I feel that it is wrong that there is Semis for the top division and not for the rest! Puts all other counties at a disadvantage.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 10/04/2012 11:46:30    1147669

Id like to see a relegation promotion play off with second last v second top in eacd division.

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 752 - 10/04/2012 12:26:52    1147732

It's really academic for yere lot,wouldn't make a differance to ye even if they had.

mlcollins (Kerry) - Posts: 440 - 10/04/2012 12:39:09    1147758

Motion for congress??

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9003 - 10/04/2012 12:50:53    1147780

mlcollins
County: Kerry
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It's really academic for yere lot,wouldn't make a differance to ye even if they had.

your point is irrelevent. The point is if it going to be introduced for one division it should have been done for all division. Each county puts the same effort in so its a form of eliteism in a way that the teams in the top counties have to finsih in the top 4 for an extra game before championship and the other divisions its only top 2

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 10/04/2012 13:55:34    1147913

I don't see what's wrong with it.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 10/04/2012 14:11:57    1147955

If anything, they should drop the semis and fall into line with divs 2/3/4 and have a straight final between the top 2 in the division.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 10/04/2012 14:21:02    1147967

juicy,

See if you can get all the Div 3 teams to put a motion for congress next year!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 10/04/2012 14:21:37    1147968

I don't see why semi-finals can't be introduced in 2, 3 and 4, with the winning semi-finalist winning promotion. Will the final have any worth? Does it at the moment with top 2 already promoted?
I'd suggest 2, 3 and 4 finals played same weekend as division 1 semi-finals. Winners promoted. 7th higher division vs 3rd lower division in a play-off semi-final with the winner taking on the defeated finalist in a final play-off.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9003 - 10/04/2012 14:25:37    1147975

Whoever finishes top of the division/ league should win the league, thats what a league system is!
There is no need for semi-finals and finals, if you finish top you should win it, end of story.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 10/04/2012 14:32:22    1147993

legendzxix
Saying the top four play in semis with the winners getting promoted is a silly idea. Imagine in Division 2 this year if Tyrone had to play Louth in a semi and Louth beat them then Tyrone wouldn't get promotion even though their league campaign was unbeaten while Louth only picked up two wins and two draws. Promotion is based on the best teams in a league campaign, not on a knockout basis. The teams at the top are there on merit and deserve their promotion.
P.s. That was hypothetical about Tyrone and Louth, can't imagine Louth could beat that current Tyrone team!!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 10/04/2012 14:37:28    1148003

Just spelling out the reality if there were lower division semi-finals. Was waiting for that response. Personally I'd be happy if the league was over now. The league should be league.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9003 - 10/04/2012 14:50:06    1148018

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
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juicy,

See if you can get all the Div 3 teams to put a motion for congress next year!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

The Dublin hurlers should do the same thing

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 10/04/2012 15:07:25    1148040

It is a bit like the argument for introducing a play off to decide the last champions league place, it would make your league placing irrelevant. It makes sense in division 1 because promotion isnt at stake, but in the other divisions the current system works well.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 10/04/2012 15:07:32    1148041

moomoo,

Kerry hurlers have it covered!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 10/04/2012 15:14:21    1148050

Tir Conaill Abu
County: Donegal

legendzxix

"Saying the top four play in semis with the winners getting promoted is a silly idea. Imagine in Division 2 this year if Tyrone had to play Louth in a semi and Louth beat them then Tyrone wouldn't get promotion even though their league campaign was unbeaten while Louth only picked up two wins and two draws. Promotion is based on the best teams in a league campaign, not on a knockout basis. The teams at the top are there on merit and deserve their promotion.
P.s. That was hypothetical about Tyrone and Louth, can't imagine Louth could beat that current Tyrone team!!"


If everyone was made aware at the start of the leagues that semi-finals would be played to determine who would get promotion there shouldn't be any real problem with playing semi-finals.

The circumstances would therefore be changed greatly from the example you've outlined above.

Tyrone winning all their games and then failing to gain promotion by losing out in a semi-final situation would not be as disastrous as your are making it out to be once they knew at the outset that promotion would ONLY be gained by advancing to the final of your division byway of semi-finals.

Regarding the example you choose to gave however, I reckon if Tyrone are that much ahead of Louth (not doubting you for one minute)I'm sure they would have no problem reaffirming their earlier league superiority over little old Louth in a semi-final was that now asked of them. It's not a given that a county who won earlier league meeting should do so again if the teams met up in a semi-final or final.

The circumstances of teams can often change from the start of their league campaign to it's end.

Semi-finals in the lower divisions would certainly make the league climax more interesting, therefore I'd be in favour of them.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 10/04/2012 15:30:49    1148065

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
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moomoo,

Kerry hurlers have it covered!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Like always makes no sense

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 10/04/2012 15:34:53    1148078

It'd be better to scrap knock-out in the league and make time available for better structures for the championship, one being a point we discussed at length here on the hoganstand before, the Mickey Harte call for a champions round where the 4 provincial champions would play for two semi-final spots with the two defeated sides having to take on only two teams coming through from the qualifiers. Solutions need to be found to giving provincial championships an added edge.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9003 - 10/04/2012 15:39:45    1148089

Well juicy my point is a relavent point,maybe an aside to the substantive premise of the post but it is relevant,anyway i think it only appropriate that the top teams are rewarded with the chance to compete at yet another higher level of the league to compete to determine who is the best team in the league especially given the close nature and inconsistant results of this years premier league and also the fact all matches will be played in neutral grounds.It would not make any sense to have semi-finals in the lower divisions as could you imagine 3rd and 4th place teams playing against those teams that already been promoted,it would be a farce of a competition without RELEVANCE.

mlcollins (Kerry) - Posts: 440 - 10/04/2012 15:56:41    1148107

legendzxix
County: Kerry

"It'd be better to scrap knock-out in the league and make time available for better structures for the championship, one being a point we discussed at length here on the hoganstand before, the Mickey Harte call for a champions round where the 4 provincial champions would play for two semi-final spots with the two defeated sides having to take on only two teams coming through from the qualifiers. Solutions need to be found to giving provincial championships an added edge."

legendzxix,

When you refer to "giving provincial championships an added edge" are you saying they should be treated more favourably than other counties

As it currently stands none of the provincial winners get a second bite at the cherry, but what I think you are saying is that two of the provincial winners should get a second chance, namely the losers of the games played between the four provincial winners. That still leave two teams who wont get a second shot at the title.

How far down the line do you go before your eliminated after only on loss ?. If a provincial final winner loses an All-Ireland final to a team who lost earlier in the completion should they not be entitled to get a second chance also ?.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 10/04/2012 16:05:22    1148119