Thanks for all that info Hill16, very interesting stuff. I wouldn't have had a clue about the different types of training they do etc.. Hopefully Kilkenny will be home soon and can bring what he learns in the AFL back to Dublin and to his club - I hope the AFL wont be looking for compo if he does come home!

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 04/10/2012 18:05:39    1278074

ormond

rugby players have lost alot of athelticsm and no focus far too much on physicality so it is clearly obvious the muscle fibres dont work as aerobicaly as if you train equaly. players were far fitter nimble able to run quicker back in the 90tys on a rugby pitch then the present day there are now only a few positions where they can run 100 yards nearly.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/10/2012 18:07:25    1278078

have you considered that players might not want this job hill?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 18:13:40    1278086

how will the gaa fall down the pecking order?....what sport is supposed to take over the gaa in ireland?...i cant actually believe this....your actually proposing bringing back the ban??..how backward and old fashioned can you be?....do you know anybody playing afl personally?..if you did you would be aware money is no factor at all as someone can earn the money doing a job at home no bother...opportunity and the shot at a new career is the main factor...it seems you like to be a bully or a dictator the way your attitude is on here...

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 18:18:25    1278090

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there is already full time coaches who are paid county boards and clubs so why not use inter county players in this role,

you need to issue a decree that all County GAA players must become fulltime coaches, especially those with a desire to work abroad, have you been reading the the little red book by any chance

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/10/2012 18:27:42    1278098

04/10/2012 15:17:54
ffgg
yeah rugby is a far quicker game now i agree so i dont understand what hill is saying there..more nonsense...i cant agree that they are much fitter though ormond...most rugby players especially forwards besides the back row dont exactly have much athleticism compared to gaa players...gaa players especially half forwards and half backs and midfielders cover massive distances....i feel the argument on who is fitter is a bit of a waste of time as it can never be fully proven but i dont think you should dismiss the argument as nonsense as that is both arrogant and disrespectful to gaa players
You are mad to be honest if you think most forwards dont have much athleticism. Hookers, many props(mainly looseheads) and quite a few 2nd rows are incredibly athletic.
Do you know what the definition of athletic is?
As if you think 2nd rows like paul o connell, donnacha ryan, dan tuohy, richie gray, victor matfield and many multitudes more are not athletic or front rows like cian healy, richardt strauss, bismarck du plessis and many multitudes of props/hookers are not athletic.
The athletic dynamism needed to play 2nd row is unbelievable and front row mainly hooker even more so.
Rugby players cover huge distances as well. Below rfu report states rugby players cover between 4.5km and nearly 7km per game
http://www.rfu.com/News/2011/April/News%20Articles/140411_GPS_Premiership
This report below states GAA players cover around 7k and 10k and considering how both games are played that shows that rugby players travel a considerable distance.


04/10/2012 18:07:25
hill16no1man
ormond, rugby players have lost alot of athelticsm and no focus far too much on physicality so it is clearly obvious the muscle fibres dont work as aerobicaly as if you train equaly. players were far fitter nimble able to run quicker back in the 90tys on a rugby pitch then the present day there are now only a few positions where they can run 100 yards nearly.
This isnt me being arrogant etc so dont try come back and say that it is. Its just im being blunt and to the point.
Rugby players have not lost a lot of athleticism?
Rugby Players are much fitter now than in the 90s.
What rubbish are you spouting by the sentence "there are now only a few positions where they can run 100 yards nearly". Can you explain how you came up with this ridiculous statement?


04/10/2012 18:18:25
ffgg
how will the gaa fall down the pecking order?....what sport is supposed to take over the gaa in ireland?...i cant actually believe this....your actually proposing bringing back the ban??..how backward and old fashioned can you be?....do you know anybody playing afl personally?..if you did you would be aware money is no factor at all as someone can earn the money doing a job at home no bother...opportunity and the shot at a new career is the main factor...it seems you like to be a bully or a dictator the way your attitude is on here...
GAA will never fall down the pecking order.
I agree with everything you are saying here

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/10/2012 20:29:15    1278189

would you say a front 5 forward is as athletic as a gaa wing forward ormond?..hard to measure i know and plus all the stoppages and how structured a rugby game is limits the athleticism on show..a rugby front 5 is probably treble the speed of what it was in the 90s..its a much faster game now so i dont understand how you can argue its slower now....gaa is my main sport along with soccer but i appreciate rugby and if people want to play they most certainly should be allowed...to say someone should be banned from playing sports just aint right

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 20:41:26    1278203

we finally agree on something ormond haha!

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 20:42:12    1278205

04/10/2012 20:41:26
ffgg
would you say a front 5 forward is as athletic as a gaa wing forward ormond?..hard to measure i know and plus all the stoppages and how structured a rugby game is limits the athleticism on show..a rugby front 5 is probably treble the speed of what it was in the 90s..its a much faster game now so i dont understand how you can argue its slower now....gaa is my main sport along with soccer but i appreciate rugby and if people want to play they most certainly should be allowed...to say someone should be banned from playing sports just aint right
Im not sure how you would compare them but considering when i played g. football i predominantly was a wing forward and ive predominantly been a 2nd row in rugby i feel i can compare the 2 positions. Yes in many ways i would consider them to be athletic as each other.
Dont thnk i said anywhere that rugby is slower(i could have but i was up in dublin doing a course in a hospital so im quite tired and cant remember saying that)
Your last sentence is 100% dead on and anyone who thinks the opposite should go hide in a corner and go back to the dark ages or grow up and not act like a child

04/10/2012 20:42:12
ffgg
we finally agree on something ormond haha!
Ha! About f-in time. LOL. Weve been debating and discussing here for quite a while......

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/10/2012 20:58:05    1278229

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Thanks for all that info Hill16, very interesting stuff. I wouldn't have had a clue about the different types of training they do etc.. Hopefully Kilkenny will be home soon and can bring what he learns in the AFL back to Dublin and to his club - I hope the AFL wont be looking for compo if he does come home!

no problem man,yeah its quite simple how the body works and how training effects are its just alot of people complicate it by putting terms in front of it and making it sound a lot more high tech which is why the boys on here that are fighting my every word to buy into this pro sport talk.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/10/2012 21:01:57    1278234

ffgg

well if gaa people have the attitude of you and others on here that we should celebrate top young talents moving to other sports how are we going to ever keep hold of our best players if the culture becomes that you are right to go and play rugby or soccer becuase you get paid what do you think will happen with any young guy finishes school and has gaa or rugby to choose from he will be told sure you get paid in rugby and of course its professional you would be a fool not to play it.
it wouldnt be long overtaking the gaa if your attitude becomes mainstream

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/10/2012 21:05:05    1278241

where am i celebrating a lad leaving??..im saying i can understand his position and i have no fault with him leaving as most in his position would do the same....you have a backward attitude where you can be happy for nobody but yourself....gaa will always be the biggest sport in ireland....sure most lads do soccer and gaa and also rugby in recent times and the gaa has gotten on grand with it going from strength to strength..its the attitude of people like yourself who would turn someone against the gaa

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 21:20:15    1278268

i was referring to hill on the rugby slower debate....well im talking about an inter county forward compared to a pro rugby front 5 player for an irish team

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 21:21:13    1278270

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where am i celebrating a lad leaving??..im saying i can understand his position and i have no fault with him leaving as most in his position would do the same....you have a backward attitude where you can be happy for nobody but yourself....gaa will always be the biggest sport in ireland....sure most lads do soccer and gaa and also rugby in recent times and the gaa has gotten on grand with it going from strength to strength..its the attitude of people like yourself who would turn someone against the gaa

you think he is making the right decision so whats to stop aussies or rugby teams asking any young player coming through to join them will you feel the same if the numbers continue to grow in top guys choosing other sports ? thats a ridiculous comment and utter nonsense that i cant be happy for anybody but myself your trying to slur my name and you dont even know me,its a bad sign when you try and get personal with somebody you dont even know!!!
see thats your attitude that nothing changes gaa will always be becuase it is now well it wont unless people work to keep it there,and if we continue to hold pro sports on a pedestol within the gaa a new generation of kids coming through will grow up seeing that and be influenced.
the gaa cant offer money and it seems alot of people now i have found out on here think about money before anything else.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/10/2012 21:27:56    1278283

From Gael to Goy

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 04/10/2012 21:32:38    1278293

i dont think he is making the right decision time will tell whether he is making the right decision or not but i feel it is his decision to make..it is you who is getting personal on the kilkenny matter actually thats why i responded to you....please tell me who is going to replace the gaa?..why do you have such a siege mentality?..the gaa has never been stronger than it is now....what pedestal are you talking about?..you feel we should ban kids from playing other sports just because we might lose 1 or 2 of them ?.......please back up your comments with actual arguments such as what sport is actually gonna replace the gaa etc instead of consistently trying to portray everybody as greedy just because we dont agree with you

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 21:34:54    1278297

04/10/2012 21:32:38
CheFinny
From Gael to Goy

Stupid post. Add something relevant to the debate if you're to add something at all
Why bring class bullsh*t into the agrument??
Best of luck

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/10/2012 21:44:35    1278314

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i dont think he is making the right decision time will tell whether he is making the right decision or not but i feel it is his decision to make..it is you who is getting personal on the kilkenny matter actually thats why i responded to you....please tell me who is going to replace the gaa?..why do you have such a siege mentality?..the gaa has never been stronger than it is now....what pedestal are you talking about?..you feel we should ban kids from playing other sports just because we might lose 1 or 2 of them ?.......please back up your comments with actual arguments such as what sport is actually gonna replace the gaa etc instead of consistently trying to portray everybody as greedy just because we dont agree with you

you said why wouldnt he go to play another sport because its pro so you do believe he is making the right decision do you not.
im not getting personal im stating my point loud and clear he gave up on his original dream to play football and hurling for dublin and is going to play a new sport because he got offered money to do so.well if more and more top new players coming through decide to join aussie rules or rugby well then by default rugby will grow to become the top sport as the media will have a field day sticking the boot and bragging that rugby has more to offer ayoung person then gaa and you would be afool in modern ireland to play a sport that doesnt pay you,thisis the attitude that is becoming prevalent in ireland at the minute.
the gaa saw crowds drop over the last 5 years while rugby has saw crowds increase so how do you figure its at its strongest?
you believe like others that gaa players could never be as fit as rigby or soccer unless they are pro no matter how much they train is this not putting them ahead of our players?no i feel we should encourage them to pick gaa as their sport and concentrate on it .

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/10/2012 21:45:31    1278316

"Rugby can be a slowish sport but remember it is a winter sport and a collision sport compared to gaelic and hurling which are contact sports played in summer"

There is no comparison between Rugby and a sport like Hurling. A weight lifter might not be fit enough to run a 10K race but he doesn't need to its mad stuff comparing these.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 04/10/2012 21:49:46    1278323

i said i can completely understand the decision he is making so stop trying to make assumptions yet again about what i think...i have just spent the last few posts arguing with ormond on how gaa players are fitter than rugby players?....your living in some fantasy land if you think rugby will become the main sport in ireland...again why such a siege mentality?...there is a few players leaving here and there and if they want to go play another sports thats fine as it is completely up to them....gaa will always be number 1 as it is the best sport to play and watch...i dont understand your argument at all as you are making no sense..crowds are down as people in every province bar ulster seem to be bored of the championship structure and also the recession must be factored in..the tv ratings are superb and this years final was the second most watched in the last 8 years so whats the problem?...relax like the gaa is fine and always will be...i feel people should be encouraged to do whatever they want as its their decision

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 04/10/2012 21:56:11    1278331