Tir Conaill Abu
County: Donegal
Posts: 227

1175354 Can someone fill me in on the FACTS here.
Is Seanie Johnston living and working in Kildare?
If he's living in Kildare, how long has he been there?
If he's been living there since before he left the Cavan team I don't see why the GAA are refusing him the transfer.
If he is just living there since he left the Cavan team it shouts of abuse of the rules and would open a real can of worms to let the transfer through and would tiptoe on the edge of breaching the parish and county ethos (ideals) of the GAA.

Where in the rule book is the parish ethos mentioned. the parish rule is obsolete in urban areas

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2012 17:45:57    1175458

roast
County: Kildare
Posts: 46

1175365
if the appeal to the DRA is turned down is there anything to stop Seanie strolling to the Four Courts and getting an Injunction - the refusal on spurious grounds such as ethos is denying him a natural right to play and to be free to do so in whatever county he choses. Surely this could be seen as a restriction of a persons freedom of movement etc

Ah the old Bosman rule. Well no, the fact that GAA is amateur means he would not qualify under Bosman. Bosman only applies to free movement of workers.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 18/05/2012 18:26:35    1175491

I can't help but feel Seanie has been left with egg on his face. If he doesn't get this transfer on appeal, there's no way Cavan will have him back after this.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 18/05/2012 18:27:35    1175492

Sergeant_Slash
County: Cavan
Posts: 1473

1175492 I can't help but feel Seanie has been left with egg on his face. If he doesn't get this transfer on appeal, there's no way Cavan will have him back after this.

Probably. But why would an organisation with an amaeur ethos prevent a player from playing sport

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2012 18:40:39    1175499

I presume the ethos been referred to hear is the amateur ethos and this appears to be a professional transfer.
I feel sorry for cccc as in the rules if a player meets the conditions set out then the must allow it. Even if the are convinced those conditions are not genuine

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/05/2012 18:41:58    1175502

I think this thread is more relevant now than ever.
Why oh why would a manager? A team? And I presume a county board allow or even ask a player from another county to sit on the bench for a televised game when he is not in squad? And why would the player do the same?
It was arrogance of the highest level on all of them.
It was trying to say well he is with us so you have to let him transfer. Big mistake. The gaa are a lot more than the past 5 years and mcgeeney and co should know that.

Well done cccc.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/05/2012 18:54:58    1175517

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1021

1175502 I presume the ethos been referred to hear is the amateur ethos and this appears to be a professional transfer

Dont think so. if they had any evidence of that surely expulsion would be in order , indeed necessary. There would be a lot of people expelled if rumours of professionalism are all that is needed. they are attempting to bring in some ethos that does not exist, as they cannot find anything else in the rules to stop it.

Cavan county board don't come of this smelling of roses either

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2012 19:09:30    1175526

Really hope the CAC, DRA et al turn down this. I (and many more Kildare people) do not want him taking the place of one of our own young players.

Cilldara_2000 (Kildare) - Posts: 57 - 18/05/2012 19:20:39    1175530

Dhorse. The problem as I see it is at very beginning he wanted county transfer but to continue playing with cavan gaels. That was turned down for simple reason that if he needed a transfer cause traveling to county training etc was too much yet club training and matches he could do even though there is a lot more of them?
Then he wanted to change clubs but could not come up with documents to prove residency. Then got them. Then went back training with cavan gaels after andrews was gone. Then left and went back to kildare seniors.
There is also the known fact that a member of kildare management went and spoke to seannie before anything happened.
It is obvious to all what was going on hear and the cccc were having none of it. The truth about this may not emerge for a long time. But everyone knows it stinks to high heaven.

I recall bernard flynn in late 80s early 90s moving to mullingar. He played gor mullingar shamrocks and won a senior title with them if I recall and also believe sexton from kildare was on same team. Bernard was living and working in mullingar. He continued to play for meath. Mullingar to navan is same distance as straffan to cavan.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/05/2012 20:25:58    1175560

I think Bernard Flynn might have 6 Westmeath club winners medals.1990 ,92,93,94,95,2000. Not too sure but he was there for most if not all i think.

maroon2gold (Westmeath) - Posts: 551 - 18/05/2012 20:47:06    1175571

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1024

whatever the problems you or indeed I may see with it,GAA suits are coming out with nothing but hypocrisy. If they have problems with any of the issues you mention why dont they state what they are, with the evidence instead of hiding behind some non specific ethos status. This ethos nonsense might very well come back to haunt some people in the higher echelons in time. The payment of managers and all sorts of hangers on is totally against both the parish county ethos and the amateur status, yet they turn a blind eye and in most cases the people on the croke park commitees are from counties that are promoting the very same practices
if Cavan and johnson are never going to work together let him off.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2012 21:39:47    1175624

The early part of the 90's Flynn actually played for St Joseph's in Laois. I cannot imagine how he would have played anything in 2003 given the horrible injury that kept him out for nearly 2 years.

Johnston I agree is totally unethical in his demands but why do the GAA object to this but yet allow, Laois, Mayo, Wexford County men be on the payroll of Dublin clubs they also happen to play for?

Kildare have used the Shay Fahy/Larry Tompkins sympathy card in the past (90's really) in securing Tipperary, Cork and Kerry players and I also recalled a failed attempt with a former Galway star who acquired a very convenient job at a top club. The GAA have obviously taken exception to this and decided to put a stop to them yet they allow rich Dublin clubs to carry on as normal robbing weaker neighbours and country clubs. As I see it the GAA see Kildare as relative newcomers to the transfer market and therefore forbid them. The ridiculous 'tradition' of the Dublin superpower clubs as well as Civil Service, Garda & UCD etc taking country players as if they are providing some type of service is now outdated with modern travel.

Its time for the GAA to look at the bigger picture. Johnston is only a tiny fish in a big pond. The acquisition of players from outside parish lines is happening far too often with or without Seánie. His poor club the victim is the biggest town team in Cavan. Maybe the GAA should count how many surrounding smaller clubs have fallen victim to their bright lights.
Just a thought

rath_togh (Meath) - Posts: 740 - 18/05/2012 21:59:37    1175648

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 1024

1175517
I think this thread is more relevant now than ever.
Why oh why would a manager? A team? And I presume a county board allow or even ask a player from another county to sit on the bench for a televised game when he is not in squad? And why would the player do the same?

Have to agree with you, plus aside from what you say, if there are rules and I assume he has been denied on the basis of rules the incident you state is certainly a red rag. Too much at stake for this to go through, the only problem with the whole episode is that it is not clearer and earlier.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 19/05/2012 09:14:30    1175658

18/05/2012 20:47:06

maroon2gold
County: Westmeath
Posts: 464

1175571

I think Bernard Flynn might have 6 Westmeath club winners medals.1990 ,92,93,94,95,2000. Not too sure but he was there for most if not all i think.


Was it that many ? Cheers for that never knew how many the had won

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/05/2012 09:29:47    1175662

Saw this on another site. Really sums up the cccc nicely.

They sent him notification detailing that they did not believe he lived at a certain address, to the actual address they do not believe he lives at

Lmao.

derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 19/05/2012 10:42:41    1175683

He better reply from that address so.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 19/05/2012 11:02:36    1175688

derfil1
County: Kildare
Posts: 1289

1175683
Saw this on another site. Really sums up the cccc nicely.

They sent him notification detailing that they did not believe he lived at a certain address, to the actual address they do not believe he lives at

Lmao.


Is that actually true? Hillarious if it is.

Although it would still be possible to have post sent to x address and collect it every few days too tho so it doesn't conclusivly say anything.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 19/05/2012 11:24:57    1175699

Sergeant_Slash
County: Cavan
Posts: 1473

1175492
I can't help but feel Seanie has been left with egg on his face. If he doesn't get this transfer on appeal, there's no way Cavan will have him back after this.

Lets see how the Cavan forwards do tomorrow without him before we see who has what egg on whos face
Number 2...... Seanie would never play for Cavan again while the present management or CB are anywhere near it.....so dont worry about that ever happening
The only reason i wanted him to go and play for Kildare was to make the Cavan management the laughing stock of the country..which they probably are anyway.. and if they are not, they will be after tomorrows performance!

richiej (UK) - Posts: 1430 - 19/05/2012 11:25:39    1175700

The notification they sent to the address they don't believe he lives at was a registered letter to the address in Straffan. He was their to sign for it.

derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 19/05/2012 11:46:19    1175705

It was sent by registered letter. He had to sign for it himself. So they sent it to an address they did not believe he lived at to tell him he did not live there.
It just proves what an absolute joke the CCCC are in this regard. How can they be trusted to be impartial in any future decision.

There are a lot of posters here delighted that the CCCC ignored their own rules. It won't be funny to the next County when they send them down the river to suit their agenda. Once that genie of ignoring rules is out of the bottle and they get away with it it won't be long till they do it again. The problem is it won't be Kildare or SJ next time it will be your County or player.

fixxer (Kildare) - Posts: 202 - 19/05/2012 12:03:45    1175714