Not getting a tit for tat but you spefically wrote that theSJ did untold damage. There was damage done before that transfer. Why did the SJ transfer in particular do untold damage. Why not the Larry Tompkins one, the Shea Fahy oneor the DeclanDarcy one. Imo they've all done untold damage and not one in particular.

Now we'll agree to differ and move on.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 14/12/2012 13:00:53    1310465

In london players have being getting jobs there rent paid and given money to transfer from ireland and smaller clubs in london and being paid for playing its being going on for years.

knowtherules (UK) - Posts: 181 - 14/12/2012 13:23:21    1310475

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 830

1310465 Not getting a tit for tat but you spefically wrote that theSJ did untold damage. There was damage done before that transfer. Why did the SJ transfer in particular do untold damage. Why not the Larry Tompkins one, the Shea Fahy oneor the DeclanDarcy one. Imo they've all done untold damage and not one in particular.

Now we'll agree to differ and move on.

First off, we will not agree to differ and move on. Larry Tomkins is a Castlehaven man. He has lived in Cork longer than he lived in Cill Dara. He has worked in Corcaigh while living there. It is questionable whether SJ lives in Cill Dara and he doesn't work there. He also fell out with lucht CLG sa gCabhán. There is no comparision. The same can be said for your other examples. Now, if you have anything further to add about this go ahead. I will not wasting time responding. Be open and honest and do not to be afraid to critisize your own when they do something wrong.

Now, back to your question ''Why did the SJ transfer in particular do untold damage''? Do you really want me to answer that? Do I have to answer that. The GAA works in a club and county basis. Every young child from Ballymun in Dublin for example, dreams of playing for Ballymun and Dublin. Unless that person has family connection, a work and living connection with another county. He can only play for Dublin. I cannot believe I have to explain this? Are you really a GAA fan?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/12/2012 13:26:38    1310479

knowtherules
County: UK
Posts: 77

1310475 In london players have being getting jobs there rent paid and given money to transfer from ireland and smaller clubs in london and being paid for playing its being going on for years.

I think that is a different argument, but, ye, equally as wrong if not worse. I like to see GAA players being looked after but that is a whole differnt story.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/12/2012 13:28:54    1310480

I think there is a big difference with the SJ and propsed Mulligan transfer and various other transfers, both don't live or work near the clubs they are transferring to. I transferred to a dublin club because I was living and working in Dublin. The only reason I can see for the SJ and Mulligan transfers is that they are getting some sort of inducement to move to these clubs.
In regards the UK most guys who come over and get jobs look for the transfer, they contact clubs or lads the know in London to see if there is any work. In most instances the club will help them get a job and find accomodation, but after that its up to them to keep their job and pay their own rent. There are only a very small number of big senior clubs in Lonodn who go out looking for lads and promising them work and accomofation, also its only the top name playes that get brown paper bags.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 14/12/2012 13:54:51    1310494

Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 1235

First off, we will not agree to differ and move on. Larry Tomkins is a Castlehaven man. He has lived in Cork longer than he lived in Cill Dara. He has worked in Corcaigh while living there. It is questionable whether SJ lives in Cill Dara and he doesn't work there. He also fell out with lucht CLG sa gCabhán. There is no comparision. The same can be said for your other examples. Now, if you have anything further to add about this go ahead. I will not wasting time responding. Be open and honest and do not to be afraid to critisize your own when they do something wrong.

So effectively what you're saying is that if Seanie ends up staying and working in Kildare for longer than he was in Cavan everything will be rosey.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 14/12/2012 13:57:01    1310497

if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
Posts: 1426

So effectively what you're saying is that if Seanie ends up staying and working in Kildare for longer than he was in Cavan everything will be rosey.

No. Effectively what I am saying is that what Seanie Johnson did was a disgrace and it should not have happened. Not only is it totally against the ethos of our great organisation but it has potentially done an auful lot of damage to the GAA. What Thomkins, Darcy and the other lads did was different. If SJ went to a different county you would possibly know what I was talking about. The fact that its your own county is blinding your judgement.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/12/2012 14:06:57    1310500

do i think Mulligan going to Brigids would be wrong yes i do . He has no allegiance to Dublin whether it be work or another reason. it would only be if he got a transfer which i dont understand why he would. In regards Dec Darcy i think lads mention him all the time but at least he had parents from Leitrim and was living down there thats why he played with them. Jason Ward did the same thing lining out for Leitrim.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 14/12/2012 14:24:38    1310508

Is this a stepping stone to a potential intercounty transfer?

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 14/12/2012 14:30:42    1310514

The dogs on the street know that Larry fell out with Kildare and met up with the Castlehaven lads in New York. He then moved to Castlehaven to play with them and shortly after opened his own pub in Cork City. Now if you are naive enough to think that Larry wasnt in contact with CCB then Id stay away from the emails about your 30m Spanish Lottery win if I were you.

I could mention the likes of Billy Sheehan too but no doubt you'd find some other reason to think thats different too.

CBig clubs are poaching players for donkeys years but you chose to ignore that you're most likely not heavily involved in the club scene. It only others you when its intercounty and it makes the papers.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 14/12/2012 14:30:49    1310515

Culann
Just to clarify. Larry Tomkins went to Cork because he had a row with the Kildare County board. He wasn't working in Cork at the time but was given a job along with his transfer.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3038 - 14/12/2012 14:31:52    1310517

Cualann

On ut point "Larry Tomkins is a Castlehaven man"

Larry does not and never has, lived in or even near Castlehaven !!!!!!!!

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 14/12/2012 14:52:53    1310530

THere is no one to blame for these sham transfers other than CentralCouncil, cause they have being turning a blind eye to it for years.They would rather see about 20 top clubs with all the good players and to hell with the small clubs .America, England and top clubs in Ireland have being poaching top players with a job and a brown envelope for years. Central Council are like our Goverment they tell you this is the first time they have heared about it. If they checked on clubs like St Bridgets Dublin St Galls Belfast and St Bridgets rosscommon but to mention a few and see over the last couple of years how many tranfers into these clubs and you find out they are all top class players who dont even live or work in the area. Its to easy to get an address, it should be home town or were you work to stop this corruption. Mulligan neither works or lives in Dublin but i bet he already has his new address and key for the door this last month and he hasnt even put in for his transfer yet

christopher (Donegal) - Posts: 81 - 14/12/2012 16:03:06    1310570

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 830

1310412 Why would I have a chip on my shoulder.

Im from a small club who constantly lose our better players to the senior club up the road. No doubt there are100s of clubs in the same boat. If these saviours of our association were as concerned during these club transfers as they were during the SJ one then the Gaa might have done something about it.


Amen to that. I saw Meath posters commenting the SJ saga as if it was going to bring about the end of the organisation. Some of the same posters would regard John McDermott as a GAA legend.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 524 - 14/12/2012 16:15:03    1310576

that is nothing

you should see the situation in Westmeath
there is no parish rule, and the bigger clubs are hoovering up talented young players from smaller less successful clubs

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1903 - 14/12/2012 16:20:29    1310580

valley84
County: Westmeath
Posts: 281

1310580 that is nothing

you should see the situation in Westmeath
there is no parish rule, and the bigger clubs are hoovering up talented young players from smaller less successful clubs

Its not exclusive to westmeath mate. Navan O'Mahonies and Simonstown have cherry picked good young players from smaller, weaker clubs for years but the co board ignore it everytime, despite the issues being raised at co board meetings. thats the most infuriating thing about these sort of transfers, the people in power see it, know its wrong, aknowledge that its wrong, but choose to let it happen rather than upset a few of their county delegate buddies by standing up against it.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 14/12/2012 16:55:49    1310598

to be fair culann the problem is far worse in dublin club football especially with parnells who have massive amounts of players from outside dublin

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 14/12/2012 17:12:24    1310611

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 831

CBig clubs are poaching players for donkeys years but you chose to ignore that you're most likely not heavily involved in the club scene. It only others you when its intercounty and it makes the papers.

This is the only part of your post I feel the need to comment on. It bothers me every time I hear about. Whether its a Dub or Lilly. It makes no difference to me. Because its happening to your county you are taking it personally and are finding very hard to look on it objectively. I understand that so I'm going to leave the SJ affair to one side for now.

Regarding this Mulligan episode, if it is true, do you agree with him and think that it is right for him to transfer to a club and a county in which he neither lives nor works - allegedly...and is it right for the club/county to poach him if that is what happened?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/12/2012 20:12:02    1310669

its probably not true as there has been talk of him going to a club in longford for the past 2-3 years and nothing happened

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 14/12/2012 20:17:58    1310670

ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 2131

1310611 to be fair culann the problem is far worse in dublin club football especially with parnells who have massive amounts of players from outside dublin

I know that and think it is disgraceful. The same with Na Fianna the year they got to the All Ireland final. Crokes and Ballyboden are also guilty of it. I said above I didn't agree with it happening anywhere. You might have missed out on that because some Cill Dara lad implied that it wouldn't bother me if it happened in my own county. They were wrong!

Regarding the Thomkins thing, I will happily stand corrected Cill Dara posters if I'm wrong. But a lot of crap on this site is posted as ''fact'' so I'll check it out before I stand corrected. I will not take your word for it if thats ok.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/12/2012 20:18:36    1310671