if_in_doubt

i dont see why not if they want to use the gaa well then should they really get the allowances im sure you have to sign something to recieve these allownces so should it not be factored in to prevent the gaa from lossing its prized assets

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 16:56:38    1304481

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austrailia is a good market yes hill although not as big as america and possibly canada.....in relation to the transfers the gaa would probably have to be professional as the players would have to have contracts and that which dont allow them to play other sports...its great being amateur but there is the odd negative effect of it

i think america as other posters have pointed out have gone about gaa the wrong way by buying players and seriously damaging the amature status how many inter county players have we seen like dessie dolan or gary connaughton or seanie johnston in the past as soon as they were knocked out of provincial championship leave for america to get paid to play over there for the rest of the summer.i feel at least australians themselves would relate more to the gaa theres a huge irish contigent out there and the fact we play them in international rules that means they already know we play a game along the same lines so it would attract a far bigger local attendance then america.
id like to know do players have to sign something to recieve their grants and allowances im sure they must so there could be the main chance to enter in a clasue to the form.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 17:01:04    1304489

more irish in america although its massively growing in australia..america bigger tv market is the thing though..and they like the whole idea of being irish thing..austrailians arent fans of the irish

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 29/11/2012 17:18:36    1304507

Yes I think America would be abetter choice than Oz. Having been involved in the tourist industry for many years most Americans I met latched on to the fact that they were 1/8, 1/4 or 1/2 Irish. We'r not exactly the Australian's favourite people. Think of all the Irish descendents in New York alone, never mind in the States as a whole. I think if the GAA really worked hard at it and tried to promote the League Final in the States via the media, than it would open a lot of Americans eye's to the sport being played in the country of their ancestors, and they love that sh*t. The same goes for hurling.

pati (Meath) - Posts: 80 - 29/11/2012 19:08:24    1304568

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more irish in america although its massively growing in australia..america bigger tv market is the thing though..and they like the whole idea of being irish thing..austrailians arent fans of the irish

yeah but for a one off game you would have abigger crowd if you played it in australia then in america as theres already a championship match played there and there is no crowd for it,where as australian rules is a massive attended sport in australia which would bring a big crossover of supporters who would be curious to see a gaa match.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 21:46:32    1304655

pati

but theres already a championship match and those who claim to be anyway irish dont bother going and that match actualy represents new york.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2012 21:48:04    1304657

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but theres already a championship match and those who claim to be anyway irish dont bother going and that match actualy represents new york.

You have made that point four or five times but no one has responded to it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 30/11/2012 10:00:13    1304692

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Hahahaha I know eventually they might

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/11/2012 11:44:49    1304744

i know what you mean hill but that game is not 50-50 everybody knows new york are going to get hammered by 20 points or more...there is no hype or promotion for it..austrailians are not fans of the irish...americans are...anybody who has been out there or knows the situation in austrailia could tell you that....and by the way i responded to it ages ago saying the same thing that everybody knows they were going to get hammered

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 30/11/2012 15:12:13    1304854

its all just opinions anyway on which country would be more suited but the gaa obviously feel america is

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 30/11/2012 15:17:47    1304859

Maybe no one goes to the game because they don't know about it. It's hard to attend something when you don't know it's even taking place. You missed my point in the last comment saying that the GAA should put their head down and really try promote the league final, between the two best teams in the country and a mediocre New York team vs another mediocre team. They should really try push it by avertising it well in advance, trying to get on some bigger tv stations.

pati (Meath) - Posts: 80 - 30/11/2012 15:55:49    1304881

ffgg,austrailians are not fans of the irish.

Can't say I blame them if half the stories coming out of Australia of the drunken Irish loutish behaviour are true.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3028 - 30/11/2012 16:49:43    1304904

yeah in places like perth especially they are meant to be despised

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 30/11/2012 16:52:43    1304907

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hill16no1man
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pati

but theres already a championship match and those who claim to be anyway irish dont bother going and that match actualy represents new york.

You have made that point four or five times but no one has responded to it.

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Hahahaha I know eventually they might

Ah now it's hardly a surprise that not many of them bother going to see New York in the championship, let's be honest it's just a different team from Connacht going over to beat them year in year out. No big marketing campaign can attract fans to that, it's a match just more of a formality than anything else.

Playing the league finals over there would be a different game of ball altogether, sending some of the best teams in the country to play a match of that profile would be a much bigger event than New York playing their one annual championship match, the championship being more important than the league wouldn't matter much at all.

More Irish people travel across to Britain each weekend for a football match than go to matches in the domestic league here.

More Irish people went to Navy - Notre Dame match than go to matches in the Irish-American Football League.

More people went to the Rams - Patriots match in Wembley a few weeks ago than go to British-American Football matches on an annual basis.

Going by your argument though the local teams, like New York in GAA should all be better supported, but they're not. Call people event junkies or whatever, but the facts are that the better promoted product, with the higher standard game will win out.

Bigger events, bigger marketing campaigns, and bigger teams all help draw bigger attendances.

To the average Irish person in the States, New York's sole championship match would mean very little. However bringing over the best teams in the country, early in the year with silverware at stake, would, along with proper marketing and promotion draw a bigger crowd and attract a lot more media attention.

It would be more of a showpiece than a championship match in which everybody already knows what team will win.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 30/11/2012 18:14:41    1304942

THANK YOU if_in_doubt. My point exactly, just better-worded on your behalf. I thought I was going mad there for a second thinking that no one could see the difference between sending (e.g.) Donegal and Mayo over to play, vs sending a weaker team over to play New York.

pati (Meath) - Posts: 80 - 30/11/2012 18:29:19    1304950

well its more common sense than anything its like comparing a wigan v bradford to man utd v liverpool in terms of gaa

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 30/11/2012 18:32:32    1304953

I think why the GAA want to bring the league finals to the US really has nothing to do with the big teams in the big Irish American cities. It has everything to do with the fact that there is huge interest all across the US in Gaelic games, and especially hurling from not just Irish Americans but Americans with no Irish connections. There are teams starting up almost on a weekly basis now all over the US. You have teams now in obscure places like Little Rock Arkansas, Pocatello Idaho, Orlando Florida, Austin Texas, Minneapolis Minnesota and on and on. There is a new Collegiate league for hurling with teams from Universities like Stanford, Berkley, Univ. of Indianapolis, University of Colorado etc. Milwakee Hurling club uses more hurleys than any other team in the WORLD. These are teams that are dominated by AMERICAN players with a handful of Irish helping the teams grow but the grunt work and fund raising is done by Americans who actually get the job done. The quality right now may not be the best but it is getting better. Recent visits by Senior GAA officials to the US has finally opened Croke Parks eyes as to what is happening over here. It has nothing to do with players coming over here for the summer. Those days are fading thankfully and the future of Gaelic Games in this country rests entirely with the AMERICAN BORN PLAYERS. That is why they want the exposure of the National League Finals in the US. The Americans are attracted to our games because of the Physicallity, High Scoring and Speed, that is what they seek in sports here. And the word is spreading like wildfire!

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 30/11/2012 18:50:43    1304955

but your missing the point the gaa do not market the championship here our own media refuse to give the gaa the coverage they deserve for being the main sport of choice in ireland why would you expect a foreign country to do what our own country do not and promote this game in their media?
the other matches you named if in doubt are all professional sports with big money advertising campaigns backing them the gaa will not throw big money at advertising so i cannot see how it will pull in a big crowd,also what does gaelic park actualy hold ? is it the biggest gaa stadium over in ameirca?
if its under 10 thousand it would mean the gaa would have to rent a stadium with big enough pitch dimensions and that could present another big problem in finding one,also the financial cost of renting that stadium would have to be taken into a coount against the amount of people they would expect to actually turn up.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/11/2012 19:18:47    1304973

i hope you realise the whole point of staging a game over there is that they are going to market it properly

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 30/11/2012 19:31:53    1304979

and what do you think that means market it properally,
buy a few bill boards or a one add a day on a local radio station becuase they refuse to market the games properally here where they have a huge target audience.
would it not make hugely more sense financialy to market the league final properally here in ireland where you are guarnateed to get a big attendance if marketed correctly where as its a huge question mark over how it will work out in america.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/11/2012 19:40:10    1304987