159 odd posts and still some cant get their head around the difference between poaching (illegal) and transfering (legal) its actually quite simple, one is illegal and the other is legal, above board and correct. The difference between a well known case discussed here is the dubious extreme bending of the rules to make a move legal and the rest which are perfectly legit end off.

As for Brigids advertising, all Dublin clubs do it from nursery up to adult level - they have too. Most clubs have a core area that feeds into them but the newer apartment complex'es and developments in new area's are important recruitment opportunities.

Brigids have fantastic facillities - but a falling demograph - they have Castleknock GAA club breathing down their necks and competing for the same pool of players at Juvenile level.

But for adults Brigids is a very attractive option for country lads and lasses moving to Dublin - has everything and near everything.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 04/01/2013 21:45:24    1313832

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159 odd posts and still some cant get their head around the difference between poaching (illegal) and transfering (legal) its actually quite simple, one is illegal and the other is legal, above board and correct. The difference between a well known case discussed here is the dubious extreme bending of the rules to make a move legal and the rest which are perfectly legit end off.

Explain to us how this is any different to the Seanie Johnson transfer? Very same thing happpened yet the Dublin posters seem to think its some how different. Wile your at it explain also how Parnells got Colm Begley to transfer that them wile he was in college? Seeing as how students aren't meant to be able to transfer, would that not mean it was illagal? Wile on the subject of poaching i suppose it just so happened that Conor Mortimer job a job with the club in Dublin he joined at the same time? So what about Ryan O'Dwyer who at the same time he gets a job in Dublin he's joining the Dublin hurling team despite the fact he had never even played a club game in Dublin, how did he know he was going to be on the panel?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 05/01/2013 13:41:47    1313898

Moomoo on those points I whole heartedly agree with you. There is no doubt about it that those transfers are all a bit dodgy.

Some of the Dubs on here have no right to pontificate about the SJ transfer while refusing to accept that the ones you mention are all above board.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 05/01/2013 13:55:59    1313908

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You still haven't answered my question as to why you seem to believe that joining St. Brigids is not a voluntary decision.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 05/01/2013 13:57:50    1313909

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You still haven't answered my question as to why you seem to believe that joining St. Brigids is not a voluntary decision.

Not saying there forced but the examples i showed above all the players had there arms twisted into joining, but of course all of them examples are just coincidences arent they?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 05/01/2013 14:07:24    1313917

Dont agree with ryan o dwyer playing for dublin, hes a tip man . dont agree with parnells either and some of their transfers.
Brigids advertising for new members is totally different arguement. these clubs cant stand still , they need to try and get big juvenile bases to start with because its hard to keep them as they get older and a good percentage is lost to other sports and other interests as the kids get older. this is only gaa volunteers wanting to get more players involved in their club. nothing else.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 05/01/2013 14:30:05    1313924

moomoo

you seem to blame the club all the time where as i dont agree with parnells getting all them country guys in you also have to question these guys morals who are joining them as they are not going there for the good of there heart they are going to play for them for a reason lets just say money talks

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/01/2013 15:18:34    1313939

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you seem to blame the club all the time where as i dont agree with parnells getting all them country guys in you also have to question these guys morals who are joining them as they are not going there for the good of there heart they are going to play for them for a reason lets just say money talks

Well the player themselves have some of the blame but its the clubs that are putting offers on the table. MesAmis being one example seems to turn a blind eye to this. When a club comes to a player and offers him a job or what ever can you say that there voluntary joining the club? Its not only in Dublin as i know the same thing happens in Cork with some clubs in the city

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 05/01/2013 15:26:56    1313944

Moomoo

Can you please show us all where in St. Brigids advert where they were offering to get players jobs.

It was this advert that you believed showed that joining Brigids wasn't a matter of choice.

Offering jobs to players to transfer is wrong, everyone is in agreement over that. My issue with you is that you seem to have an objection to Brigids, or any other club, trying to get new members.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 05/01/2013 15:41:08    1313947

no i dont agree with parnells doing this but at same time i blame the country guy who joins them just as much as parnells as where is there morals or there love for their own club which we always hear them say,most them guys only join parnells for a certain reason and that reason does not involve them already living in dublin they only move to dublin when they join parnells.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/01/2013 15:45:29    1313948

Moomoo The SJ transfer by any stretch of the imagination (and you need a good one at that) is not remotely the same as the other other transfers. Begley, Mortimer and O'Dwyer are entitled to play for these clubs/county, they used the rules as they exist. The other case was different with a whole farce and saga around where he lived and worked etc etc The sight of him donning a Helmet and Hurley was really desperation stuff - embarresing actually.

Mortimer and Begley transfered to and got jobs and now play with Parnells, so what? you might not like it but it was fairly straightforward legit process. If people don't like the rules - press to change them, change the rules, but don't break them and then start wagging the finger at everyone else.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 05/01/2013 17:50:57    1313985

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Can you please show us all where in St. Brigids advert where they were offering to get players jobs.

It was this advert that you believed showed that joining Brigids wasn't a matter of choice.

Offering jobs to players to transfer is wrong, everyone is in agreement over that. My issue with you is that you seem to have an objection to Brigids, or any other club, trying to get new members.

Did i say any thing about them offering players jobs? Dont think so just you making things up again. Once again i ever said anything like that, again thats you. As another Dublin poster has said there not joining the clubs purely for footballing reasons are they? If you were to voluntarily join a club it would be for footballing reasons alone would it not?

I have objection when clubs are getting members by offering them jobs etc Itd already been show to you that clubs dont go out to look for members after you said that every club in the country does it, but of course you've turned a blind eye to that as well

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 06/01/2013 15:56:29    1314193

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Moomoo The SJ transfer by any stretch of the imagination (and you need a good one at that) is not remotely the same as the other other transfers. Begley, Mortimer and O'Dwyer are entitled to play for these clubs/county, they used the rules as they exist. The other case was different with a whole farce and saga around where he lived and worked etc etc The sight of him donning a Helmet and Hurley was really desperation stuff - embarresing actually.

Mortimer and Begley transfered to and got jobs and now play with Parnells, so what? you might not like it but it was fairly straightforward legit process. If people don't like the rules - press to change them, change the rules, but don't break them and then start wagging the finger at everyone else.

As i said when Begley joined them he was in college in DCU and the rules say students cant transfer to a club in the county where they are in college, so that would mean it was an illegal transfer would it not? As i also said was it a coincidence that at the same time Mortimer got a job with Parnells he also joined them?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 06/01/2013 16:01:18    1314196

Yis are knocking yer heads against a brick wall arguing with him lads!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 06/01/2013 16:40:41    1314223

Moomoo "As i said when Begley joined them he was in college in DCU and the rules say students cant transfer to a club in the county where they are in college, so that would mean it was an illegal transfer would it not?"
No - because he was transfered - therefore there was some other factor at work - there are no illegal transfers in the GAA, everyone has to be approved before it can be sanctioned. If its sanctioned its legal and thats the end of it.

Personally I have no problem with anyone playing for a county, provided they qualify if so, there is no problem? Is it just because some players have some ability? No one seems to give a fig leaf for the HUNDREDS of inter-county transfers every year in every county.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 06/01/2013 17:09:35    1314231

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Did i say any thing about them offering players jobs? Dont think so just you making things up again. Once again i ever said anything like that, again thats you. As another Dublin poster has said there not joining the clubs purely for footballing reasons are they? If you were to voluntarily join a club it would be for footballing reasons alone would it not?

I have objection when clubs are getting members by offering them jobs etc Itd already been show to you that clubs dont go out to look for members after you said that every club in the country does it, but of course you've turned a blind eye to that as well

Yes, yes you did. You were the one who brought it into our discussion relating to the St. Brigids advert.

Also in your above post you say you haven't mentioned job offers in the Brigids case (which you have) but then use the notion that St. Brigids are offering jobs (which they are not in the advert) to continue your ludicrous claim that joining St. Brigids is not a voluntary thing. I have to take my hat off to your twisted and totally incorrect logic.

Also your other claim that no other clubs anywhere in the country ever try and get new members is possibly your most ridiculous effort ever, and there's a lot of competition for that particular prize. I'll repeat again for your benefit. No new members means the clubs, eventually, will not exist. All clubs, in differing ways have systems in place to recruit new members. Try and get your head round that buddy if you can.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 06/01/2013 19:39:20    1314331

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Did i say any thing about them offering players jobs? Dont think so just you making things up again. Once again i ever said anything like that, again thats you. As another Dublin poster has said there not joining the clubs purely for footballing reasons are they? If you were to voluntarily join a club it would be for footballing reasons alone would it not?

I have objection when clubs are getting members by offering them jobs etc Itd already been show to you that clubs dont go out to look for members after you said that every club in the country does it, but of course you've turned a blind eye to that as well

Yes, yes you did. You were the one who brought it into our discussion relating to the St. Brigids advert.

Also in your above post you say you haven't mentioned job offers in the Brigids case (which you have) but then use the notion that St. Brigids are offering jobs (which they are not in the advert) to continue your ludicrous claim that joining St. Brigids is not a voluntary thing. I have to take my hat off to your twisted and totally incorrect logic.

Also your other claim that no other clubs anywhere in the country ever try and get new members is possibly your most ridiculous effort ever, and there's a lot of competition for that particular prize. I'll repeat again for your benefit. No new members means the clubs, eventually, will not exist. All clubs, in differing ways have systems in place to recruit new members. Try and get your head round that buddy if you can.

I never said a word about St. Brigids did i? I said Parnells, you are the one saying St. Brigids are doing it. You are also the one who brought up it not being a voluntary thing. As always you turn blind eye to other posters saying they join clubs for non footballing reasons

Again i never said clubs dont try and get members did i? No again thats you thats saying it. I said plenty of clubs dont, you however said that every club goes out to get members and you were shown thats not the case. You now change you're story by saying they have systems in place to get new members when you first said they go put and advertise to get members.

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 07/01/2013 14:31:41    1314694

Just to give people an idea of the amount of Inter-county (club) transfers in the Leinster area only - its quite staggering:
http://www.leinstergaa.ie/_fileupload/Transfer%20Schedule%202010-11E.pdf
(by the way that file is freely available on that website) That doesn't take into account, Ulster, Connacht, Munster or probably overseas.

In these recession times it can only get worse.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 07/01/2013 14:56:01    1314711

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I never said a word about St. Brigids did i? I said Parnells, you are the one saying St. Brigids are doing it. You are also the one who brought up it not being a voluntary thing. As always you turn blind eye to other posters saying they join clubs for non footballing reasons

Again i never said clubs dont try and get members did i? No again thats you thats saying it. I said plenty of clubs dont, you however said that every club goes out to get members and you were shown thats not the case. You now change you're story by saying they have systems in place to get new members when you first said they go put and advertise to get members.

You brought up the Brigids advert.

You said it was not a voluntry decision to join them.

You said clubs should be happy with membership they've got.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13827 - 07/01/2013 16:28:39    1314793

It appears Brigids aren't the only ones advertising Ratoath in Co.Meath are at it aswell. Ratoath won the Junior championship in Meath this year and also won the Minor what sort of need to do have to advertise for.

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 07/01/2013 18:30:39    1314894