ffgg

seems most agree with me so are they all going to get the labelling treatment too?
rte coverage needs to improve i agree but the head of sport is a rugby man and commentates on the rugby games so its not going to change with a bias head of sport,it should be an independant head of sport which can look at its programming objectivly.i still feel a gaa channel would be a real option it would get massive viewership in ireland allowing to scheadule matches for supporters and not when rte or tv3 dictates,would also be able to have longer highlights programmes and also could(i know you want this bit so bad)allow people view the games abroad its a win win situation.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/11/2012 12:45:54    1302484

Just to add hill

Our occupiers and planetrs had the aim of eroding our language, culture and way of life when they came to Ireland and they looked down condescendingly on our ways. Its amazing that's it's the Irish themselves who now look down on Irish customs , traditions and ways of life.

We cover this up by saying we have become more confident and modern as a people. I argue this. I think we have become less confident and ashamed in whats our and substitute this by adopting Armerican and especially British things as ours.

Why are Irish people so ashamed of whats theirs. Why do we crave to share in in things British and American? Can any one out there answer this for me?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 13:59:06    1302509

Culann
County: Dublin
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1302509
Just to add hill

Our occupiers and planetrs had the aim of eroding our language, culture and way of life when they came to Ireland and they looked down condescendingly on our ways. Its amazing that's it's the Irish themselves who now look down on Irish customs , traditions and ways of life.

We cover this up by saying we have become more confident and modern as a people. I argue this. I think we have become less confident and ashamed in whats our and substitute this by adopting Armerican and especially British things as ours.

Why are Irish people so ashamed of whats theirs. Why do we crave to share in in things British and American? Can any one out there answer this for me?

i agree 100% its a shame the way the country is going.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/11/2012 14:58:36    1302527

yeah the head being a rugby man doesnt exactly help..you need to get over the brits lad its in the past move on...what are irish people ashamed of culann?...how has a discussion on gaa being shown abroad and putting a match abroad turned into a discussion about how irish people are ashamed?..your entitled to your opinions lads but its hilarious listening to the two of you....why are you so against irish emigrants being able to view the gaa abroad hill?..have you no family living outside this country due to lack of work?..like i said sky showed gaa highlights in the past i am happy for the game to grow maybe you prefer ireland and the gaa to be isolationist i dont as its not the 1930s anymore...you really dont seem to like american and british cultures do you hill?..its great to see the gaa growing in mainland europe

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 16:28:03    1302577

I wouldn't be disagreeing with anything that Culann or hill16 are saying, however, it is called globalization and it is not just confined to Ireland, I mean it is fairly common to see American tv shows in Spain etc.

What I cannot understand is how we have managed to go from talking about having ONE league football/hurling final being played in New York to commemorate the centenary of the GAA there, to talking about Sky TV and loss of cultural identity!!

Com on lads!!!!

irishstew (Sligo) - Posts: 172 - 25/11/2012 16:28:37    1302578

yeah lads have you not heard of globalization at all?...there are americans influences all over the world...a small country like ours which also happens to a relatively new state was always gonna be heavily influenced by outside influence

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 16:33:24    1302582

what are irish people ashamed of culann?...how has a discussion on gaa being shown abroad and putting a match abroad turned into a discussion about how irish people are ashamed?..your entitled to your opinions lads but its hilarious listening to the two of you

Their culture. Whats theirs. Their language. Their soccer leagues. Their sports. Their dance. Their singing. Their storytelling. What was once their way of life.

There is nothing funny about this. We are nearly 100% a mini Britain/ America. When things which make Irish different from other nations are gone there is no getting them back. But, if thats the way Irish people want our society to be like well fair enough, but its not for me thank. I speak Irish, I like traditional Irish music, I like Irish games, I like Irish dance. I am a small minority in Ireland.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 17:04:18    1302600

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1302600 what are irish people ashamed of culann?...how has a discussion on gaa being shown abroad and putting a match abroad turned into a discussion about how irish people are ashamed?..your entitled to your opinions lads but its hilarious listening to the two of you

Their culture. Whats theirs. Their language. Their soccer leagues. Their sports. Their dance. Their singing. Their storytelling. What was once their way of life.

There is nothing funny about this. We are nearly 100% a mini Britain/ America. When things which make Irish different from other nations are gone there is no getting them back. But, if thats the way Irish people want our society to be like well fair enough, but its not for me thank. I speak Irish, I like traditional Irish music, I like Irish games, I like Irish dance. I am a small minority in Ireland.

il have a piece of that pie culann im right behind you on this one buddy :-)

dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 25/11/2012 17:10:46    1302603

i never realised irish people were ashamed of the gaa..what language are you speaking on here culann?..plenty of people like irish traditional music your not a fan of all this new music culann no?..its called globalization culann people can watch or get into stuff which could be from any part of the world..people arent all going to like the same things...how is this relevant to the thread though?..thats what i find funny..in your opinion we are a mini britain/america...i hope you realise people do this all over the world and listen or follow things which are not their own so its not exactly as if the irish are the only ones

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 17:41:41    1302618

i never realised irish people were ashamed of the gaa

I never said that but seeing you mention it yes there are Irish people who are ashamed of the GAA and who care about its importance in Irish society

..what language are you speaking on here culann?

Irish languge. Is that not clear. I take it from the tone thats coming accross to me that you do not see Irish as your language. If thats so thats fair enough but Irish is the language of Ireland.

..plenty of people like irish traditional music your not a fan of all this new music culann no?

Irish people belittl their own music and call it diddle-di-i and other things like that. I'm not much different from people from countires othe than Britain and America. I'm a fan of my countries music. To be honest I wouldn't realy call myself a fan of whats known as 'contempory' (meaning British or American popular music - not the contempory music of other countries). I'm more of Luke Kelly, Paul Brady, Planxty, Delores Keane, Seán Keane, Darach Ó Catháin, John Beag and other ballad singers man.

..its called globalization culann people can watch or get into stuff which could be from any part of the world

I'm not talking here about globalisation. I am talking about the similarities between how Irish people today threat things uniquely Irish and how the British threated them when they did what they did to us. Callung it globalisation is just a cop out in my opinion. Dress it up what ever way you like. Its just a sign of being in denial. As I said above if thats what Irish people want so be it...but I'm going to continue to be a minority in Ireland and give preference to things Irish.

..people arent all going to like the same things...how is this relevant to the thread though?

Read back. Some seafóid to with Sky was it not? I'm responding to your post so I cannot look back. I know that this topic came about as a result of this discussion. Just read back and you'll see.

..thats what i find funny..in your opinion we are a mini britain/america...i hope you realise people do this all over the world and listen or follow things which are not their own so its not exactly as if the irish are the only ones

Again. Thats just dressing it up. Irish people are abandoning their culture, language and traditions willy nilly. As I said before when its gone its gone and there is no getting it back.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 18:02:10    1302627

you said irish people were ashmed of their sport is gaa not this?..your speaking english on here culann what are you on about?...english and irish are irelands two languages with english being the most widely spoken unfortunately..how is it my tone you are using english words speaking the english language its just stating the obvious more than anything...im not really a fan of the ballads myself just was never into it...in your opinion its a cop out yes in mine and the other lad who posted here its not...ill give preference to what i like i feel nationality should not have a whole lot to do with it..well the sky thing was more to do with gaa coverage being available in other countries i dont know how that is relevant to you going on a rant about irish people?..again you just call it a cop out i do not its called globalization if you were to be more specific in your points i could perhaps see your reasoning using examples etc...i dont think following different things makes anybody less irish or more irish although i do agree with you in that there is certain elements of irish society who are very anti the gaa but they are a small minority and generally from certain parts of dublin and garrison towns

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 18:15:13    1302633

Culann
County: Dublin
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1302509
Just to add hill

Our occupiers and planetrs had the aim of eroding our language, culture and way of life when they came to Ireland and they looked down condescendingly on our ways. Its amazing that's it's the Irish themselves who now look down on Irish customs , traditions and ways of life.

We cover this up by saying we have become more confident and modern as a people. I argue this. I think we have become less confident and ashamed in whats our and substitute this by adopting Armerican and especially British things as ours.

Why are Irish people so ashamed of whats theirs. Why do we crave to share in in things British and American? Can any one out there answer this for me?


Oh for the love of....

Welcome to the global village, man! Quit cribbing and wise up. Ok 90% of US and UK "culture" is utter dirge, like any culture. But they've given us some good stuff, a lot of which our diaspora contributed to. Why not give a little back? Let the Yanks have the NL finals. You can bet that when they role around everyone but the counties involved will be whinging about having to feign interest and there'll be uproar cos the Cork fans didn't bother to show up again.

BTW... Did no one tell you this is a GAA forum? No culture or politics allowed. I got censored for using the name d* V****a recently.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 25/11/2012 18:40:34    1302649

o neill seems to be taking this game abroad thing pretty seriously

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 18:40:50    1302650

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1302633 you said irish people were ashmed of their sport is gaa not this?

Irish soccer is one example. Our own sports are not given their rightful place and coverage in Irish media and yes there are Irish people out there that think gaelic games are 'culchie and bogger' sports and look down on them. The media's attitude towards gaelic games suggest to me that there is a lack of confidence or a shame from within the media towards our gaelic games. If they feel English soccer is more important well doesn;t that say it all. English soccer is the best supported sport in Ireland in nearly every county i'd say. Thats sad for a 'A New Modern and Independent Country' as the 26 counties is often referred as. Very sad, indeed. Whats even sadder however, is that people couldn't care less.

..your speaking english on here culann what are you on about?

An awful lot of Irish posters on this site gave off to me for posting and starting thread as Gaeilge on this site. This eventually resulted in Hogan Stand telling me to cut back on the amount of threads I started as Gaeilge. Imagine that. Only in Ireland!!

...english and irish are irelands two languages with english being the most widely spoken unfortunately

English is Englands language which was forced on the Irish people. Irish is Irelands language. We go mad when the English claim the likes of Katie Talor yet we claim their language to be our own and call their soccer teams 'us' and 'we'. Engish is the language spoken by the majority in Ireland. True. However, Irish is our language but, alas, has not much time left on this earth because we, the Irish people, have rejected it adn continue to do so.

Now, a few questions for you. Do you think Irish people respect and cherish things uniquely Irish or even care about them - and to what level? How would you differenciate between English people and Irish people apart from place of birth?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 18:41:11    1302651

well irish soccer is very poor thats probably why..most leagues in europe are struggling and look up to the likes of england germany spain and italy...yes i do thing irish people care a great deal about irish things especially the gaa..gaa is the best supported sport in ireland culann in every county club football although often unnoticed is massive eveywhere and i dont know how you can compare that to people watching sport on tv.....i have spent my whole life in ireland culann there is plenty of differences between somebody who is irish and english.....how are americans different to english..portugese to brazillian?..spanish to most countries in south america?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 18:50:48    1302659

i think your issue in relation to the language question should be more with those who decided to stop teaching it instead of irish people now

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 19:09:17    1302670

well irish soccer is very poor thats probably why..most leagues in europe are struggling and look up to the likes of england germany spain and italy...yes i do thing irish people care a great deal about irish things especially the gaa..gaa is the best supported sport in ireland culann in every county club football although often unnoticed is massive eveywhere and i dont know how you can compare that to people watching sport on tv.....i have spent my whole life in ireland culann there is plenty of differences between somebody who is irish and english.....how are americans different to english..portugese to brazillian?..spanish to most countries in south america?
ffgg , 25/11/2012 at 18:50

Absolue waffle. Thats not the way it in the real world. You are just one of the overwhelming majority who isn't realising whats going on here. As I said if you want to substitute whats uniquely Irish for whats British and American then go for it. Thats your choice and you are entitled to follow or do what you want. But Irishness is a dying greed and when its gone its gone.

I cannot believe you can not tell me one difference between British people and Irish people apart from place of birth. Not one example did you give me.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 19:12:02    1302674

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Oh for the love of....

Welcome to the global village, man! Quit cribbing and wise up. Ok 90% of US and UK "culture" is utter dirge, like any culture. But they've given us some good stuff, a lot of which our diaspora contributed to. Why not give a little back? Let the Yanks have the NL finals. You can bet that when they role around everyone but the counties involved will be whinging about having to feign interest and there'll be uproar cos the Cork fans didn't bother to show up again.

BTW... Did no one tell you this is a GAA forum? No culture or politics allowed. I got censored for using the name d* V****a recently.

Why do Irish people insist on using the globalisation card when people questionn their lack of interest in their culture?

By the way, I'm not talking politics. I am talking about society in Ireland something which the GAA is central to.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/11/2012 19:14:37    1302676

again dismissing points i asked you about the difference between americans and british spanish and south americans brazillain and portugese answer me?...its not just language..ireland and britain are different countries its not just about language...whats the difference between any people if you are going to discount people spending their whole lives in one country as the most blatant difference...irish slang obviously another one ..you tell me the difference?...gaa obviously is one very notable example...its called globalization again wake up...whats this about trying to be more irish than others and dismiss others as being less irish?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 19:19:49    1302680

show some respect culann please

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/11/2012 19:20:14    1302682