gilly2308
County: Galway
Posts: 795

nationalists in the North are every bit as sectarian as their Unionist brethren,

have you proof of this, post up the evidence there like a good man. PS they are not our brethren, the majority of nationalists are Catholics and not brethren. I would also point out that if you regard them as my brethren then they are also your brethren as I assume you like me are Irish.

but as this is a GAA website we only ever get to hear the Nationalist viewpoint.

I wouldn't agree with this as you and others seem to be articulating the unionist point of view quite well.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 31/05/2012 10:52:29    1184247

Tom1916
County: Armagh
Posts: 1393

1184247 gilly2308
County: Galway
Posts: 795

nationalists in the North are every bit as sectarian as their Unionist brethren,

have you proof of this, post up the evidence there like a good man. PS they are not our brethren, the majority of nationalists are Catholics and not brethren. I would also point out that if you regard them as my brethren then they are also your brethren as I assume you like me are Irish.

but as this is a GAA website we only ever get to hear the Nationalist viewpoint.

I wouldn't agree with this as you and others seem to be articulating the unionist point of view quite well




You just proved gilly's point Tom

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 31/05/2012 10:59:52    1184256

Must be a more recent thing with the pub, when at Queens in the 90's I rented a place along Lockview road and would have popped into Cutters for a pint with hurling stick in tow. I know the place has probably changed hands since then but I never had any bother and was never asked to leave (well not for wearing a GAA top or carrying the hurling stick anyhow).

spyboy (Antrim) - Posts: 343 - 31/05/2012 11:56:53    1184327

Maybe the presence of the hurley was a contributing factor to your welcome spyboy!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 31/05/2012 12:03:29    1184335

I don't think Nationalists/Catholics in the North are as sectarian as the Unionists. Unionism is just middle class loyalism thinly disguised under a veil of "tolerance". Throwing somebody out simply for wearing a GAA top is pretty disgraceful, especially if they allow northern Ireland soccer jerseys and rugby jerseys. People like GammyKnee are the reason for bigotry, discrimination and sectarianism - they let it go unchallenged.

It's also fair to say that a certain bar is definitely getting a bad review on the interwebs!

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 31/05/2012 12:21:15    1184352

Can we please sort out the latent sectarianism in our golf clubs first before: however nexttime I see one of their top brass, I shall let him know of the sentiments expressed

KevHill (Antrim) - Posts: 271 - 31/05/2012 12:57:14    1184379

If i owned a pub in Dublin (or anywhere actually) then apart from match days I would not let anybody in that was wearing a jersey!
Reason why:

1. Most of the soulless pubs in the city dont generally have a 'regular' crowd and so cater for natives, visitors, blow-ins, and tourists alike.
2. Because of point 1, there is a wish to keep things 'neutral' for everyone.
3. The nature of wearing a jersey is to show your support for a team and this could cause a bit of banter/slagging between people that may lead other punters to feel that becuase it is between a 'football crowd' that it could get worse and make them feel uncomfortable. If the same supporters where wearing 'normal apparal' then they would never know who each other supported and their would be no exchange as the issue would never come up in the first place!!
4. Football jerseys are shiney and naff to be wearing out!
5. The pub would get a name for itself as one which allows jerseys to be worn and what happens then when you slowly start to have loads of lads wearing jerseys coming through the door? Thats when the real tension starts for the regular punter and it starts to get messy and they begin to say "Oh no, dont go near that place!".

Wake up lads, jerseys are a big "NO WAY" in city pubs where the object is to please the masses and not the few!

On the other hand, out in the suburban pubs you will have no problems because its a 'local' crowd!

Anyway, the wearing of jerseys to a pub is soooo naff and chav like I dont know why any lad would do it!!!.....Its dreadful!!

'Ironed shirts and tucked in only please'!! would be my line on the door!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 31/05/2012 13:05:16    1184388

Why are no posts defending Cutter's allowed? It's literally a stones throw from my house and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It's primarily a Rugby pub but is in no way sectarian

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 31/05/2012 13:10:40    1184395

OgraAnDun
County: Down
Posts: 32

1184352 I don't think Nationalists/Catholics in the North are as sectarian as the Unionists. Unionism is just middle class loyalism thinly disguised under a veil of "tolerance". Throwing somebody out simply for wearing a GAA top is pretty disgraceful, especially if they allow northern Ireland soccer jerseys and rugby jerseys. People like GammyKnee are the reason for bigotry, discrimination and sectarianism - they let it go unchallenged.

It's also fair to say that a certain bar is definitely getting a bad review on the interwebs!

it's people like yourself and ulsterman that's keeping bigotry, discrimination and sectarianism alive and well.............it doesn't really surprise me that you believe that meeting fire with fire is the only way of challenging something..........

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 31/05/2012 13:26:18    1184419

Ah excellent detective work Ulsterman, i cant believe you waste so much time on here when there are so many crimes going unsolved in the UK

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 31/05/2012 13:26:51    1184420

Maybe not sectarian pp but definately open to accusations of bias and total double standards. If the owners state that soccer tops are also banned but people on HS have stated that is nonsense then the bar must come out and give it's reasons for asking those customers wearing GAA tops to leave. Stranmillis is a very mixed area and Cuttars Wharf should be one of those places where people from all backgrounds ahould be welcomed and accommodated. This smacks of appeasing the swanky Unionist rugger types who also frequent the place. Have any GAA officials or bodies asked questions yet? If not why not?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 31/05/2012 13:34:48    1184433

link

Things havent changed so much. Brolly addressed the issue of protestants and GAA in his column last week link

Trouble is, Unionism is inbred, and all many unionsist know is that Irish = Bad, they dont necessarily understand why they think it but it is the case. Overcoming and standing up to situations like those at Cutter's is how this inbred sectarianism is going to be eliminated (for both sides of the community may I add).

I laughed one day when standing Europa bus centre in Belfast. There was a trio next behind me in the queue, and the tatoos and their talk clearly told me they were unionists and marchers. A Bus Eireann pulled in and immediately their conversation turned to how offensive it was that the bus had Irish writing on it! Summed it up for me.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 31/05/2012 13:36:23    1184436

Seriously BadMonkey, 33 seconds between posts??

As for PP's post, maybe it is not sectarian however surely questions have to be asked why specifically a GAA top is deemed unsuitable whilst rugby and soccer tops are not? Our GAA club has never asked anyone wearing a soccer or rugby top to leave despite it being a GAA bar!!

The previous posts intimating that there are certain pubs you can't wear a gaa/celtic/rangers top are missing the point. Obviously in Sandy Row a Celtic top is not likely to last long as is a Rangers top on the Falls Road, however Stranmillis is reasonably mixed and would not be immediately identifiable as anything other than a mixed area.

Overall however I do not feel that it is an issue worth an article in the Irish News or on the bbc news

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 31/05/2012 13:46:42    1184456

I wouldn't wear a Cavan jersey in Kells.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 31/05/2012 13:59:28    1184474

it's people like yourself and ulsterman that's keeping bigotry, discrimination and sectarianism alive and well.............it doesn't really surprise me that you believe that meeting fire with fire is the only way of challenging something..........


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You hit someone were it hurts - in this case their profit margins! You are the one who would keep sectarianism and discrimination through a policy if appeasement and ignorance - thank God the whole country isn't like you or else we would still be under foreign rule (in the South) and/or treated as second class citizens (in the north). Not that it would matter to you over in the US anyway.

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 31/05/2012 14:11:50    1184490

omaghredhand.........easy to do...... just have two tabs open with different user names, have your posts written and just post them simultaneously .............get real, badmonkey is a different person

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 31/05/2012 14:12:06    1184492

Yeah but it happens every time Gammy/Badmonkey. You're the same person ;)

OgraAnDun (Down) - Posts: 406 - 31/05/2012 14:15:48    1184504

You do protest to much Gummy, you've been rumbled pp.....again!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 31/05/2012 14:17:10    1184507

Gammy_Knee
County: USA
Posts: 728

1184492
omaghredhand.........easy to do...... just have two tabs open with different user names, have your posts written and just post them simultaneously .............get real, badmonkey is a different person

I understand how it's done, however being a curious type I don't believe that much in coincidences and the fact that immediately after your two enlightening posts on the thread BM happened to post as well. If it was a two horse thread I could accept it however the fact that there are a number of posters on the threads means that a) You are the same person, 2) You are sitting beside each other.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 31/05/2012 14:21:03    1184512

The place has a dress code - get over it.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 31/05/2012 14:31:06    1184528