Its the euro distraction! Same as the 'obama' and 'english queen' distraction's last year!
The mainstream media will do anything to distract us from the fact that the country is going
down the tubes!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 08/06/2012 16:13:57    1189908

08/06/2012 15:24:03
mod
County: Mayo
Posts: 466

1189850 Gigoer your statement beggars belief, All GAA followers want is fair play from our national broadcaster, Check out RTE player 6:01 news there is NO pre match coverage to very major GAA matches this weekend. It doesn't get much bigger than Cork v Kerry Tyrone v Armagh. Why? Lets deal with the facts here. To paraphrase yourself is it because there are some folk in RTE & its following who are too clannish, self centered and perhaps even greedy to think that our GAA have a right to exist.
There is no coverage of GAA during Oct to Jan club championship ignored focus on Premiership and Heineken Cup + Rabo pro 12 + and autumn internationals. Minimal coveage of league football and hurling Jan to May focus on Premiership FA Cup Six Nations Heineken and Rabo. Now we are in June the heart of the GAA season and all week the focus is on Euro and New Zealand (rugby).
We all pay a licence fee GAA are our national and most popular sports and are being starved of coverage unless it is negative.

You cant compare coverage of club GAA games to to provincial heineken cup/pro 12/international rugby games, soccer fa premiership games.
Yes there is poor coverage of the national leagues but that isnt helped by players/management/supporters alike saying that its only the league and the championship is all that matters.
RTE is not biased in favour of rugby or soccer ahead of the GAA.
There is no coverage of the club championships on RTE as TG4 pay for the rights to show those games and to be fair TG4 show plenty of club games and club games are very expensive to show as the viewing figures are never that big which doesnt attract sponsors in the same way county/provincial/national sides attract sponsors.
We havent been in the european championships since our sole appearance in 88 and in a major championship in a decade so of course that will take over the medias attention.
And to be fair early june is not the "heart of the GAA season". July and August are the real heart of the GAA season when finals are played and the early games are out of the way

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/06/2012 16:17:59    1189912

"With regard to our obsession with all things British, of course it goes well beyond pop culture. To find out what policies or initiatives the government is going to launch, you need only watch the BBC news the week before to see what's happening in Westminster. Our inability to look beyond Britain for inspiration is truly depressing and highlights, to me, the real lack of leadership that this country has suffered since Lemass. Haughey, it has to be said, had a few great ideas, like the Discovery Program, but for the most part our political class seems to be totally in thrall to our nearest neighbours. Of course that isn't to say the Brits aren't capable of the occasional stroke of brilliance, but to limit ourselves to them has stymied the political and social development of this country. Which is a real shame, because at heart, and historically, we're much more European in mindset than the British."

Especially depressing when you consider how little remains of actual British culture. These days it's all dumbed down X Factor, Big Brother, Eastenders shows along with the Premiership & terrible pop music.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 08/06/2012 16:26:12    1189919

We havent been in the european championships since our sole appearance in 88 and in a major championship in a decade so of course that will take over the medias attention.
And to be fair early june is not the "heart of the GAA season". July and August are the real heart of the GAA season when finals are played and the early games are out of the way
ormondbannerman , 08/06/2012 at 16:17

You made a lot of sensible points above but i have difficulty with this part I have quoted. Corcaigh agus Ciarraí are playing. So are Ard Mhacha agus Tír Eoghain. Three out of the previous four winners of Sam Maguire and not a mention in the main sports pages of the Times and the Indo's websites. The GAA season is well and truely underway. This year the English/International soccer season will run for about 11 months with non-stop priority coverage in the media. Come on, think about it rationally.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 08/06/2012 16:28:29    1189921

Have to agree with Culann to a large degree. I love the Euros, but would always want to see big Gaelic football matches before the Rep Of Ireland. Wouldn't miss Cork, Kerry , Armagh and Tyrone. They are the big events for me this weekend although hopefully I can catch everything.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 08/06/2012 16:34:27    1189925

Club and Country before county.

allSOran (Sligo) - Posts: 690 - 08/06/2012 16:37:53    1189928

Would have to go for Antrim to win sam or liam.

North Side Gael (None) - Posts: 1076 - 08/06/2012 16:41:43    1189935

Keeper7: The "deficiencies" in British culture has been an academic talking point for years. The perceived absence of an English mythology system for example, was what prompted Tolkien, in large part, to create Middle Earth. He blamed the arrival of the Normans for the destruction of the English identity, something that arguably continues today; just look at the furore over there when the last government suggested the idea of a national day to celebrate Britain. No-one could agree what being British meant!

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3151 - 08/06/2012 16:45:41    1189938

08/06/2012 16:28:29
Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 258

1189921 We havent been in the european championships since our sole appearance in 88 and in a major championship in a decade so of course that will take over the medias attention.
And to be fair early june is not the "heart of the GAA season". July and August are the real heart of the GAA season when finals are played and the early games are out of the way
ormondbannerman , 08/06/2012 at 16:17

You made a lot of sensible points above but i have difficulty with this part I have quoted. Corcaigh agus Ciarraí are playing. So are Ard Mhacha agus Tír Eoghain. Three out of the previous four winners of Sam Maguire and not a mention in the main sports pages of the Times and the Indo's websites. The GAA season is well and truely underway. This year the English/International soccer season will run for about 11 months with non-stop priority coverage in the media. Come on, think about it rationally.

Their is several big games and they are huge games with some great sides playing but we are not in the heart of the season. Neither game will really be remembered in 6 months time, they are only provincial quarters/semis. Not winning doesnt end your season, when the provincial finals are played and the qualifiers are at round 3/4 then we will be in the "heart of the season".
TBF the papers will have plenty on the championship in tomorrow and sundays papers

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/06/2012 16:46:42    1189939

Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 258

yeah i can never understand how people say they won follow the airticity league because its crap they say but yet they follow ireland and they are crap too
they follow british soccer teams and yet hate the english national team which is made up of players from the clubs they chear for wek in week out

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2012 16:55:51    1189950

Their is several big games and they are huge games with some great sides playing but we are not in the heart of the season. Neither game will really be remembered in 6 months time, they are only provincial quarters/semis. Not winning doesnt end your season, when the provincial finals are played and the qualifiers are at round 3/4 then we will be in the "heart of the season".
TBF the papers will have plenty on the championship in tomorrow and sundays papers

Well if thats your argument then there is no point in watching the European Championships until the second game. Sure its only the start and Ireland can afford to lose that one and it won't end the season.

The English/international soccer season will have gone on for 11 months with non-stop from start to finish priority coverage in all 'Irish' newspapers and 'Irish' television stations except for TG4. I'm not complaining. I am just describing to you how things are, in my opinion. Its about time 'Irish' newspapers and television stations gave priority to things Irish, starting with our games which are run by by far the biggest sporting organisation in the country.

If it is a thing that Irish people would prefer their wall to wall coverage of x factor, eastenders, Corrie and Man Uunited they should be given the option to buy English versions of English newspapers.

I am going a bit off topic hear but I had been responding to you and addressing others people points today and I think they are interlinked.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 08/06/2012 16:57:25    1189951

keeper7
County: Longford
Posts: 783

your right we have had threads on here complaining about gaa bandwagon and people going as far as to say its the biggest bandwagon sport well you only have to look at how many people were turning out in the aviva stadium for irelands qualifiers 20-30 thousand and now look how many claim to be loyal supporters of them and looking for tickets to go over and buntings and flags if ever their was bandwagon supporters its them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2012 17:02:48    1189956

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
Posts: 2304

1189788
just look at the thousands of sheep who have bought into euro 2012 since the media has gone into overdrive on it

So what? It's bringing about a bit of excitement and buzz in these terribly dreary times. More power to them I say!

why cant they do the same for our own sports?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2012 17:03:48    1189957

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1952

yes ormond you can compare the all ireland club championships to them other sports for the main fact that they are played in ireland which is why you watch the irish sports news to see irish sport showing every single english and scottish soccer result is not irish sports news.
rte is the worst channel we have its dreadfull how your biggest viewings puller the gaa gets no air time on the national news,the gaa should do the right thing and pull out of rte next year and let setanta,tv3 and tg4 take over the championship matches they promote it at least.
you say tg4 have rights for the national league true but sky sports have the rights for the premiership and yet they still report on it.
mr rugby ryle nugent came out only a couple of weeks ago and stated that the all ireland championships would be rtes main sporting preferance for the summer as its their bread and butter but yet what have they done to promote it.early septmeber and up to christmas are not the heart of rugby and soccer seasons either but they get full attention

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2012 17:13:07    1189966

ormond

also if thats your pint then what is the point of them bigging up the euros until the quarter finals as thats when gets knockout
or the heinken cup as it dont get any good untill quarter finals,and as for the rabo direct its a second string league and it still gets more publicity then the national league.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/06/2012 17:17:35    1189967

mod
County: Mayo
Posts: 466

1189850 Gigoer your statement beggars belief, All GAA followers want is fair play from our national broadcaster, Check out RTE player 6:01 news there is NO pre match coverage to very major GAA matches this weekend. It doesn't get much bigger than Cork v Kerry Tyrone v Armagh. Why? Lets deal with the facts here. To paraphrase yourself is it because there are some folk in RTE & its following who are too clannish, self centered and perhaps even greedy to think that our GAA have a right to exist.
There is no coverage of GAA during Oct to Jan club championship ignored focus on Premiership and Heineken Cup + Rabo pro 12 + and autumn internationals. Minimal coveage of league football and hurling Jan to May focus on Premiership FA Cup Six Nations Heineken and Rabo. Now we are in June the heart of the GAA season and all week the focus is on Euro and New Zealand (rugby).
We all pay a licence fee GAA are our national and most popular sports and are being starved of coverage unless it is negative.

I'm not talking about TV stations, but given that you mention it, there is GAA Beo and many club matches shown on TG4 through the winter along with League Sunday on RTE2, and now that the summer is here, you have the Saturday Game (if that's what they still call it), the Sunday game in the afternoon, the Sunday game on Sunday night and Marty Morrissey (whatever that show is called now) during the week. Not to mention many shows recounting classics on TG4.

That you would actually compare this to the Premiership & Heineken is laughable - RTE doesn't even have the rights to show those competitions nor are they showing the current New Zealand tour - only Soccer Saturday or whatever it's called and Heineken highlights on TG4, a mere 1-2 hour show

The GAA has plenty of coverage, particularly in comparison to those two, maybe not as much as we'd like but there are only so many broadcasting hours in the day and I'm fed up with some of these GAA followers whingeing & moaning & feeling sorry for themselves about it because there's no justification for it

Don't get me wrong, I'm not tarring all GAA supporters with that brush but with some of them there is an underlying attitude behind that sort of thing which I find pitiful.

And Yes, I know there are plenty of soccer heads out there whingeing about GAA and dissing it as bogball & stickball & all that which is just as annoying but for the actual point I was making, I shall refer you back all the way to OffalyBigBall's post when he said:

Why cant all our sports live in perfect harmony together? I dont see the problem

Because people won't let it. And that's pathetic in my book.

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 08/06/2012 17:56:51    1189985

08/06/2012 17:13:07
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1785

1189966 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1952

yes ormond you can compare the all ireland club championships to them other sports for the main fact that they are played in ireland which is why you watch the irish sports news to see irish sport showing every single english and scottish soccer result is not irish sports news.
rte is the worst channel we have its dreadfull how your biggest viewings puller the gaa gets no air time on the national news,the gaa should do the right thing and pull out of rte next year and let setanta,tv3 and tg4 take over the championship matches they promote it at least.
you say tg4 have rights for the national league true but sky sports have the rights for the premiership and yet they still report on it.
mr rugby ryle nugent came out only a couple of weeks ago and stated that the all ireland championships would be rtes main sporting preferance for the summer as its their bread and butter but yet what have they done to promote it.early septmeber and up to christmas are not the heart of rugby and soccer seasons either but they get full attention

You cant compare club GAA games to provincial rugby games. The viewin figures/attention given to club GAA games is nowhere near provincial rugby games. The market for provincial rugby games is much much bigger. RTE are poor at covering all sports- not just GAA.
08/06/2012 17:17:35
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1785

1189967 ormond

also if thats your pint then what is the point of them bigging up the euros until the quarter finals as thats when gets knockout
or the heinken cup as it dont get any good untill quarter finals,and as for the rabo direct its a second string league and it still gets more publicity then the national league.

The rabodirect isnt a 2nd string league and cant be compared to the national league in hurling or g football. The pro12 is played throughout the season unlike the national leagues in hurling/football which are played over 8-10 weeks at the start of the season.
The rabo is not a 2nd string competition.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/06/2012 18:16:11    1190008

Gigoer there are none so blind as those who will not see. GAA followers are not whinging they are just looking for fair play. I am not talking about TG4 I never mentioned TG4 (which covers alot of rugby by the way) .RTE ignores GAA as much as possible the only exception being if there is a negative incident lest you have forgotten the coverage of the Junior club All Ireland Semi which was shown 6 times on the 6:01 news plus the frontline or whatever it is called plus the Late Late. Remarkable for a station that does not cover the club senior championship.
The same 6:01 news have ignored Cork v Kerry and Tyrone v Armagh this week (check it out yourself on RTE Player) I did not see todays 6:01. But you had plenty coverage of Rugby, soccer and tennis in that same programme. This is not opinion it is fact. Your assertion that The GAA has plenty of coverage, particularly in comparison to those two is just untrue. How can they so pointedly ignore such major sporting events.
You ask Why cant all our sports live in perfect harmony together? I dont see the problem The problem is that some sports dominate the coverage throughout the entire year and our national sports are only in the spotlight for a limited period and even then the coverage is paltry. I will get back to the other points later.
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mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 08/06/2012 19:33:30    1190064

festinog,

Interesting point. Of course the Romans set out to destroy celtic Britain first & when they faded the Saxons & Angles greatly changed the culture before absolving the Danes & eventually succumbing to the Normans.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 08/06/2012 20:12:34    1190084

Great to see our neighbours in the UK celebrate the Queens Jubilee recently, still better to live in Republic though. Hope both Ireland and England do well in the Euros

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 08/06/2012 20:23:10    1190089