http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/1128/1224327206339.html


any opinions dublin posters?..didnt realise you were all middle class!

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 29/11/2012 15:25:48    1304409

Excuse me....

I'm upper middle class thank you very much...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2012 15:39:19    1304424

There'll be no middleclass of any description after the budget ! Just the very rich....and the very poor !

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1730 - 29/11/2012 15:56:16    1304435

Well we already know that snuffy has certain upper middle class leanings what with the premium level seats and the ritual throwing of the crab claws.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 29/11/2012 15:56:24    1304436

Can you be from dublin and still be middle class?

bobjaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 29/11/2012 15:58:28    1304438

Ratherrrrrrr : )

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 29/11/2012 16:11:25    1304445

It's an interesting point, very well made. I can see why everyone telling jokes though.

The last thing a forum like this needs is some sort of serious discussion on class.

Good subject for a column, not for an online forum and definitely not for me.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 29/11/2012 16:22:40    1304449

Joking aside.....

Excuse me (again)

I'm very much upper on the scale of middle...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/11/2012 16:42:43    1304468

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 9986

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Joking aside.....

Excuse me (again)

I'm very much upper on the scale of middle...



Thought them towers were knocked down ????

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1730 - 29/11/2012 16:50:05    1304474

ballymun might be a lower class area in dublin but the club ballymun kickhams would not be deemed lower class in terms of other clubs in dublin it has the best of facilites it had first all weather pitch on northside of dublin it has made plenty of money from that pitch having had dublin teams of all ages train there and had other clubs rent the pitch for training.cabra again would be deemed a poor area but has a massive gaa tradition in naomh fionbarra,parnells is very simliar again the area its in is coolock remember again an area with a heavy reputation.tallaght would be alower class area also yet it has a strong gaa representatives in thomas davis,st marks,st kevins and st annes,while finglas another area of lower class has a very strong club in erins isle.i think th realy only area in dublin they are missing out on is the inner city but due to the multy cultural backrounds of people living there its no surprise and the lack of actual playing facilties.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 16:52:56    1304476

bobjaffacake
County: Meath
Posts: 895

1304438 Can you be from dublin and still be middle class?

Think most of them moved to meath to help your football clubs.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 29/11/2012 17:29:01    1304517

AthCliath
County: Dublin
Posts: 1240

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bobjaffacake
County: Meath
Posts: 895

1304438 Can you be from dublin and still be middle class?

Think most of them moved to meath to help your football clubs.

Yeh its interesting that Meath haven't won an All Ireland since all the Dubs moved down during the boom. I think you will find they are more of a hindrance than a help:)

ClassApart (Meath) - Posts: 1200 - 29/11/2012 18:50:36    1304557

From the article ".....former Dublin manager and captain Tom Carr, also a former Ballymun player, was asked to what extent the GAA targeted the areas, like the high rises.

"It didn't," he replied, "and the GAA still doesn't. To an extent the GAA has given up on those areas and those areas don't see themselves as GAA; they see themselves as soccer. In my time there were doctors, guards and teachers. That's what made up the team I played on."

First of all Ballymun Kickhams is based in Collinstown NOT the Ballymun of "commitments fame". Its in a semi rural part of North County Dublin beside the Airport. Second of all they don't offer famillies much of what they need, famillies to get them into a club you have to offer the boys and the girls everything. It is still essentially a Mens/Male Football club, girls and hurlers head off to Na Fianna.

Ballymun Kickhams have done fantastically well through the years with my relations (including my brother) all playing there. They are a serious football club with a great juvenile setup, it rivals soccer academies or rugby ones for its coaching excellence. The most talented footballers I have ever seen are the Feile winning team of 2011 - unbelieviably talented. But they do what they do well and serve who they serve really well.

But the only "High Rise" Ballymun GAA club is Setanta - the hurling/camogie only club. As for working class GAA clubs, don't understand that term "working class" if you mean clubs operating in area's were there is some deprivation and disadvantage well most "Dublin" clubs have these in their cachment, Naomh Barrog, O'Toole's, Parnell's, Erin's Isle, Whitehall, Na Fianna, Good Council, Fionnbarrs it goes on and on some more so than others.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 29/11/2012 21:26:14    1304646

Arock Na Fianna on the mobi road is a working class club, are you serious?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/11/2012 21:39:45    1304651

na fianna is glasnevin that aint a working class area haha
same with naomh barrog there a fairly wealthy club and dont actualy get their pick from kilbarrack more bayside.
st monicas would be the working class from edenmore.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 21:53:21    1304659

The GAA in Dublin, as well as the rest of country, is a mainly middle class pursuit.

That doesn't mean that there aren't clubs in working class areas that do great work in their communities country wide. The middle classes are huge now and therefore the GAA, as a the biggest sporting institution in Ireland should and does reflect that.

I'm a working class boy though I've probably moved slightly above my station as an adult but no matter what some things don't change!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 30/11/2012 09:57:07    1304691

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3019
I didn't say Na Fianna was a working class club - some of its cachement area most certainly. Some of its membership comes from that, but broadly speaking by no stretch of the imagination is Na Fianna a workign class club.

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 3212

I would have to disagree with you on Naomh Barrog, yes Raheny, Edenmore, but you do have to include Donaghmeade. Again I did not say Na Fianna in leafy Glasnevin was a working class club. No more than Ballymun Kickhams are.

Point being in Dublin - especially on the Northside, unless you are familar with the patchwork inter-locking estates, you can't assume anything.

Disadvantaged kids are not likely to be involved in any sport, they simply can't afford it, be they living in a city area or in a cosy rural townland.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 30/11/2012 10:41:04    1304708

The Ballymun team that won the AI Feile in 2011 had lots of kids from working class estates. Tommy Carr seemed to be saying that the GAA clubs don't go into working class areas. It may have been like that years ago but now Kickhams certainly do go in and seek out these kids. That Feile team had lots of kids from perceived soccer areas. While most of these kids play or have played soccer, their first sport is now GAA. While it looks like they will lose one of these kids to English football, the hopes in Ballymun are that all these 20 or so kids will go on and play adult football for Ballymun Kickhams. And its the same with the teams coming after them. Clubs have to go out there and promote their game. There is even a rugby club in Ballymun now. If clubs stand still, they'll lose out.

Drummerboy (Dublin) - Posts: 85 - 30/11/2012 11:09:46    1304725

Arock

Donaghmede isn't working class like ballymun edenmore tallaght or these places

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/11/2012 11:36:00    1304736

Round towers Clondalkin has the biggest working class areas in the whole of Dublin for gods sake and you put up Na Fianna. Every club in Dublin has a working class catchment area

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/11/2012 12:58:27    1304781