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That'll be the end of that Donegal team so.

You wish.

One of the things JMcG has done is give these players confidence in themselves & in each other. Brian Cody working full time hasn't finished Kilkenny so Mc Guinness working part time is hardly the end of the world!!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 09/11/2012 10:52:50    1295172

I think it would have been very difficult for Donegal to have a 2013 like 2012 but even more difficult now with the news about Mc Guinness.

If he is going to be away from the training ground on a Tuesday and Thursday night and not getting into the minds of the Donegal players then it will have a detrimental effect on the team. Next year would be the year you need your Sports Psychologist to keep the hunger in the players minds and even though Rory Gallagher is a good man to have there he's no Jim Mc Guinness. It may work out ok though as the soccer season will be closed for a few months in the summer and thats when we really need Jim about.

Jim is a fantastic manager and a great fella and would be sorely missed if we lost him but a gem is hard to keep. He went to university to qualify as a sports psychologist and when you get an offer of €150k with a club like Celtic it would be difficult to see him turn that down as it could lead to a long and fruitful career. Would he have taken this job if Donegal hadn't won the AI this year??

It's very easy for posters to say that this would be the end of Donegal because of this decision as anything less than retaining the AI will now be blamed on this decision but in reality even without Jim going to Celtic it would have been a massive achievement for Donegal to retain the AI.

Let's just see how it goes in 2013 and make judgements then.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 09/11/2012 11:05:20    1295175

as i said a few weeks ago when kilkenny choose aussie rules it was only the beggining that by people back slapping these guys closer to home we would lose players and managers to other sports becuase of money and we had rugby and soccer now flexing their financial muscles.
theres no way him doing both would work as he said himself last year he and the players put in 60 hours a week to the donegal team so how could he manage to be in scotland for 3 or 4 days and put that effort in with donegal.the differance with cody is hes working in the same place comes home and trains the team simple as.
jimmy was winning matches jimmy was winning games no hes leaving donegal for financial gain.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 11:34:57    1295192

Jeez, hill16man, you must have been born into serious money, were you?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 09/11/2012 11:39:42    1295193

if barca think celtic were difficult to break down on wed just wait till next season.Seriously
it would be a fantastic opportunity for McGuinness and I hope it works out for him

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 09/11/2012 11:42:32    1295194

Just a question.What is a sports psychologist?.Thanks.

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 351 - 09/11/2012 11:50:24    1295200

Donegal are boring to watch GateKeeper!

So was Tyrone's performance against Kerry in the championship this year.

Dull, ineffective and uncompetitive, the opposite of everything that Donegal were!

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1403 - 09/11/2012 11:54:27    1295202

doublehop

no far from it but i was born with the attitude of if you love something enough to get involved knowing you want get paid that you should stick to your beliefs and that means not being bought.again the situation of money is rearing its head would he take up this role in scotland if the 150,000 cheque wasnt flashed at him?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 11:57:03    1295204

Let's not get carried away here.

He is not being asked to end world hunger or fix our economy. This is just a part time job on a trial basis.
The players will have no issue with it, they are not children & I guarantee you that most of them are big Celtic supporters who will be delighted.
I'm also sure that knowing the man as I do he will be soaking up info while over there & applying it at home.

Look none of us can be really sure how this will work but if I had to put my last shilling on it I would back Jim to make it work.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 09/11/2012 12:00:01    1295209

worple

in plain terms its more or less analyzing what psycholgicaly is effecting your game on and off the field.
how did sports teams ever cope before the last 5 or 10 years without these people i dont know haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 12:01:20    1295210

Well its official now. He was unveiled at Celtic this morning. His initial job is to work with the younger players, i.e. Under 20 squad. He outlined his plans to sit down with each player individually and tailor an individual plan for them and to work with them towards achieving their goals. Practically all top Sportsmen now employ a Sports Pyshchologist, as do most of the top teams, as a Celtic fan, I welcome Jim to the Club and wish him well, I sincerely hope he can continue to work with Donegal and I wish him well there too.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 09/11/2012 12:02:06    1295212

hill16no1man
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doublehop

no far from it but i was born with the attitude of if you love something enough to get involved knowing you want get paid that you should stick to your beliefs and that means not being bought.again the situation of money is rearing its head would he take up this role in scotland if the 150,000 cheque wasnt flashed at him?

Hill16
I don't understand the problem. He hasn't turned his back on the GAA in any shape or form. All he has done is take up the offer of a well paid job in his chosen field of work as many other GAA managers do. He will still be putting in a mountain of unpaid work with Donegal
Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill here.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 09/11/2012 12:07:44    1295216

muckross

it didnt say in the statement he will be continuing on as donegal manager.
how it will work i cannot understand as he was putting in 60 hours some weeks this year managing the donegal team so be impossible to have the same level of commitment from himself to donegal that he required his players to be putting in.
i dont see any reason why you would want to go to the scottish league apart from money anyway its the same standard as the aritricity league you always only had two teams above our league in quality now you only have one and he not even working with them players he will be working with kids if he does leave a team he managed to achieve an all ireland with for a kids backroom staff role its a step backwards in terms of everything except money.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 12:15:30    1295222

What's the difference between this and what Gilroy did when leaving Dublin to focus on his career? We know as fact from end of year accounts what Gilroy ismaking as a director of Dalkia and it's a lot more than the figures the media are bouncing around about McGuinness. Should Pat have changed his career and field of expertise to continue with Dublin? I don't recall you abusing him in the same way at the time.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 09/11/2012 12:22:38    1295227

A few things hill16

1. Where do you get the figure of 60 hours a week from? What do you invisage was actually done in the majority of these hours? There are 168 hours in a week. GAA is Jimmy's hobby, his passion. He did his work in his free time. He now has more free time because hes only working 3 days a week. In that regard he will be working 2 days less than Brian Cody or Eamonn Fitzmaurice. If he was a non-sports psychologist working 3 days in Glasgow would this be such a big deal? Or is it simply because it is a dreaded foreign sport? Jim's skills are transferable between sports, he should get to use them just an electrician or a farmer or a dentist gets to use theirs
2. The Donegal team train twice a week. Any other sessions were done individually

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 09/11/2012 12:30:28    1295237

doublehop
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What's the difference between this and what Gilroy did when leaving Dublin to focus on his career? We know as fact from end of year accounts what Gilroy ismaking as a director of Dalkia and it's a lot more than the figures the media are bouncing around about McGuinness. Should Pat have changed his career and field of expertise to continue with Dublin? I don't recall you abusing him in the same way at the time.

what are you on about totaly differant here,gilroys contract was up with dublin he took 3 years and signed on for one more year 2012 and as expected finished out his contract whats wrong with that he didnt leave if as expected mcguinness does do the gaa to join a differant sport.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 12:32:57    1295242

Without and insider knowledge it is my opinion that the end is now for Jimmy McGuinnes. If I am right I will feel for the people in Dún na nGall. He is one of the best managers ever and if he goes he will be a huge loss to not only CLG Dun na nGall but to the GAA itself. Although it is dissappointing when you lose players to other sports Jimmy mcguiness cas is different. He studied sport and wants to make a career out of it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 09/11/2012 12:35:51    1295245

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1295194 if barca think celtic were difficult to break down on wed just wait till next season.Seriously
it would be a fantastic opportunity for McGuinness and I hope it works out for him

Ha ha. Funny post.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 09/11/2012 12:37:03    1295246

benjyyy

heres where i get the figure he said it himself before all ireland final.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/what-the-move-means-for-donegal-3287870.html

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/11/2012 12:37:56    1295247

you see people rattling on about bull, that there's no place for Sport Psychologists in the game, blah blah. Well there you go, no surprise to me whatsoever that the top manager in the country this minute is a Sport Psychologist. The only problem with psychological provision in the country this minute is the amount of cowboys claiming to be able to do things they are not qualified to do. McGuinness's university education in Liverpool makes him a perfect guy to hire.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 09/11/2012 12:44:19    1295251