comments of a leading RTE pundit. McHale is a mayo fan, we know what he is going to say. It is like the former donegal player that was saying donegal were going to steamroll everyone. Brolly is supposed to be a leading professional pundit and an official representitive of RTE. This isnt the direction football should be taking. Conlon is 100% correct. Im not stating that mayo's tactics should have been ignored, I am saying that when the subject was broached, there should have been an unbiased appraisal.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/01/2013 11:22:57    1317955

So who was to blame for Mayos embaressing defeat to Leitrim yesterday? RTE bias again?

theboydonegood (Donegal) - Posts: 522 - 14/01/2013 11:33:39    1317966

The GAA is a very biased organisation in general. I seen some unsavoury scenes from yesterdays game between Kildare and Wexford from Sportsfile/Inpho. Now a few years ago Meath/Dublin did the same and got bans for it. Same last year in Monaghan and Kildare league game. Id say there will be nothing said about this tho because its a game in january?? a bit of consistency is all you want. If Paul Galvin was involved cue a 2 month suspension.

db9 (Meath) - Posts: 283 - 14/01/2013 11:42:29    1317979

Spot on doublehop. It doesnt add up at all. Personally, Im not even interested in getting into what managers have to say about their teams. They are going to be biased from the off, we know that. They arent in the business of fair analysis. McGuinness is going to defend his team and horan his. On the topic of bogue, I thought mcguinness over-reacted a little but on the face of it he was trying to look out for his team. It is the same with any former player or person with a connection to the county who were asked for thier input. They are just fans at the end of the day. That is the difference between what they have to say and what brolly has to say. He is supposed to be a professional analyst for the sunday game, has the guy got any pride in his job at all? Imagine being a leading analyst and being known as the guy who tried to influence the AI final. It should be addressed in my opinion.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/01/2013 11:52:14    1317988

I think what can be taken from all the comments is the shocking "fact" that all teams foul 26/27/28 times per game (no matter who you read or listen too)- that is persistent cynical fouling - all do it - hence the ruination of the game as a form of entertainment.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 14/01/2013 12:07:40    1318000

All teams do it. Dublin did it last year in leinster final and wasnt much said. Mayo did it to dublin and there was war!! its part and parcel of the game now. Brought in by Tyrone and Armagh. Pity really. Unless rules become tougher it will continue

db9 (Meath) - Posts: 283 - 14/01/2013 12:11:31    1318003

It's pretty hypocritical that the former Dublin boss came out over the weekend and said cynicism needs to be taken out of of game. Is he forgetting that only for cynicism last year his team wouldn't even have made the AI Final never mind win it?

Collie09 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 14/01/2013 12:28:43    1318013

Anyone else think Horan might be trying to create a siege mentality in Mayo? Take a look at succesful sides. United, Donegal, any Mourhinio team. Siege mentality seems to work.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/01/2013 12:37:26    1318023

Boydonegood no need to be a smart ass. Are we analysing the last 2 Donegal matches? No, so try and stick to the point good man.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8445 - 14/01/2013 12:48:31    1318035

TheMaster
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Imagine being a leading analyst and being known as the guy who tried to influence the AI final. It should be addressed in my opinion.

Fair enough Master, but how do you address it? Brolly wasn't having a go at Mayo but instead, at what was in his eyes poor refereeing in the semi final. If a pundit can't raise issues like this then we may as well do away with them all together. Free speech entitles all of us to an opinion.
For the record nothing Brolly said had any effect on the two goals that effectively decided the game. It was just poor defending.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 14/01/2013 13:10:29    1318057

For the record nothing Brolly said had any effect on the two goals that effectively decided the game. It was just poor defending.

I think you could safely say that's that regarding this entire "What if" pointless thread.

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 480 - 14/01/2013 13:25:43    1318079

gotmilk
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Anyone else think Horan might be trying to create a siege mentality in Mayo? Take a look at succesful sides. United, Donegal, any Mourhinio team. Siege mentality seems to work.


Someone with a bit of common sense at last. It seems to bypass most posters in here ,a chara.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 14/01/2013 13:37:55    1318093

I have to date been a huge fan of Horan and his work with Mayo but honestly this type of thing lowers him a notch or two in my estimation, he has a talented squad that I think has the potential to bring that long awaited All Ireland to Mayo, better to concentrate on that rather than engage in petty meaningless squabbles with an RTE pundit

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3749 - 14/01/2013 13:43:01    1318097

From what I know about Horan he seems like a smart enough cookie 51. It seems like he wants to go down this road. Although 51 I don't think it will work for ye this year. I fancy Tyrone this year. I think they could be very dark horses

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/01/2013 13:50:40    1318102

Mayo will have no where near the success they had last year. Cian O'Neill was the brains behind last years particular operation and he has bolted for Kerry. Watch and see...

theboydonegood (Donegal) - Posts: 522 - 14/01/2013 14:20:33    1318131

14/01/2013 12:11:31
db9
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1318003 All teams do it. Dublin did it last year in leinster final and wasnt much said. Mayo did it to dublin and there was war!! its part and parcel of the game now. Brought in by Tyrone and Armagh. Pity really. Unless rules become tougher it will continue.

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ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 14/01/2013 14:23:02    1318135