would like to add the point that Seanie Johnson scored against limerick saturday night in portlaoise was ruled as wide but anyone behind that goal even limerick fans all thought it was good. I was waiting to see would it be shown on the sunday game last night but that bit of footage wasnt.

its time for change either technology or put those young guys who want to be refs beside the posts and see how that works it would be good ground training for them because a lot of the umpires as we have seen arent sure if to wave the flag or not they seem as if they are not capable of making a decision.god it so annoying and frustrating as a fan what must players feel when they stand there and not make a decision where do they be looking at all.then they get a huffy look and just barely wave the flag when the ref came back and changed the decision or was that just me who read the body language wrong of the umpire in the dublin meath match.???

lillymadfan (Kildare) - Posts: 1085 - 23/07/2012 14:45:20    1226080

23/07/2012 14:45:20
lillymadfan
County: Kildare
Posts: 957

1226080 would like to add the point that Seanie Johnson scored against limerick saturday night in portlaoise was ruled as wide but anyone behind that goal even limerick fans all thought it was good. I was waiting to see would it be shown on the sunday game last night but that bit of footage wasnt.

I was listening to this on the radio - I think it was actually put up as a score on the scoreboard and removed subsequently

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 23/07/2012 14:48:00    1226084

Firstly and most importantly the point rightly stood. The referee and linesman did the right thing letting the point stand. Had Dublin lost by a point we'd all be saying that we have to bring in this and that etc... However, a whole new can of worms have been opened here and the GAA/refs will have to show consistency on this matter and I don't know how they are going to do that.

Secondly what was the umpire doing listening to the Meath backs? He obviously didn't see the point yet took the word of the Meath backs that it was wide. That was shocking and no one sems to be discussing it. By the way I don't blame the Meath players. The Dublin players and any other set of players would probably have done exactly the same thing. It has become part and parcel of the game for right or wrong.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/07/2012 14:51:32    1226092

I wonder what would have happened had it been the other way around?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 23/07/2012 14:53:37    1226098

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 4123

kildare wouldnt have played donegal if it was in all grounds as they would not have gotten penalty in navan ;

we can use analysis of this all day, the same re a few years back blew up early in a dub , meath lsf when meath were in ascendency, again its a bit of the if me aunt had balls etc etc, where do you draw the line? is there a point in even having a result on the day or should we call it result pending, depending on who the flavour of the month is with spillane and co?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/07/2012 14:55:24    1226102

Banner-boy

I agree with you. Getting rid of screens at big games is silly in the extreme. We move with the times. The GAA is just slow getting there as, I think, only Croke Park has the big screen. Soon all county grounds will have them or at least should have them and they will be playing replays as that what the crowd wants (as evidenced in other sports in other countries). Advertisements will be played to finance the screens at half time, between minor and senior games etc

As for the referees using technology, well they should and they will. Will that mean there will be a scarcity of referees, holding all other variables constant (all other factors that help make a decision whether to be a referee or not) then new technology should increase the numbers of referees. technology increases productivity and would make life easier for the referee.

Yesterday's decision was the correct one, but as you said is it legal-not yet. GAA needs to get with the times (

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 23/07/2012 15:00:17    1226115

Let it not be forgotten that the same umpire waved another Eoghan O' Gara point wide that was 100% over the bar. I was standing directly in line with the flight of the shot and it was physically impossible to have tailed outside the upright. I think he was actually waving it wide before it even crossed the endline.

CapitalGains (Dublin) - Posts: 40 - 23/07/2012 15:07:32    1226137

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 2044

kildare wouldnt have played donegal if it was in all grounds as they would not have gotten penalty in navan ;

we can use analysis of this all day, the same re a few years back blew up early in a dub , meath lsf when meath were in ascendency, again its a bit of the if me aunt had balls etc etc, where do you draw the line? is there a point in even having a result on the day or should we call it result pending, depending on who the flavour of the month is with spillane and co?

Ah yeah RD but to be fair if that penalty wasn't given then Kildare would have definitely won the ball back after it was cleared upfield and would have worked it back down the other end and we definitely would have scored a goal in that passage of play anyways.

Or maybe there could have been an off the ball tussle with O'Connor and Reilly on the ground, a load of other players might have got involved and there could have been 6 or 7 red cards.

Or maybe just maybe there's a chance it actually was a peno. Then again like you always say Meath fans never bring up dodgy decisions that go against them (apart from this one and the red card every chance they get).

Every decision influences a game somehow, some in a seemingly insignificant manner while others can have a massive impact.

Decisions change games. It's impossible to just assume that a score can be scratched off and the result be amended so.

Who's to say Meath would have won in extra time anyways?

Who's to say Donegal wouldn't have come back had O'Connor's goal stood. Who's to say Down wouldn't have bet us without Coulter's goal?

Nobody.

Video technology isn't the answer.

Better training and evaluation of refs, umpires and linesman is, along with accountability and transparency.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 23/07/2012 15:07:53    1226140

sam57 - martin king - dead ringer!!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5305 - 23/07/2012 15:10:02    1226144

The Dubs fans won that point.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 23/07/2012 15:13:37    1226154

MESAMIS MO CHARA - EXACTLY WHAT KERRY PLAYER PICKED THE BALL OFF THE GROUND IN THE SMALL SQUARE IN LAST YEARS AIF???

Look at the video of the match with your new specsavers on this time!!! There was no pick up and it was no bloody free either.

dingle1 (Clare) - Posts: 805 - 23/07/2012 15:31:03    1226202

It was a point clearly.

But it was a disgraceful decision by the referee to change his mind and totally outside the rules of the game.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 23/07/2012 15:43:03    1226238

Was clearly a point but disgraceful for GAA headquaters compliment the ref on a wonderful decision, as the homepage reports. Obviously the replay on the big screen forced hand and hence the "great decision". Get with the times and use video technology for the sake of all teams - it benefits all.

Monaghan Man (Monaghan) - Posts: 100 - 23/07/2012 16:02:56    1226288

Bennybunny - Limerick Gaelic grounds has a big screen. I noticed it at the Munster final. I've been told that Semple Stadiuum has one, as well, but I didn't notice it at the Cork/Wexford game.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 23/07/2012 16:18:41    1226326

Last night on the Sunday Game when Des Cahill said if the big screen had been used back in 2010 Louth would have been Leinster champions Kevin McStay responded by saying there would also have been serious repercussions if the big screen had been used in 2010.

I felt McStay dismissed out of hand Des's very correct assumption with his "serious repercussions" comment.

It was obvious to me that he doesn't like Louth and was quite happy that Meath wrongly won a Leinster title at Louth's expense .

I got the impression from his tone that Louth were lucky that the big screen wasn't used to punish them rather than it being used to quash what was an illegal score.

Is he not aware that the authorities did use video including that which was shown on the big screen back in 2010 to bring charges against 2 Louth supporters in the aftermath of that game.

McStay just couldn't bring himself to say yes Des you're absolutely correct Louth should and would have won the 2010 Leinster final had the referee looked up at it back then......they were wronged and this should not have happened when there was a screen there that could have assisted the referee, all he had to do was quietly take the time to look at it.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 23/07/2012 16:30:20    1226360

lets be honest, the only people happy about this are the dubs! its a joke, ref/linesmen/umpires have absolutely no authority to consult a big screen. Fair enough it was a point but still it should not have been awarded after missing it in real time 2umpires a ref and the linesman missed it! they should not be allowed officiate at that standard again!

jimmyjeffries (Westmeath) - Posts: 16 - 23/07/2012 16:36:45    1226379

jimmyjeffries
County: Westmeath
Posts: 13

1226379 lets be honest, the only people happy about this are the dubs! its a joke, ref/linesmen/umpires have absolutely no authority to consult a big screen. Fair enough it was a point but still it should not have been awarded after missing it in real time 2umpires a ref and the linesman missed it! they should not be allowed officiate at that standard again!


I couldn't disagree more with you.

Getting decisions right is all that matters and if that means using a big screen then that is fine with me.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 23/07/2012 16:52:08    1226419

If the GAA (the CCCC) can use video evidence to suspend people who have not been booked by a referee during the course of a game, I see no reason why it can't be used to uphold justice and fair play while the game is in progress. Whether it is specifically forbidden by the rules or not doesn't make one bit of difference. Referees don't implement lots of the rules properly, anyway, particularly the advantage rule, so I can't see the GAA making a fuss about it. In fact the GAA should give a grant to all the major grounds in the country for the installation of those screens.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 23/07/2012 16:59:07    1226429

So we have a situation that the officials get the decision right but because of the means they used to come to this decision then they are criticised. We should be happy we had officials yesterday who did their best to come to the correct decision in the game.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 23/07/2012 17:00:24    1226433

dingle1
County: Clare
Posts: 779

17 mins 26 secs. Eoin Brosnan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Gpir6kQXA

Watch the whole thing while you're at it. Very enjoyable, particularily the last 7 minutes.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 23/07/2012 17:02:22    1226438