16/01/2013 14:54:48
ffgg
County: Longford
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analyser you accuse me of simplistic analysis cause i said mayo simply have an easier route to others due to connaught being a weak province yet u bring up tests they received in their province whilst also ignoring all the tests dublin have received in leinster?....mayo raised their game when they came out of the province..of course it matters what happened sligo and roscommon after as it shows the level of side they are...fair play to them for putting it up to mayo but there is no doubt conaught is the easiest route to the quarters or 4th round of the qualifiers when you consider mayo played new york and leitrim to get to a provincial final?

You did use simplistic analysis. Most years Dublin have steamroll through Leinster. After last years struggle v Meath and indeed v Laois it was clear Dublin were going to taken out sooner or later. Easiest route to the quarters or 4th round? that's open to debate i seem to remember Down had a handy route and if you are lucky enough to avoid Kerry,Cork you could find yourself in a Munster final.

People can talk all they like about how weak Connacht currently is however over the last decade Connacht is the most competitive province in Ireland it isn't easy or simple to win and whoever wins it in 2013 will come out a better team.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4320 - 16/01/2013 17:34:17    1319298

Sligo have won 3 Connacht titles Leitrim 2. TBH if Longford were playing in Connacht their stats wouldn't be much better than theirs.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3878 - 16/01/2013 17:42:32    1319307

Don't make me laugh ispeakwisdom……….good lad you're going back to when a certain A. Hitler was in power for your last AI victory, pull yourself out of the dark ages man. 1944 since your last AI Title is your argument to prove how strong football in your county is …..haha give me a break. If Longford, or Cavan for that matter, played in Connacht all those decades, they'd have won as much provincially as Roscommon. For a division 3 team your delusions of grandeur are frightening.

Connacht is easy; a bunch of average teams playing each other does not a good competition make. A few division 3 and 4 teams, along with Galway and Mayo; beat Leitrim to reach a provincial final and guaranteed last 12in the All Ireland race!! The record of Connacht teams against teams from other provinces in the AI football Final and the back-door system bears testament to this!

Yes Munster is probably nearly as weak as Connacht, but the difference is Munster has always provided two of the top teams in this country, that have done it on the big day against all comers for every part of the island. Football is so strong in Cork and Kerry that they would always dine at the top table no matter what province they played in, the same cannot be said for Galway and Mayo, the record books don't lie.

Btw I'm fairly confident I've been following football in this country a lot longer than you son!

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 16/01/2013 17:42:59    1319308

its the easier route for a top level team is all i side analyser again your getting bogged down in bias cause you are from connaught..when have dublin steamrolled through leinster?..they have had difficult tests most years such as kildare year before last meath this year wexford this year and meath a year or 2 before that so i dont exactly know what your saying..please argue objectively...connaught has had a variety of winners not due to quality but due to mayo and galway not been great sides recently until mayo now...explain connaught sides poor records outside the province if the quality was high?..mayo played 1 match to get to a provincial final which gurantees 4th round of qualifiers..at least cork and kerry have consistently shown they would win no matter where they were playing...connaught teams also get to play london or new york which can get them a provincial semi..in no other province is this the case...please argue objectively instead of showing a bias to one province..connaught is evidently the lowest standard of the provinces both through lack of teams and quality of teams

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 17:43:21    1319309

so dublin got knocked out because they got tough games in leinster this year?...did you not see the leinster final last year when they barely beat wexford then won sam??..and you accuse me of simplistic analysis????

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 17:44:18    1319311

my post did not come through for some reason..having a variety of winners does not make a province anything special it generally means it lacks a dominant or top level side which connaught has lacked for a few years till now..dublin have received numerous tests in leinster are you going to continue to ignore this?..be objective..cork and kerry would win no matter where the province was..they have showed this on an all ireland basis for decades..i said connaught is the easiest route of the 4 to get to quarter final or 4th round of qualifiers yes due to least number of games and poor standard of teams..am i wrong?..mayo played leitrim last year to get to final..in otherwards they played a div 4 side to gurantee them a 4th round qualifier meanwhile my own county had to play laois wexford twice and derry before eventually losing to limerick in extra time which would have only got them into the 3rd round of the qualifiers

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 17:55:56    1319320

One of the great mysteries in the game today is how come sligo cannot perform outside connaght. They are a very good side. They managed it once against kerry in the qualifiers, probably the fact that there was no expectation had a role to play, but they just seem to come apart at the seams on every other occasion. Final aside, they came the closest to beating mayo last year. I would like to see them do themselves justice once connaght is finished. I think ffgg could get a surprise if they were to join connaght and they drew sligo away in the first round

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/01/2013 17:57:39    1319321

*when referencing Cavan above, I'm referring to Cavan of the last 40 odd years, don't want to offend any Breffni fans of course!!

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 16/01/2013 17:59:01    1319323

16/01/2013 17:42:59
LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
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Don't make me laugh ispeakwisdom……….good lad you're going back to when a certain A. Hitler was in power for your last AI victory, pull yourself out of the dark ages man. 1944 since your last AI Title is your argument to prove how strong football in your county is …..haha give me a break.

You do know Mayo's last All Ireland was in 1951 right?

If Longford, or Cavan for that matter, played in Connacht all those decades, they'd have won as much provincially as Roscommon. For a division 3 team your delusions of grandeur are frightening.

You do know we weren't always a Div 3 team in 2002 we were top of the div 1 table. Longford no Cavan maybe as like ourselves the have some good tradition.

Connacht is easy; a bunch of average teams playing each other does not a good competition make. A few division 3 and 4 teams, along with Galway and Mayo; beat Leitrim to reach a provincial final and guaranteed last 12in the All Ireland race!! The record of Connacht teams against teams from other provinces in the AI football Final and the back-door system bears testament to this!

Again did you just start following football the last decade or so?

Yes Munster is probably nearly as weak as Connacht, but the difference is Munster has always provided two of the top teams in this country, that have done it on the big day against all comers for every part of the island. Football is so strong in Cork and Kerry that they would always dine at the top table no matter what province they played in, the same cannot be said for Galway and Mayo, the record books don't lie.

Don't know about that i think Galway of the 60s early 00s would have strolled through some provinces same can be said Mayo.



Btw I'm fairly confident I've been following football in this country a lot longer than you son!

First off i'm not your son probably old enough to be your grandad. regardless you need to read up on the history of football before posting on here.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 16/01/2013 18:06:08    1319327

FFGG i never said once Connacht's quality is currently high i said it's competitive ( a big difference) and it's not simple to win like you and others think it is.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4320 - 16/01/2013 18:11:56    1319333

16/01/2013 17:57:39
TheMaster
County: Mayo
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One of the great mysteries in the game today is how come sligo cannot perform outside connaght. They are a very good side. They managed it once against kerry in the qualifiers, probably the fact that there was no expectation had a role to play, but they just seem to come apart at the seams on every other occasion. Final aside, they came the closest to beating mayo last year. I would like to see them do themselves justice once connaght is finished. I think ffgg could get a surprise if they were to join connaght and they drew sligo away in the first round

True and for the team they had over the last 15 years or so they should have won more than just one Connacht title. When Armagh won the All Ireland Sligo were every bit as good as them the win v Tyrone in the QF is probably still their best win to date.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4320 - 16/01/2013 18:16:41    1319337

i said it was the easiest of the 4 to win or reach 4th round of qualifiers which it is...i dont see how thats a particularly controversial or offensive statement..talking about roscommon and cavan tradition in the 40s or whatever is really clutching at straws..roscommon had a good team in the early 2000s but have been pretty ordinary ever since..they perhaps could have got even more out of that team

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 18:18:03    1319338

sligo arent a bad side no or on their day they certainly have shown they could raise their game..as a matter of interest i know its only league but we visited sligo last season and it was a beatdown

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 18:19:10    1319339

Roscommon.....traditional county going through a dark period granted but nobody (not even me) can question there tradition, two in a row in the forties, very unlucky not to gain one in 70/80s, produced some marvellous footballers such as tony mac, d.Early, h.keegen,p.lydsey.e.Gavin to name a few. 14/15 all stars and some great underage success at minor and 21 level.


Mayo.....fine tradition, 3 sams, 11 div 1 titles (six in a row in 30s) two millenium team members, 45 nestors, over 25 all stars, 4 21 and 6 minor, fine pedigree of footballer and always has been.


Galway....tradition second to Kerry only imo, absolute masters of the natural game, beautuful footballers and nine all Irelands etc etc


Connacht has plenty of tradition, so just put that absolute nonsense argument to bed.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 16/01/2013 18:25:35    1319345

i dont see how galways tradition is second to kerry as dublin are more successful but i was a big fan of those galway teams late 90s early 2000s.hopefully they can return to that level its amazing to see how poorly galway have failed to adapt to modern football and tactics

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 18:40:55    1319354

Yewtree it's the we were hard done by thing by alot of posters on hear and a awful lot of former players one mr mchale in particular that gets to me
Even you mentioned that the only time you weren't second best was in 96, what a load of gibberish. The facts are meath played way below their potential in both of those games and were the rightful winners of all ire that year, we played below our ability and mayo played above thiers. FACT. . The sendings off had similar effect on both teams, the drawn match coyle was one who got levelling point for us, but in many mayo people's view (not all by any means) Liam was more important, again hogwash, i mean has he ever done a interview where he didn't mention it? And before you start i was in Hogan for drawn match and the hill for replay so im not some kid, actually my wife was due our second child on day of replay but Lukily she went over by a week. Mayo need to grow a pair stop with the whingeing and move on the oh we was robbed attitude is getting tiring. Btw look at some of the meath player's in that game, odowd., the player on millennium team Martin O'Connell, geraghty., giles., Fay, mcdermott, I'd be happy saying my county drew with them and narrowly lost replay than pretending the airy fairy we were better team. My eye were you

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/01/2013 19:15:16    1319377

I don't care who wins Sam 2013 as long as it isn't Cork, Dublin or Kerry!

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 802 - 16/01/2013 19:54:11    1319398

royaldunne
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Yewtree it's the we were hard done by thing by alot of posters on hear and a awful lot of former players one mr mchale in particular that gets to me
Even you mentioned that the only time you weren't second best was in 96, what a load of gibberish. The facts are meath played way below their potential in both of those games and were the rightful winners of all ire that year, we played below our ability and mayo played above thiers. FACT. . The sendings off had similar effect on both teams, the drawn match coyle was one who got levelling point for us, but in many mayo people's view (not all by any means) Liam was more important, again hogwash, i mean has he ever done a interview where he didn't mention it? And before you start i was in Hogan for drawn match and the hill for replay so im not some kid, actually my wife was due our second child on day of replay but Lukily she went over by a week. Mayo need to grow a pair stop with the whingeing and move on the oh we was robbed attitude is getting tiring. Btw look at some of the meath player's in that game, odowd., the player on millennium team Martin O'Connell, geraghty., giles., Fay, mcdermott, I'd be happy saying my county drew with them and narrowly lost replay than pretending the airy fairy we were better team. My eye were you


Rubbish rubbish rubbish, Mayo left that one behind and i'm not backing down on that one. Who was back in 97 to contest another final, again i suppose Mayo just fluked there way to that one too. Lost narrowly to Galway 98 and beat them in 99 in their own backyard, Galway team of 98 is considered great granted they did win it but my gawd the most bitter must recognise the pain from that era from a Mayo angle, we were quality from 96-99 top friggin drawer .

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 16/01/2013 20:09:58    1319405

16/01/2013 19:54:11
sam2008
County: Tyrone
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I don't care who wins Sam 2013 as long as it isn't Cork, Dublin or Kerry!

Well unless Donegal can retain their title the winner is going to come from Dublin,Cork or Kerry.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3878 - 16/01/2013 20:11:13    1319408

that galway team played great exciting football but i dunno if they were 'great'...meath were the superior team in 96 and they showed it in the replay..

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 16/01/2013 20:27:35    1319419