DHarpsman
County: Armagh
Posts: 330

Don't worry, I leave that to the Down management and players to concentrate on!

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 09/07/2012 17:37:03    1213135

Well Sean Og all I can say is agent O'Rourke did his job well ;)

MissDownFanatic (Down) - Posts: 411 - 09/07/2012 17:55:42    1213148

MissDownFanatic
Yes Agent O'Rourke did do his job well, it was probably the worst day in Armagh's history when he was given the job, still he did beat you's twice in the League Final and the Championship. And if you want to live in the present then lets talk about the 2 All Ireland titles already in Armagh this year thanks to our hurlers and Crossmaglen! How do ya like them apples!

DHarpsman (Armagh) - Posts: 409 - 10/07/2012 11:23:32    1213479

down bucks gone quiet I see!

DHarpsman (Armagh) - Posts: 409 - 11/07/2012 16:33:55    1214942

Armagh could do worse then put out the Cross team.

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 752 - 11/07/2012 17:10:46    1214992

Paddy O' Rourke was agood manager for Armagh as he didn't take a penny - Co. Boards view point,

but for all of us and thee are many believe Paddy is a nice man, was a tough footballer and a very passionate gaa man, was clearly out of his dept weather it was with down or armagh,
1. i've seen 95% of all armagh matches during his reign, championship, league, mckenna, friendly and tournament but paddy has no tactics, no self belief and no killer instinct
2. armagh hammered donegal 2 years ago - if anything the armagh panel has got better , but under good leadeship donegal has improved
3. armagh hace failed to score more than 12 scores in more than 80% of their matches in the last 12 months - something wrong
4. i'm not toooooooo dispondant but the minors (who were v. good) u-21's ( potential V. Good) were knocked out early this year
5. most counties have cycles - now its armagh turn - but it is self inflicted

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 12/07/2012 16:50:37    1216000

10/07/2012 11:23:32
Yes Agent O'Rourke did do his job well, it was probably the worst day in Armagh's history when he was given the job, still he did beat you's twice in the League Final and the Championship. And if you want to live in the present then lets talk about the 2 All Ireland titles already in Armagh this year thanks to our hurlers and Crossmaglen! How do ya like them apples!


That second All Ireland would be.. the Nicky Rackard Cup? Now come on, who's clutching at straws here now? ;-) An Ulster Final appearance and All Ireland final appearance in the last 3 years versus.... um.... the Nicky Rackard! Of course, how could I forget. :-P Man if only I could have those glory days! You've just got to take it one step at a time... :(

Oh course, being in an Ulster Final while Armagh couldn't even string a win together in the Championship does help to ease the pain ;-)

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 12/07/2012 17:16:44    1216034

ballybannongael
From 2000-2009 Kerry won 5 All Ireland's. That's 5 in 10 years compared to the 5 you won in 127 years! That you's boast about it is embarrassing, like Trrone with their 3 stars on the jersey! Ulster as a province has 16 All Ireland's, less than half of what Kerry have and less than Dublin. Keep quiet.

How did I miss this! 5 in 10 years, pretty damned impressive alright. Does make that 1 in 127 years look even worse though ;-)

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 12/07/2012 17:21:11    1216039

Armaghgeddon

1212968 Down posters on here really do spout some rubbish



I'm afriad it's your fellow countymen spouting the rubbish around here at the minute! Grasping at straws with 3rd level hurling trophies to their name is a little embarrassing.

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 12/07/2012 17:31:39    1216046

To my down friends

i will be in clones next week and i would like to see down win, many armagh people would like to see them win, they haven't won anything at senior level since 1994 ( a long time)

as regards slagging the armagh hurlers, i don't think there are any down men on the armagh team but at minor, u-21 and senior level there are armagh men from Killevey, Mullabawn and Corrinshego to name a just a few.

I was at the Fermanagh and Monaghan games and was surprised by the 'lack' of the 'massive' Down support....... Yes , down senior are going in the right direction and good luck to them, but they haven't won anything yet, and if i hear 5 all- irelands again , i might just say Cavan are the strongest team in ulster win 5 'sams' and 50 plus anglo celts.....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 12/07/2012 19:13:36    1216144

DownInDublin
Typical arrogant nuc nuc nuc. There are a handful of hurling sides in Armagh, for them or any other minor hurling county to win a title is worth respecting and recognising. As for your 5, fine achievement I have no problem with that but its the way you's always bang on about it. Fr the size of down you should have won a lot more so your 5 is actually under achieving, as is our 1 to an extent. Galway have 9 titles (4 more than you, including 3 in a row in your glorious '60's) they don't harp on about it. I was with Galway people in '97 when they won it and they celebrated but were of the mindset that it was about time they'd won it. They see 9 as a massive under achievement.

As for Armagh we may be hurting but remind me again who we beat in the League Final in 2010 and in the Championship last year? You've convieniently forgotten that and when you are boasting about making an Ulster Final and being beaten in an All Ireland Final it shows how far the 'mighty' down have fallen. Good luck in the final, Garvey will be a handful, oh wait he can't play! Ha ha ha. Could you's not get the money changed into Euros quick enough? That counter at the Buttercrane is very slow.
20 years since you beat us in the Championship
18 years since you've won anything!

DHarpsman (Armagh) - Posts: 409 - 13/07/2012 10:29:56    1216330

DownInDublin
Typical arrogant nuc nuc nuc. There are a handful of hurling sides in Armagh, for them or any other minor hurling county to win a title is worth respecting and recognising. As for your 5, fine achievement I have no problem with that but its the way you's always bang on about it. Fr the size of down you should have won a lot more so your 5 is actually under achieving, as is our 1 to an extent. Galway have 9 titles (4 more than you, including 3 in a row in your glorious '60's) they don't harp on about it. I was with Galway people in '97 when they won it and they celebrated but were of the mindset that it was about time they'd won it. They see 9 as a massive under achievement.

As for Armagh we may be hurting but remind me again who we beat in the League Final in 2010 and in the Championship last year? You've convieniently forgotten that and when you are boasting about making an Ulster Final and being beaten in an All Ireland Final it shows how far the 'mighty' down have fallen. Good luck in the final, Garvey will be a handful, oh wait he can't play! Ha ha ha. Could you's not get the money changed into Euros quick enough? That counter at the Buttercrane is very slow.
20 years since you beat us in the Championship
18 years since you've won anything!

Haha oh my, you really are hurting aren't you? I don't believe I nor any other Down people mentioned the 5 All Irelands (or anything history related) until you mentioned that we hadn't won any Championship silverware in 18 years. Now if you're going to be dragging up ancient history (which, I'm sorry, any Armagh footballing triumph is at the minute), don't be surprised when people start mentioning our own history!

Anyway, I never said Down were world beaters. Far from it! We'll probably get whomped on Sunday week, but at least we're there. And it's pretty sweet that you can't stand it! I mean, what in the world does Galway having 9 All Irelands have to do with anything? And while I'm sure that Armagh winning the Nicky Rackard is probably a decent achievement (don't follow hurling), again what does it have to do with football? And then you finish it all off with a sly wee did about Garvey and then another "history lesson" (remember - if we're doing history that is - 5 All Irelands! :-P) Oh yeah, and that Division 2 League final loss really hurt, we never realy got over that in 2010. :-( And it's kinda sad how far the "mighty" Armagh have fallen when all they have to celebrate is a Division 2 league win (hey maybe you'll win it again in 2013! probably not though) and a Championship win last year!

Anyway, it's pretty awesome and hilarious to see those straws your grasping at, this must be a tough time for you. :-)

cuchulainn35 - I never meant to slag off the Armagh hurlers, but to bring it up in a conversation about Armagh football was pretty irrelevant.

Anyway I don't mean to drag this too far off topic, it is meant to be about Paddy O'Rourke. How in the world you stuck with that goon for so long is a mystery to me! And like an earlier Down poster, I was happy enough he stayed :-P. But who do you guys thing you're going to get in now?

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 13/07/2012 13:16:17    1216498

Down in Dublin you brought up the hurling issue,
1. There seems to be a rather negative trend going on hear,
2. most armagh people would like to see down win next sunday, myself included,
3. There are down peole involved in armagh clubs, most notably,Eire Og, St. Peters, Killevey and Corrinshego and there are armagh people involved in down clubs such as St. Michaels, Newry Shamrocks etc
4. Armagh's Alf Murray was president of the GAA was born and raised in Co. Down
5. Greg Blaney was a great footballer , his father captained Armagh to an -All- Ireland minor title - many eposides of cross -overs
6. James McCartan was going to transfer to Armagh until he injured himself
7. As i said in a previous post there are a number of Newry Shamrock hurlers who represent Down at all levels but are Armagh men, born, raised and currently living in co. armagh
8. A number of referees officiate in both counties, most notably Frank McDonald who is amember of both Cross and Newry Bosco
9. We have Down Co. Board officials living in Co. armagh and vice versa
10. All of the above like to see both counties progess
11. Yes Down in dublin is correct that Armagh folk shouldn't screem from the roof tops about the NFL Div 2 victory 2 years ago - but fact is Armagh beat Down in that game, a game which had 15 -18,000 aramgh/down folk in an over-all attendence of 25,000 - so it did matter.
12. Down are in a final -great, but the reality is they are outsiders ( will work in their favour) - but they beat Fermanagh who had a man sent off and Monaghan who blow a 9 point lead. I do believe that Armagh with the right man will be back as contenders for Ulster at least
13. POK is a gaa man and a nice man but not the right man - that has nothing to do with where he's from. Down have an armagh man in the form of A. O'Rourke as an assistant this year, while in 2003 when Down last reached the Ulster final Down had a culloville man as a physio and a Corrinshego man as a Stats man,
14. young gough transfered to down this year, and there was no objection from the armagh co. board etc
15. rivalry is good and essential for a competitive spirit but we have more in common than you think................................
16. on a serious note though, which county has the stronger club structure...

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 13/07/2012 15:13:24    1216650

cuchulainn35, actually DHarpsman brought up the hurling, following with "howdya like them apples", so it seemed right only to reply. Also I must say, a great post! I think you've misunderstood me though, and you're dead right we have plenty in common, being GAA men being the very least of it, and I was never trying to stir up any bad blood. In fact, looking through the thread I was only replying to all the balls spouted by that DHarpsman tube (who seems to have misplaced his medication :-P)

And you're dead right about both O'Rourkes, we looked a lot better defensively (in the league anyway) with Aidan there, and while Paddy seems a nice chap and is a GAA man through and through, he's no tactical mastermind. Wasn't for us either, threw away the Ulster Final in 2003 and I can remember him jumping up the sidelines trying to get the crowd going. Look at the game for god's sake! And you're also dead right about us being rank outsiders next Sunday (well not 4/1 bad, but it's not looking great), but it should be a bit of craic anyway.

Although you say that plenty of Armagh men want us to win next Sunday? While there is obviously still plenty in common between Down and Armagh, I'd say that one of those would be that we wouldn't want to see the other win anything! :-P Rivalries are there for a reason after all

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 13/07/2012 15:41:42    1216691

very good

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 13/07/2012 17:58:08    1216802

Great stuff

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 13/07/2012 20:23:16    1216890

typical down resorting to snide personal insults, classy to the end. Have a look back and see it was a down man on here who started the jibes not me. As for hurting, we are over that. If I or anyone hung their life on their county team they'd have a pretty miserable existence. The bottom line is you have been quick to gloss over us beating you in the the past 2 years. If you made the AI Final I would support you's like I did in '91, '94 and '10 but I know quite a few down people who did not want us to win in '02 and that will always stick in the memory of Armagh people. You's rammed enough down our throats for years especially during our 17 year drought so I won't apologise for enjoying some fun at your expense. My reference to Galway is comparing the fact you are big counties and have underachieved given your size and football status. Since '68 you've won only 5 Ulster titles and while I appreciate Ulster is a hard province my point is you and Galway didn't kick on from a decade which gave you the tools to create a tradition of winning like Kerry and Dublin have.

DHarpsman (Armagh) - Posts: 409 - 16/07/2012 10:47:12    1218667

16/07/2012 10:47:12
DHarpsman
County: Armagh
Posts: 337

1218667 typical down resorting to snide personal insults, classy to the end. Have a look back and see it was a down man on here who started the jibes not me. As for hurting, we are over that. If I or anyone hung their life on their county team they'd have a pretty miserable existence. The bottom line is you have been quick to gloss over us beating you in the the past 2 years. If you made the AI Final I would support you's like I did in '91, '94 and '10 but I know quite a few down people who did not want us to win in '02 and that will always stick in the memory of Armagh people. You's rammed enough down our throats for years especially during our 17 year drought so I won't apologise for enjoying some fun at your expense. My reference to Galway is comparing the fact you are big counties and have underachieved given your size and football status. Since '68 you've won only 5 Ulster titles and while I appreciate Ulster is a hard province my point is you and Galway didn't kick on from a decade which gave you the tools to create a tradition of winning like Kerry and Dublin have.


Snide personal insults? Something along the lines of "Why not concentrate on trying to win your first trophy in 18 years!!!!! Paddy would go well with you losers!" perhaps? Or are you maybe just a bit unhappy that "Down bucks" aren't so quiet? ;-) Also - "You's rammed enough down our throats for years especially during our 17 year drought so I won't apologise for enjoying some fun at your expense" - but us having a little fun at your expense is so out of line as to be unbelievable? I don't think the Galway comparison is relevant at all, I'd say Armagh with only 1 have underacheived much more as you definitely should have won another AI in that period.

And for the record I grew up with Armagh dominating Ulster and being told that our last All-Ireland was ancient history, so it's nice to have the tables turned a little. :-P Although I can't say I begrudged the first AI, anything after that though I can't say I'd be following Armagh. It's a rivarly for a reason after all! I can't imagine many Meath men wanting the Dubs to win last year either, but it's not a bad thing. Similarly I wouldn't imagine we'll be getting much support from the Orchard next week, and I wouldn't expect it either!

And I'll gloss over the Division 2 loss all day long, but last year's championship exit was rough, I'll tell you that. Still got further though :-P

Anyway man let's leave it at that - who do you fancy to take over from Paddy anyway?

DownInDublin (Down) - Posts: 63 - 16/07/2012 11:36:42    1218752

This initial post was who should replace O.O.R -

1. someone who will communicate to his assistant
2. someone who will let the u-21 players play/train fo their county
3. someone who has an indept knowledge of the local game
4. someone who has a knowledge of tactics

The players are there, but the background is a shambles......

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 16/07/2012 11:55:48    1218797

My insults were general, calling me a tube was personal. You are obviously a young buck and don't know the old Ulster code of always following the Ulster champions in Croke Park no matter who they were. It still annoys the Dubs that they supported us in the AI Minor in '92 yet we supported Donegal in the Final. I have no time for Tyrone but still suported them in '05 and '08. I wanted Tony McEntee but it looks like he won't take it. I'd like to see Paul McGrane involved, all the talk is of Geezer but the bottom line is he has won nothing. We need someone to beat Cross, bad as it sounds if they win Armagh so we could get a free year with all their players available.

DHarpsman (Armagh) - Posts: 409 - 16/07/2012 12:01:27    1218807