ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 944

you realy are a politcian at heart man just admit it you have been badgering me on the whole subject becuase i gave an honest opinion on why he left but you wont admit either way that he is going for money or that he is doing the right or wrong thing in joining a completly new sport.
why am i living in fantasy land do you think i want rugby or soccer for that matter to overtake the gaa but if the gaa has your mentality that everything will be fine sure it always is if we put matches on they will come it will take care of itself then we are standing still and will be overtaken.
the recession is there in every walk of life not just gaa matches what about the other sports are they not effected by it too ?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 09:14:31    1278356

Breaking news. News alert. 29 of the Cork panel of 30 are not going over to Rugby. Major discussion on Liveline about it, Joe reckons its the end of gaaah.!

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 05/10/2012 13:44:48    1278537

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2672

your chasing down this Chap on 4 different threads at this stage

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 05/10/2012 14:44:25    1278598

hahahaha are you for real take a look at my posts ffgg responded to all of them except on 1 thread where he had a go at trying to make out kerry were the best team all year in 2011 but then turns around and says he only counts the championship as all that matters,i responded to that one, hmmmm your very select with your viewing

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 14:48:54    1278604

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2674

1278078 ormond

rugby players have lost alot of athelticsm

HAVE YOU ANY FACTS OR EVEN STATISTICS TO BACK THIS ASSERTION

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 05/10/2012 14:54:32    1278612

too much strength training slows down the fibres used for speed and aerobic training

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 15:02:54    1278621

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2677

too much strength training slows down the fibres used for speed and aerobic training

Too much + how much exactly.

Would it not depend on what form of athletisism they are trying to achieve, surely they are doing whatever training that suits their needs not what you decide.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 05/10/2012 15:40:12    1278656

too much strength training slows down the fibres used for speed and aerobic training

Too much = how much exactly. (TYPO)

Would it not depend on what form of athletisism they are trying to achieve, surely they are doing whatever training that suits their needs not what you decide.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 05/10/2012 15:43:54    1278663

you asked how the game of rugby has lost its athelticism and well i answered it im not saying i give arats what they do im just giving you the answer as to what happens if you overload in one you lose out in the other

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 15:44:54    1278665

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 11286

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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2674

ormond

rugby players have lost alot of athelticsm

HAVE YOU ANY FACTS OR EVEN STATISTICS TO BACK THIS ASSERTION

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2678

too much strength training slows down the fibres used for speed and aerobic training

Indeed it does. But how exactly is that a fact relating to rugby players in particular?

Are there studies out there analysing the fitness levels of rugby players from a few years ago in comparison to rugby players now?

Of course as you know yourself from working in the industry when talking about fitness and athleticism you need to look deeper than just speed. Athleticism comprises other factors such as strength, energy / endurance / stamina, flexibility, anaerobic and aerobic capacity and explosive power.

Can you make a case for rugby players losing or suffering a decrease in their ability levels for each of these based on facts or is it all just based on some of your own observations?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 05/10/2012 15:54:23    1278677

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2679

1278665 you asked how the game of rugby has lost its athelticism and well i answered it im not saying i give arats what they do im just giving you the answer as to what happens if you overload in one you lose out in the other

i didn't ask how rugby(players) had lost any athleticism. that's your assertion. You say that if you overload in one you lose out in the other, What evidence have you that they overload, perhaps they just concentrate on one more than the other to suit their needs as opposed to everyone doing the same training regardless of differing needs. ARATS?? asumming you meant facts?? still not a shred of evidence that Rugby has lost any athleticism, it may have changed focus, and as you contend yourself what you lose in one area you gain in another and vise versa. you won't know ciaran kilkenny when he gets back

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 05/10/2012 16:03:16    1278688

how am i badgering you can you not debate the point hill??..why should i have to agree with someone who cant make proper coherent points?..you still have failed to come with any facts at all bar sprouting complete utter nonsense on here non stop and resorting to petty comments...how am i supposed to know whether he has made the right decision or not?..its totally up to him....again i ask you what sport is going to take over the gaa in ireland and on what basis is this going to happen please tell me?...i would like you to make a point on the matter bar some silly idea that some sort of mentality is going to cause the gaa to lose all their players??..well gaa being the biggest sport aka having more matches than anybody else and more supporters meaning more people likely to be affected by the recession..and attendences are fine...i know from experience that living in dublin the gaa is made to feel second best as rugby especially is really slammed down peoples throats but youd wanna go down the country hill and see how the gaa is doing

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/10/2012 16:06:20    1278693

he doesnt understand what a fact means i dont think..iv been asking him for ages for a fact

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/10/2012 16:07:02    1278695

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 11291

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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2679

1278665 you asked how the game of rugby has lost its athelticism and well i answered it im not saying i give arats what they do im just giving you the answer as to what happens if you overload in one you lose out in the other

i didn't ask how rugby(players) had lost any athleticism. that's your assertion. You say that if you overload in one you lose out in the other, What evidence have you that they overload, perhaps they just concentrate on one more than the other to suit their needs as opposed to everyone doing the same training regardless of differing needs. ARATS?? asumming you meant facts?? still not a shred of evidence that Rugby has lost any athleticism, it may have changed focus, and as you contend yourself what you lose in one area you gain in another and vise versa. you won't know ciaran kilkenny when he gets back

by viewing the match the pace of rugby has slowed down its more about physicality not pace or speed anymore.if you concentrate more on one elemant of training it means you lose out on the other you dont keep what you gain unless you continue to do it. i ment a rats not facts. yes and its more physical sport now then an athletic sport .

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 16:13:57    1278706

if_in_doubt

you only have to watch rugby matches from the present day to the 90tys and you can tell that they are far bigger stronger men who are playing the game at a far slower pace then the guys in the 90tys.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 16:15:59    1278709

ffgg

you dont have to agree with anything im not like you i dont need affection from other posters to feel loved.
you dont have to do anything you decided to respond to my opinion i didnt force you to.
i have told you countless time if the gaa stands still it will be overtaken your atitude of the gaa will always be number one thats how it is is a an attitude that will get you know where you have to work to stay at the top of the list and not rest on what you have.
are you for real rugby barely exists in dublin come over the northside of dublin and you will do weel to find a rugby pitch in any public park
dont make assertions on dublin that the gaa is behind rugby because you obviuosly havent a clue.
im the one whos petty why do you need to comment about me publicaly to others thats petty.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 16:22:06    1278715

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 2684

you only have to watch rugby matches from the present day to the 90tys and you can tell that they are far bigger stronger men who are playing the game at a far slower pace then the guys in the 90tys.

Is there not a chance that the game has slowed down because of certain tactics employed by managers or coaches?

Look at the way England won the World Cup in 2003, playing the game completely through their front 8 and Johnny Wilkinson.

Yet in their backs they had Jason Robinson who was capable of doing the 40 yard dash in under 5 seconds. There's plenty of players who would come in at close to 11-12 seconds for the 100m, how many GAA players would do likewise? Fair enough though there's not many players who play in the pack who'd be able to do this.

You say yourself they are now stronger than before. Surely you're only contradicting your whole point as strength is one of the factors that influences a persons overall athleticism.

You need to accept that just because one player is faster than another, it doesn't automatically make him more athletic.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 05/10/2012 16:29:42    1278726

you dont have to agree with anything im not like you i dont need affection from other posters to feel loved.
you dont have to do anything you decided to respond to my opinion i didnt force you to.
i have told you countless time if the gaa stands still it will be overtaken your atitude of the gaa will always be number one thats how it is is a an attitude that will get you know where you have to work to stay at the top of the list and not rest on what you have.
are you for real rugby barely exists in dublin come over the northside of dublin and you will do weel to find a rugby pitch in any public park
dont make assertions on dublin that the gaa is behind rugby because you obviuosly havent a clue.
im the one whos petty why do you need to comment about me publicaly to others thats petty.


why are you getting so upset hill its just a debate?....where did i say rugby was bigger than the gaa in dublin?....all i said was due to the media marketing etc the gaa is made to feel second best in dublin when it is not...therefore resulting in gaa people being more anti other sports than they normally would be ...i know full well rugby barely exists on the northside...calm down it is just a debate

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/10/2012 16:40:22    1278740

rugby is a much faster sport now hill id have to disagree with you there...props such as the beast and brits playing for sarcacens are just two examples of how dynamic the game has become

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/10/2012 16:41:23    1278742

if_in_doubt

no no no i say they are focusing too mcuh on strength which in turn losses you a yard in sharpness in endurance.
usain bolt can run the 100m in under 10 seconds those that mean he is fitter then a guy who can play at an intensity for a certain length of time,he wouldnt last the 400m even he says it himself.yes strength training is brilliant for bursts but it slows you down for endurance.
if you weigh up all the components of fitness too mcuh strength training overloads the body which decreases the other components particularly in a field sport that was based more on being able to get around the pitch for 80 mins.coaches may have influenced yes i agree but there style of training would be included in changing their game plan

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/10/2012 16:42:16    1278746