Jerry Wallace was on the paper lately asking that Cork club games be 'allowed to flow.' He reckons it's the only way Cork inter-county will catch up with the more physivcal style that has developed.

I disagree. I think Cork referees are ahead of the curve on this. The GAA are trying to market the game. It can't be seen as 'dangerous.' They won't allow it to go on the way it is. When referees start to enforce the rules as they are written (how they should be written is a whole other story) again, young Cork players might find themselves a little more used to that style.

That said, the physical/let it flow style has created a few great contests between KK and Tipp. The refs threw away the rule book, the game flowed, and marvelous spectacles followed. They're not going to keep tearing up the rule book though - mark my words.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 21/05/2012 15:09:07    1177236

This is all been blown out of proportion. Hurling has always been and will always be physical, it's the going out to give a player an injury is what needs to be looked at

i.e

1. Shefflin nearly losing an eye against Clare - Verdict - On purpose
2. Carey getting his nose broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
3. Leahy getting his jaw broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
4. Kirby getting his hand broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
5. Dunne pulling on Tommy Walsh's head - Verdict - On purpose

Everyone is quick to point out Tommy Walsh flicking someones helmet. What about the so called Rock continually opening Martin Comerfords helmet in an All Ireland final. Now that's thuggary. So before all ye Wexford and Cork fellas come on here and slate Kilkenny, take a look at ye're own players first because some of their actions were disgraceful and I can tell you all now, no Kilkenny man has ever gone out to take another player out.


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Outsider222 (UK) - Posts: 95 - 21/05/2012 16:09:02    1177301

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This is all been blown out of proportion. Hurling has always been and will always be physical, it's the going out to give a player an injury is what needs to be looked at

i.e

1. Shefflin nearly losing an eye against Clare - Verdict - On purpose
2. Carey getting his nose broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
3. Leahy getting his jaw broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
4. Kirby getting his hand broke against Wexford - Verdict - On purpose
5. Dunne pulling on Tommy Walsh's head - Verdict - On purpose

Everyone is quick to point out Tommy Walsh flicking someones helmet. What about the so called Rock continually opening Martin Comerfords helmet in an All Ireland final. Now that's thuggary. So before all ye Wexford and Cork fellas come on here and slate Kilkenny, take a look at ye're own players first because some of their actions were disgraceful and I can tell you all now, no Kilkenny man has ever gone out to take another player out.


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They've made you a moderator now, have they?

Take off those black and amber spectacles and you might see the world the way others see it.

I never approved of the carry on of Diammuid O'Sullivan, rewgarding interfering with other player's helments,and neither did any other Cork supporter I know. You, on the other hand, apparently think it's okay if a Kilkenny palyer does it, but not if a player from another county does it. That O'Sullivan used to do it, is, apparently, with you, an good reason for Tommy Walsh to do the same.

You are what is known as a hyprocrit.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 21/05/2012 17:07:17    1177381

No matter what player pushes or pulls at another players helmet should see red, the rule is there but it is not been used. Yes Tommy Walsh is at this in every game but is it his fault that the ref is not picking it up. Its the refs fault that this has come into the game, a great player will always play on the border of the rules but when refs dont enforce the rules well then they will keep doing this. Find it funny to watch a ref looking up in the sky after the ball in the air instead of looking ahead to where the ball will land, where the foul has already taking place and the players helmet is down over his eyes. Just cant understand how refs are not spotting this.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 21/05/2012 17:36:13    1177412

Oh well if all those 5 incidents were on purpose in your view, then that is good enough for me. The only Wexford incident you mention with even a semblance of truth was with Liam Dunne when I presume you mean the pull on Martin Comerford in the 2002 Leinster Final - that one resulted in an early shower for Liam Dunne. Didnt that incident v Clare also result in a red card for Gerry Quinn or a retrospective punishment?

Gary Kirby's hand wasnt broke against Wexford (http://www.hoganstand.com/wexford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=83390). There is no way John Leahy got his jaw broke on purpose, and if he did, then maybe it was because Conall Bonner had just broke up Rory McCarthy in the incident before and Leahy had weighed in with a kick while he was on the ground? Good for the goose good for the gander and all that.

I dont remember the Carey incident but I'm sure your taking the impartial view.....and I am of an age to remember these things.

What you are forgetting here sir, all people here are asking for is that the referees enforce the rules of the game properly and with all counties. For example, Gizzy Lyng got sent off a couple of years ago v Galway for a shoulder into the chest, but as the summer progressed shoulders into the chest were not deemed red cards when Kilkenny and others done it.

And I suppose in 2005/2006 when Tommy Walsh broke a hurl across Gizzy when he got through on goal, that was not on purpose was it?

And if you look back to the start of the thread, most people said KK were not dirty but that some incidents were going unpunished which was not right. And it was also technical fouls that people were referring to, not personal ones.

You've dragged the thread into a tit-for-tat argument about specific incidents which was not necessary to do.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 21/05/2012 18:16:25    1177467

I think most of are in agreement that this "refs should let the game flow" stuff is rubbish. And that refs should referee the game according to the rules rather than trying to make it exciting for the spectator?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2592 - 21/05/2012 19:48:06    1177569

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I think most of are in agreement that this "refs should let the game flow" stuff is rubbish. And that refs should referee the game according to the rules rather than trying to make it exciting for the spectator?

Absolutely. It's all that the most of us ask for.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 21/05/2012 20:42:11    1177638

This whole thread was in response to a newspaper article where Daithi Regan was interviewed. Looking through the thread I don't think anybody has openly stated that Kilkenny are a dirty team. However, we are talking about Kilkenny (as that is what Daithi Regan spoke about) and not Wexford or Cork. We had a thread a few weeks ago where many people contributed to how great Kilkenny where (nobody mentioned how great Wexford or Cork were at any time) and there was no issue.

However, it seems as soon as anybody even hints at anything negative about Kilkenny, the argument turns personal. It seems rather than look at what was said, better to look at who said it and just attack them. it also seems that Wexford and Cork are dirty and not Kilkenny. Kilkenny players have never gone out to deliberately injure a player ever or so we have been told. On the other hand we have loads of other disgraceful incidents of Cork and Wexford players deliberately harming others. Who would want to go the field against such savages?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/05/2012 09:31:30    1177770

Hurling is a mans game There is always an element of fouling in all contact sports the reason that it suits Kilkenny is that they are the ones who have won so much in the last few years. If you are at something the longest it is simple you will adapt to it better than anyone else. The speed of the game doesnt allow the ref the time to make all the calls you talk about. It is easy to condemn refs and whinge when you have days to analyse the game on tv. Cody replied to a question that was asked about how he would like to see the game go. He didnt come out stating that he wanted a blood bath. Daiti Regan only added his twopence to it as he hasnt being added to the RTE panel as tv3 have no hurling matches this year.

Dzer (Kilkenny) - Posts: 29 - 22/05/2012 16:21:48    1178194