Well, today's final proved that there is no contest!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/09/2012 17:55:17    1271160

how exactly? donegal had at least a 3 point lead for practically the whole game today whilst in the hurling the lead swung a few times... donegal had mayo at arms length for the majority of the game however i still accept that it was a good game of ball

tombonk (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 23/09/2012 18:07:31    1271177

I think Hurlingdub is making that point too tom.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 23/09/2012 19:00:32    1271234

Hurlingdub being a bit of a clue perhaps Zulu!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/09/2012 19:09:19    1271248

hurlingdub

i wouldnt be bragging about the hurling final at times it was hard to watch also,i thaught the camogie final was the best of the 3 finals so far realy entertaining game were they used the sliotar far better and took some great goals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/09/2012 12:05:29    1271576

Each to his own hillman, but I was seriously tempted to grab the lead and head out with puppy from ten minutes into the second half! You could not have turned away from the hurling final for a second.

What did you think of the minor final? Delighted to see Dublin winning but Meath seriously let themselves down by apparently surrendering tactics to 'advice' from elsewhere regarding blanket defence. They would not have won anyway but Dublin Kerry was an open game as was Meath and Mayo and both of them could have gone either way for most of the matches.

I hope that we are not seeing the beginning of the domination of really negative tactics. And I am not slagging Deonegal. I like the way they play mostly but the danger is they will spawn a generation of poor imitations who will have all the negativity and none of the panache.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 24/09/2012 12:14:03    1271584

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Each to his own hillman, but I was seriously tempted to grab the lead and head out with puppy from ten minutes into the second half! You could not have turned away from the hurling final for a second.

What did you think of the minor final? Delighted to see Dublin winning but Meath seriously let themselves down by apparently surrendering tactics to 'advice' from elsewhere regarding blanket defence. They would not have won anyway but Dublin Kerry was an open game as was Meath and Mayo and both of them could have gone either way for most of the matches.

I hope that we are not seeing the beginning of the domination of really negative tactics. And I am not slagging Deonegal. I like the way they play mostly but the danger is they will spawn a generation of poor imitations who will have all the negativity and none of the panache

yeah i think meaths idea was simple try and keep the socre down and with about 10 mins to go if there anyway in it go for it,but they got the goal too early as they then went for it earlier then they would have liked and that opened itup for dublin to get scores at the other end,yeah thaught was dissapointing but intersteing to see kerry ladies team and now meath minor team getting in on last years donegal tactic against dublin,i imagine oursleves wont be playing anything like that next year if jim gavin or dessie farrell takes over as i would see us playing more attacking football then we have over this season

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/09/2012 13:35:04    1271675

hurling cant be the better product though it doesnt sell near as much as football so bit of a ridiculous statement using that kind of language when clearly a product is judged on how well it sells

McDonalds outsells most other food outlets, but would you prefer a big Mac or a dinner in the Dorchester?

Get a set a jerseys, a half dozen size 5 O'Neills and hey presto you can go play football pretty cheaply. For hurling you need to outlay for the set of jerseys, helmets,hurls and balls and even then you need to top up your hurls and balls throughout the year.

hurling is far more expensive and that's prohibitive to a lot of parents and clubs.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 24/09/2012 15:46:55    1271856

It's the cost of the hurleys thats killing hurling

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 24/09/2012 15:53:29    1271862

Compare the two finals in 2012

You'd give it to the hurling alright...

Far more balanced.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 24/09/2012 15:56:27    1271864

if hurling is the better product then why is football selling better even with all the negativity from pundits and newspapers alike it still sells better then hurling?

Hill16no1fan the fact of the matter is that realistically anybody can play football, whereas hurling is something you are born with. These days to be a footballer, you basically need to be in or around 6 foot, be able to run up and down a pitch for 70 mins (which is certainly not easy) and the actual facets of been able to kick a ball etc can easily be coached into any budding footballer. Don't get me wrong I'm not slagging off football, and while I would take hurling over it any day, I firmly believe that the skill level in football is a lot less than in hurling. Sadly the days of extremely talented footballers are gone, nowadays its all about workrate, fitness, resolve, your mental attitude, and while you also need all those to play hurling, you also have to be a very talented stickman to play at the highest level, whereas you don't have to be the best footballer to play at the highest level!!

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 24/09/2012 16:53:22    1271914

Both games are excellent products when played well and without negative tactics. Meath in the minor is a case in point.

Hurling is a spectacular game with no other games worldwide coming close to it. Football si a great game also but is not as unique as hurling. That is the real difference between the 2. Hurling is just unique, to play and to watch.

Ever try to watch a football game after a hurling match?

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 24/09/2012 17:37:06    1271959

Carlowman ever watch a Hurley game after football?
I did 09 and left after 35 of the most mind numbing minutes i have ever endured, and that was a all ire semi kk v waterford i think, after the skill and excitement of the football it was terrible stuff to endure, honestly whack it anywhere ball was just shocking, give me football anyday and the almost one and half million viewers that tuned in too, Meath minors were disappointing but then I'm a traditionalist,but still better than hurling any day,
But each to their own that's what i say

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/09/2012 19:08:01    1272038

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1271914 if hurling is the better product then why is football selling better even with all the negativity from pundits and newspapers alike it still sells better then hurling?

Hill16no1fan the fact of the matter is that realistically anybody can play football, whereas hurling is something you are born with. These days to be a footballer, you basically need to be in or around 6 foot, be able to run up and down a pitch for 70 mins (which is certainly not easy) and the actual facets of been able to kick a ball etc can easily be coached into any budding footballer

Did you watch Dublin's minors? Did you see the points kicked in the final by both teams, under intense pressure?

Ollie99 (Meath) - Posts: 442 - 24/09/2012 19:09:55    1272040

A good hurling game may be better to watch, but I doubt the sport itself will ever be considered as big as football. There's just far more counties that stand a realistic chance of winning an All-Ireland in football than in the hurling which makes for a more entertaining sport to me.

JacksAreBack (Dublin) - Posts: 5 - 24/09/2012 19:16:50    1272046

Football has become a bore to watch,and its intolerable as a neutral,especially at club level. Hurling is a joy at all levels, u12 to intercounty,those that dont appreciate our own native game and all it has to offer are missing out bigtime,tis either ignorance,jealousy,bitterness or a bit of rorymcilroyitous!! Those that Knock hurling yet claim to be staunch GAA are deluded, Hurling is the GAA,Hurling is being Irish, Im only glad i get the opportunity to attend Hurling games almost any night of the week i want,and if im at a game as a neutral im more often than not hugely entertained,something that rarely happens at the boreball,which has been destroyed by the handpass,more like physical basketball on grass.

eastgael (Limerick) - Posts: 629 - 24/09/2012 19:41:10    1272064

Eastgael, inter county football can be a trial. The stats on how long the ball is in play are appalling. Less than half of the alloted time in second half of Dublin/Mayo for example.

Having said that, am involved with underage football teams and it is still a good game to watch when played in the right spirit and with players who have been coached in the basics. Indeed, our kids game on saturday was vastly more entertaining than either AI final and that'as a terrible thing to say!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/09/2012 08:20:44    1272207

County: Galway
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1271914 if hurling is the better product then why is football selling better even with all the negativity from pundits and newspapers alike it still sells better then hurling?

Hill16no1fan the fact of the matter is that realistically anybody can play football, whereas hurling is something you are born with. These days to be a footballer, you basically need to be in or around 6 foot, be able to run up and down a pitch for 70 mins (which is certainly not easy) and the actual facets of been able to kick a ball etc can easily be coached into any budding footballer. Don't get me wrong I'm not slagging off football, and while I would take hurling over it any day, I firmly believe that the skill level in football is a lot less than in hurling. Sadly the days of extremely talented footballers are gone, nowadays its all about workrate, fitness, resolve, your mental attitude, and while you also need all those to play hurling, you also have to be a very talented stickman to play at the highest level, whereas you don't have to be the best footballer to play at the highest level!!

What is the purpose of sport ? To enable participation and competition or to mitigate against it ? More people play football. Some (and I stress the word some) use that as a stick to beat football. People say it is easier to play football. I look on that as a positive aspect of the game. The more people who can play the game the better. One of rugbys greatest strengths is that there is a place for everyone in the game. The small stocky barrel and the tall athletic runner. To say the days of the extremely talented footballer are gone is wrong. I have been watching football for longer than I care to remember. We have had as many talented footballers over the last decade as we have ever had. Paraic Joyce, Peter Canavan, Stevie from Killeavy,Gooch, the three O Se's, Aidan Walsh,Stephen O Neill, Declan O Sullivan, Bernard and Alan Brogan to name but a few. To play football at the highest level you have to be very good. If you are not very good you will be found out.
Hurling is a wonderful game. There are not as many playing it as play football however. The level of competition in terms of teams who can win it pales in to insignificance in comparison to football. Three quarters of the senior All-Ireland titles have been won by three counties. No county outside those three has won an All-Ireland for the last 14 years. Not good. It goes back to the original question - what is the purpose of sport ? From the point of view of providing opportunities to play and compete football is well ahead.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 25/09/2012 11:14:50    1272295

Eastgael we are not true irish or gaa if we don't like or care to endure whack it anywhere ball? Get a grip lad,the game you try to put down is what is keeping the gaa going, revenue from football subsidises hurling , without it the gaa and the natinonal game my eye, thank football for keeping this minority sport at a higher level than it otherwise would

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/09/2012 11:53:10    1272338

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1272064 Football has become a bore to watch,and its intolerable as a neutral,especially at club level. Hurling is a joy at all levels, u12 to intercounty,those that dont appreciate our own native game and all it has to offer are missing out bigtime,tis either ignorance,jealousy,bitterness or a bit of rorymcilroyitous!! Those that Knock hurling yet claim to be staunch GAA are deluded, Hurling is the GAA,Hurling is being Irish, Im only glad i get the opportunity to attend Hurling games almost any night of the week i want,and if im at a game as a neutral im more often than not hugely entertained,something that rarely happens at the boreball,which has been destroyed by the handpass,more like physical basketball on grass

Your comments epitomise the hurling snob - the worst type of sports boor. We have two great games that ourselves and our children can enjoy.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 25/09/2012 12:03:59    1272350