BettystownRoyal
County: Meath
Posts: 2503

1214476 this was be a good addition to hoganstand but it would need a bit of promotion in the irish speaking parts of the country to really do well. i'm sure there are hundreds of GAA people in Irish speaking areas who would love an Irish section on this site but most of them would never find out if it wasn't advertised.

You would be surprised by the powere and influence of facebook. In fact I think it would lead to a lot more people posting in English and as Gaeilge on hogan stand. A chance to give themselves a plug if you like.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 12:15:00    1214509

O.K. Htaem that clarifies it, personally I had no love for Irish in School either. However as I grew older that changed. I can only carry on a very basic conversation in Irish and often have to intersperse English words. I would be opposed to anyone having an elitist attitude and I certainly don't think that people who can't speak Irish are any less of an Irishman then those who can. However I would encourage anyone including yourself don't let the fools who tried to ram it down your throat make you hate part of your heritage. If there is a bi-lingual thread I would encourage anyone who is interested to join in even if its only using one or two Irish words and let the rest be in English. It really can be enjoyable and worthwhile.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 11/07/2012 12:18:33    1214512

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1753

1214491 culann id have little doubt that you would get agreement from 25 posters but the problem would be could you get those same 25 to post on one topic?

Take a thread here with ten pages, usually about 15 or 16 post on the first one or two pages but after that it is usually hijacked by three or four people having post shots at one anothe. Also look at the county threads. There are usually only five or six posters on them.

i could see posters from the obvious galway, cork , mayo, dublin, donegal,kerry tipp etc, and indeed my own county meath where the language would still be seen as vibrant in these counties, but how many would you get from others ? hard to know. plus what thread could nit those 25 posters from different counties together?

Again such a thread would be comparable with the county threads. I'm sure if there was a thread about Seánie Johnson, Áth Cliath v An Mhí (by the way do certain posters feel left out and agitated by the names of the counties being as Gaeilge), The hurling Chapionship, league predictions etc etc. there would be big take up.

can you see many from mayo or meath discussing the merits of tipp hurling? or for that how many would be discussing meaths chances of winning leinster? now ok maybe the whole seannie johnston saga would be one but i think we all can agree we have enough of them in english, just cant see it working as a separate forum as one off threads yes where some people can speak in bilingual but not individually, but good luck with it anyway and fair play for having a new idea

Thanks. If it works i'm sure it won't do any harm to anyone and I am sure it would benefit the site.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 12:22:12    1214522

culann i think htaem point about exclusion are more to do with id say maybe 60% of posters would not have a clue about posts in irish where as even the most ardent irish speaker could understand and participate in english, thats what i think he means by excluding, i dont think there is one person on hoganstand who could not understand a english language thread, where as the are plenty who could not understand irish, but anyway im not having a pop at you i think its good to get new ideas and as you may have seen i included my own name as one who would participate, even though i may need my dictionary for some lol

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/07/2012 12:24:20    1214524

agus ?

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2954 - 11/07/2012 12:25:56    1214528

Corkcelt,
The sort of thread I encisage would be inclusive of all you would like to use their cupla focal, their fluency etc. I started this thread because of the negativity and bad manners shown to Irish language thread and Irish language posters I started the day before yesterday. All I want is section where people can express themselves as Gaeilge (regardless of leels of fluency) without being rudely insulted or put off. Something positive!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 12:27:18    1214533

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1754
, but anyway im not having a pop at you i think its good to get new ideas and as you may have seen i included my own name as one who would participate, even though i may need my dictionary for some lol

I understand that and respect that. It wouldn't be long before you were posting as Gaeilge amháin!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 12:30:10    1214543

Corkcelt,
The sort of thread I encisage would be inclusive of all you would like to use their cupla focal, their fluency etc. I started this thread because of the negativity and bad manners shown to Irish language thread and Irish language posters I started the day before yesterday. All I want is section where people can express themselves as Gaeilge (regardless of leels of fluency) without being rudely insulted or put off. Something positive!

I back this idea. I am not fluent in Irish, but this cannot hurt. All I know is '1973 Thainig ar la' & the last line of the National Anthem is 'c'mon Limmmmmrick'

But an Irish section sounds like a great idea & should promote the language & good manners.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6548 - 11/07/2012 12:31:46    1214546

now anyone who insults people for speaking in irish i have no time for, i hadnt seen the thread before this but thats just rude, no need for it

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/07/2012 12:32:07    1214547

Royaldunne ni raibh a fhios agam go bhfuil tu a fear Lu?

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 11/07/2012 12:39:02    1214558

OK Culann put me down as one of the 25. Now I must admit I had a bit of help as my daughter who is pretty fluent was available to assist, my standard is likely to drop over the season and I will do well to avoid relegation to the lower Divisions

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 11/07/2012 12:39:54    1214562

What would concern me more is the standard of English on Hogan Stand....so don't be so quick to knock the Gaeilge as being a language very few would understand....

Sin é mo thuairim....níl rud ar bith níos measa na daoine ag cur an cos isteach in ár dteanga dúcháis.... Más main le daoine an Ghaeilge a úsáid, ní fheicim fadhb ar bith le sin...!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 11/07/2012 12:43:30    1214574

County: Meath
Posts: 1756

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Mick14
County: Limerick
Posts: 762

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Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 369

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royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1749

1214435 culann i know what you are saying but the sad facts are the majority of posters on this site do not have the level of irish that would enable them to contribute at anything other than a very basic level, can you imagine a thread on meath v dublin been in irish? while certain parts of meath are fluent irish speakers the majority would not have a clue, same as dublin, plus the inevitable slagging etc would be alot harder to express in irish,
there is also a theory that to speak in a language the majority would not understand would do nothing to promote the idea that the poster is putting across.
sad but those are the facts, english is the spoken word and the language 90% of people use day in day out as communication

I think you would be surprised. As I said above there would be at least as many posts on threads as Gaeilge as there would be on the average county thread. These counties threads are small but some of the informations and discussion on them are better then what you get on the main forum - in my opinion. I think you'd be suprised how many people would post on the ones as Gaeilge.

To find out I'll ask the question. Who would like to post as Gaeilge on Hogan Stand. Lets see hom many we'll get. If there is 25 would that justify it?

1. Cullen
2. Olibhear
3. Mick14
4. Mise
5. Ceann mór - cupla focal amháin

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 11/07/2012 12:45:07    1214577

corkcelt
County: Cork
Posts: 3297

1214562 OK Culann put me down as one of the 25. Now I must admit I had a bit of help as my daughter who is pretty fluent was available to assist, my standard is likely to drop over the season and I will do well to avoid relegation to the lower Divisions

Good man. It wouldn't be long before you were up with the Cill Chainnigh s of this world!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 12:51:03    1214588

To find out I'll ask the question. Who would like to post as Gaeilge on Hogan Stand. Lets see hom many we'll get. If there is 25 would that justify it?

1. Cullen
2. Olibhear
3. Mick14
4. Mise
5. Ceann mór - cupla focal amháin
bumpernut , 11/07/2012 at 12:45

Bheadh fáilte roimh chách ar an cineál snátha a bheadh uaimse. All would be welcome on this sort of forum I'd like to see.

Would anyone from Hogan Stand be willing to let us know what they think?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 13:00:21    1214608

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 3698

1214508 With all due respect Culann, I think the Gaa have a very minimal roll in promoting the Irish language these days, it looks to me like they're doing more as a formality than anything else. The Gaa's number one aim in this day and age is the same as any other business, to make money and hold their own with the competition.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. In fact, I would say the Irish language sector - Raidió na Gaeltachta, TG4, Conradh na Gaeilge, Gael Linn, Gaelscéal, Coiste Chomórtas Peile na Gaeltachta, Na Gaeil Óga, Laochra Loch Laoi setc.. - do more to promote gaelic games then the GAA do to promote Gaeilge.

But back to your main point, I can't see why HS would bother creating a forum exclusively for Irish speakers unless they were certain that a large portion of people would actually engage in it and I just don't think they would get the numbers required to make it worth while.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see but there is being a lot more positives things being posted than negative so I wouldn't be so sure. The administrators on this form don't seem to have any problem with Gaeilge only threads on the site so I cannot see any problem for them going a step further.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 13:47:33    1214690

While flicking through the county forum I thought maybe an Irish language section could be affordred the same sort of layout which could include a forum and newsfeeds that would consit of the following.

- Gaeltacht team results from all seven Gaeltacht counties
- Na Gaeil Óga agus Laochra Loch Lao results
- Articles from Foinse and Gaelscéal
- GAA related press releases from TG4 and Raidió na Gaeltachta
- News regarding Irish language competitions and sponsorship - Comórtas Peile na Gaeltachta included here
- News on the broadcasting of games - after all TG4 televise more games than any other station
- Nws on the broadcasting of GAA related programmes - Laochra Gael, Seó Spóirt, GAA Gold, Cúil na bliana srl...

I'm sure it would be at least as busy as any county foram. What do the eople who work for Hogan Stand think? Would you be on for it?

Again any 'Gael' or Irish person on this site who had a problem with the language wouldn't have to see unless the person wanted to.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 13:55:34    1214702

Cuir mise ar an liosta den 25 fosta...

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 11/07/2012 14:07:05    1214717

Lifford Gael
County: Donegal
Posts: 1327

1214717
Cuir mise ar an liosta den 25 fosta...

Beidh se costas tu.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 11/07/2012 14:15:30    1214750

I'd imagine everyone who can speak Irish can also speak English so there's no need for such a forum. The GAA is divisive and exclusionary enough without GAA websites following suit by creating a forum where only a select few can contribute. You also have to take into account that Irish is by and large a dead language so why go to the bother of creating this forum when it would only be for a handful of people. A non-starter I'm afraid

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/07/2012 14:26:33    1214777